11th Issue Heroin Discussion v. So I warmed the piss up in my mouth

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ya man a half of the good stuff every single day. and that sucks that the bags are skimped over there..fuck that. but if it was complete fire and u jus needed a lil bit that would be cool



idk what dose im lookin to stabilize at, as ive never been on methadone. and i know that i dont want to be on the done forever, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do
 
The Rock Monster said:
wutsup motherfuckers?!

its been a minute



ive been hangin in there. goin way too hard on the dope, but whats new?..been doin a half a day for at least the last 7 days, which is really fucking expensive. god damn it sooooo much $....................
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U ever watch Californication? The way he says motherfucker is how I imagined you saying your post verbally lol.

Yeah for me its like the past 2 weeks I have been going way too hard too man.. I've been going through my own money then it always seems like on days when I am dead broke my friend wants to cop a shitload and ends up throwing me a bun or two.. I think twice I tried to switch back to bupe, but an opportunity would come up the same day as my transition.. right when I am feeling at my worst- down and horrible dissipated from the withdrawal and shit.

I just feel like I accidently hit the throttle too hard and my dirt-bike got out from under me. Things seemed smooth when I was having like a 1 or 2 day vacation once a month (which was not marked in my calendar but even that became a habit). Needless to say, that didn't last. Only a delusional addict would be able to convince them self that this time would somehow be different than the last. I am starting to realize that having that cushion to fall back on if I "regress" hurting more than helping.

Considering how often I was switching back and forth bupe to dope to bupe, maybe my dependency level is not so much bupe anymore but more H.. considering for the last 2 months I have been cycling like 2-3 days of H use, 1 day nothing, then 3-10 days bupe (feeling like shit half the week essentially). I cringe when i actually quantify my use.. looking back, the past 2 weeks I had two 24-hour periods with no use, and maybe a day or two on bupe..so you figure 10-15 bags a day all those days..and I do 2bag shots..its crazy my veins are not shot yet.
 
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The Rock Monster said:
ya man a half of the good stuff every single day. and that sucks that the bags are skimped over there..fuck that. but if it was complete fire and u jus needed a lil bit that would be cool



idk what dose im lookin to stabilize at, as ive never been on methadone. and i know that i dont want to be on the done forever, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do
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Yea man I was getting bags that were about .1 each this fall and early winter, but the ones I got recently that were smaller got me just as high bag for bag, so no complaints here. The green bags I got on St Pattys day probably weighed maybe 70mg each, but 3 of them had me puking a bit since I was so high, so yea it's cool since it's been fire.
 
Tommyboy said:
Yea man I was getting bags that were about .1 each, and the ones I got recently that were smaller got me just as high bag for bag, so no complaints here. The green bags I got on St Pattys day probably weighed maybe 70mg each, but 3 of them had me puking a bit since I was so high, so yea it's cool since it's been fire.
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3 bags had u puking? u must not be using very much. well thats good, ya get way higher off way less that way
 
The Rock Monster said:
3 bags had u puking? u must not be using very much. well thats good, ya get way higher off way less that way
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I've been taking it easy lately, mostly keeping it to every 3 days, but also this was some fire dope. My friend that cops in Brooklyn uses everyday, and he was banged up from IVing 3 bags, and he was doing 4 bag shots a few months ago, so you can only imagine his tolerance now.
 
Well I got 2 perks and I smoked a quarter of each of them, and blew the rest. If you shave up your pill, put 25% of the powder aside, make your 3 or 4 lines and smoke a little of the powder in between lines, you can keep a nice nod going. Blowing them brings you up and keeps you maintained, smoking a teeny bit every 10 min or so keeps the rush going. It might not last as long as if you blow 100% of the pill, but god, at the peak of the 2 pills I felt as high as I get when I do a bundle to my face. So, whatever. As for talk on dope, I've been getting it from the same guy every 2-3 days. Its usually yellow bags and they SUCK its really tan dope, and the bags spill out WAY less than the white, the white is damn good, off-white powder, OK amount in each bag, I'm really happy with that D I just wish I could know what color bag i'll be getting before going up or handing my money over.. Then, theres the blue bags. The blue bags might be the same D or same cut as the white bags, its off-white powder but the count per bag seems to be a little better, every time I get blue bags in my other colored bundles the blue bags are the good dope thats in the white bags, but there is more of it. I get 2 blue bags with every white bag bundle I get, I get 2 white bags with every yellow bundle I get. Haven't gotten an all blue b yet.. Wonder if this is some kind of system.
 
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So wtf is up with these people smoke pills which are usally made of some type of opiate Salt HCL & I was under the impression you can not smoke salts.... Plus the best way for your body to absorb most drugs is:

1) Crush the pill into a powder & Inject the Pill Via Micron Filter attached to an Needle

2) Plug the Pill, Turn the pill into an Powder and put it in your ass( The closet you get to feel the IV Injecting with injecting yourself with a needle)

3) Crush up the pill, Place the crushed pill into a little tissue and swallow those little parachutes

4) Place the pill or powder Under your tongue and let it absorb through the tongue
 
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SameOldShit101 said:
Well I got 2 perks and I smoked a quarter of each of them, and blew the rest. If you shave up your pill, put 25% of the powder aside, make your 3 or 4 lines and smoke a little of the powder in between lines, you can keep a nice nod going. Blowing them brings you up and keeps you maintained, smoking a teeny bit every 10 min or so keeps the rush going. It might not last as long as if you blow 100% of the pill, but god, at the peak of the 2 pills I felt as high as I get when I do a bundle to my face. So, whatever. As for talk on dope, I've been getting it from the same guy every 2-3 days. Its usually yellow bags and they SUCK its really tan dope, and the bags spill out WAY less than the white, the white is damn good, off-white powder, OK amount in each bag, I'm really happy with that D I just wish I could know what color bag i'll be getting before going up or handing my money over.. Then, theres the blue bags. The blue bags might be the same D or same cut as the white bags, its off-white powder but the count per bag seems to be a little better, every time I get blue bags in my other colored bundles the blue bags are the good dope thats in the white bags, but there is more of it. I get 2 blue bags with every white bag bundle I get, I get 2 white bags with every yellow bundle I get. Haven't gotten an all blue b yet.. Wonder if this is some kind of system.
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Dude, stop going to that source. I don't care if you IV'd the two pills, they still shouldn't feel like a bundle of dope. I'm sure you mean roxi 30's when you say perks, or at least I hope that's what you mean.

You probably haven't gotten an all blue bundle yet because your guy probably has the other color blanks on him, and buys the blue bundle, and then splits it into even more bags. His system seems to be to turn every 2 bags into 3 bags, probably using some and/or cutting the bags along the way.

Unbreakable said:
So wtf is up with these people smoke pills which are usally made of some type of opiate Salt HCL & I was under the impression you can not smoke salts.... Plus the best way for your body to absorb most drugs is:

1) Crush the pill into a powder & Inject the Pill Via Micron Filter attached to an Needle

2) Plug the Pill, Turn the pill into an Powder and put it in your ass( The closet you get to feel the IV Injecting with injecting yourself with a needle)

3) Crush up the pill, Place the crushed pill into a little tissue and swallow those little parachutes

4) Place the pill or powder Under your tongue and let it absorb through the tongue
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Yea man, I just eat pills with oxycodone. I've never bothered with parachuting the 30s because they crush up just fine by biting down on them, so I just do that and swallow them with a glass of water. If I have the time I may crush them up and then just pour the powder into my mouth and wash it down with water, and since I can handle the taste I have never had a reason to wrap it in t.p.
 
Because oral BA of oxy is up to 87% which is higher than its nasal BA, wheras the nasal BA of heroin is higher than its oral BA. I will sometimes eat half and sniff half of the oxy, but I mostly get percocets which I can only eat, and I felt the high way more from just eating them, so now even when I get oxy with no APAP I still mostly just eat it. Eating them lasts way longer than sniffing them, although the peak might be a bit lower, but not enough for me to go back to sniffing. I don't like sniffing all that powder when I can just eat it all in one go.
 
Yeah I guess scientifically thats true, I always thought the peak from nasal roxis was better than from nasal H. You dont nod out but are still really buzzed. Each his own I guess
 
In my honest opinion I would never ever smoke pills to get high... If the BA% was higher if smoked, than by all means I sure would at least give it a shot.... So to me when people are smoking pills they just wind up wasting away a good majority of the drug & the money they spent to get the drug.....

Every drug you do , you should find out which form of taking the drug gives you the Highest BA%.... From Oral swallow, to Place under the tongue, to give yourself a IM shot or even an IV shot, your also welcomed to snort most drugs..... The best way to get the most BA% out of the drug you use it is The NEEDLE First & second place the drug in your rectum
 
Preferred ROA for Various Opiates

Nasal
  • Heroin
  • Opana (oxymorphone)
  • Dilaudid (hydromorphone)

Oral
  • Hydrocodone
  • Oxycodone
  • Methadone
  • Morphine (it's better to plug it but I don't care for it either way)

Sublingual
  • Fentanyl
  • Buprenorphine*

Those are my preferred ROAs for each opiate. I have IV'd heroin (~15x in 4 years), morphine (3x), oxycodone (2x), and buprenorphine (1x), but still prefer the other ROAs. The last time that I IV'd was over a month ago, and I usually only do it if I don't have enough of said drugs with me to get high from other ROAs. I'm probably not going to IV again though since I have cut back a lot since then, so there is really no need to use a needle since I've been getting high as a mofo from sniffing a few bags. Also it's way too dangerous to be messing around with IVing heroin when you don't use as often and have different sources because it's hard to tell how much to use since the quality and tolerance both fluctuate. Lowered tolerance + higher purity = OD.

*I usually only use buprenorphine to keep withdrawals away (a nice buzz is a plus), so I choose the subligual ROA because it works better at keeping withdrawals away for longer. If I were to use it for strictly recreational purposes, I would use the nasal ROA for at least part of the dose.
 
Look, I'm NOT one to veer away from the best ROA and I have done my research. I always either blow or plug my oxycodone pills. (apap or not) Blowing may absorb less into my bstream but the high comes on faster and the ritual of blowing is important to me. I've only smoked oxycodone pills once in my entire life and that was the time I was speaking of. I can promise you ALL that my peak was better than if I had just blown both pills. I am not lying. I also take my daily dose (.5 to 1mg) of suboxone intranasally. Its quicker, hits faster, whatever. If I am screwing my lungs, then tell me now. If you have a legitimate reason for me to stop blowing my suboxone dose each morning then tell me now. (this will prompt me to research into this anyway but if you can make it easier for me, make it easier, I'll appreciate the time saving) As for dope, I always blow, I'll shoot maybe once every 2-3 months, and I do enjoy smoking maybe one out of 10 bags for the quick kick-in I guess. (this is also new to me. and I hear that smoking powder is wasteful too) But I kid you not, smoking oxycodone pills, albeit, very, very bad for your body, DOES produce a faster, more intense high. (that also dissipates quicker than 10m)

As for recent scores: Just picked up a b of some BANGIN bags. These are the best I've ever had. (I just started using d over pills beginning in March) They are white wax paper bags, stamped "DIESEL" with red ink. All I can say is wow. wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. :) Beautiful d. Beautiful count, beautiful off-white/gray color and the fucking bag breaks out to THREE, count em THREE, THREE lines the size of the fucking bags I usually get. This is a different middleman, he charges 2.375 llamas. But jesus christ, 2 bags has me smiling. :) SO happy. My horrible junkie life is now complete and I can finally say I have reached the top of the mountain, and I would be totally FINE quitting after finishing this bundle. Totally fine. (for at LEAST 24 to 30 hours.. maybe 30.5 if I take a warm bath) So, theres my review on white "diesel" bags. Get em while you can because this is some truly fucking dope, dope. THIS is the shit that makes addicts out of strong men. So happy right now I'd share 3 bags with any of you if I could. But I wont. :P
 
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@@sameolshit,

Honestly I will agree with you on one point. Surprisingly I actually did have a stronger/highaer/quicker peak when I smoked a 20mg chunk of an 80mg oc. 20mg insufflated at the time would not have done jack shit..aside from get me off sick. But I remember when I tried smoking the OC I started nodding out which became impossible for me to do on oxycodone. Once I was using over 300mg daily I never could catch a legit nod. I even getting an itchy nose and stuff. Even with that positive experience I have never tried smoking oxy again and don't plan to. First of all it's so disgusting. It tastes GROSS like you lit the end of your bic pen and are puffing away; god only knows what toxins are in those fumes. Secondly if you have a big tolerance to opiates trying to smoke your dose is tedious and time consuming.

The 'higher peak' simply does not warrant using this ROA. The healthiest ROA is obviously oral.. but I sniffed a lot of pills in my lifetime before switching to shooting drugs a long time ago, and I never noticed any damage. That being said, this is a harm reduction forum, and there can be som epretty serious reprecussions from sniffing.

Fuck I typed out this long thing and I looked at the title of this sthread and I am like why are we talkign about smoking oxy in the H discussion lol
 
To make the post that just took me 10min. to write a lot shorter, I wanted to thank everyone here for the information they have provided me. I will probably, (and I say probably hesitantly, because there is a better chance that it is a certainty) save live(s) with the information I've gathered in the little time I've had this new BL account. In the 8 years I've been on these online drug culture websites and forums, I've learned a LOT, to put it lightly, about psychoactive substances. (and I'm not being humble. I'm a fucking walking data-mine, haha) I've learned a lot, but never as fast as what I've learned in the few weeks I've been using this account. I've learned about micron filters. I've learned about the true harm of smoking pills. (before I made this account, I had only assumed it was bad for your lungs. I now know that it can cause severe illness, some similar to emphazima, and it can cause death pretty quickly as well. (I had seen documentaries where the users were smoking up to 10 of these percs or roxies a day, and I had based their "relative" unsafely upon witnessing that. I now know that heating pills in the spoon and shooting is deadly. Before this account, I had thought if anything, this would make things more safe. I WILL relay this to a friend of mine that shoots pills every time he scores them. (a dozen or less times per year) I may, or I will, save my best friends life with this information. Its crazy, how this WWWeb can bring us together, for better or for worse. It can MAKE an addict out of a young boy, but it can also save that young boys life 10 years into the future. So thank you all. I appreciate this, sincerely. *edit* hell yeah I'm fucking high.
 
@sameoldshit: Nobody is arguing that you don't get high from smoking it, it's just wasteful because like you even said, it only lasts for 10 mins. I would rather be really high for 3 hours instead of being really really high for 10 mins. Another reason some of it is wasted is because it melts at too low of a temp since its a salt, so it's being destroyed instead of vaporizing. Also like Swain mentioned, you are breathing in some nasty fumes. I think most of us were turned off by smoking pills when we saw the dude doing it in The OxyContin Express documentary. The risks do not outweigh the benefits.

As for snorting subs, check out this thread about safety while snorting suboxone if you plan on continuing sniffing it.

Personally I would just take it sublingually for maintenance. It seems like you don't want to quit yet, so sniffing the subs probably makes it easier for you to get high later on when you use other opiates since the subs don't last as long when you sniff them. If you really want to quit using other opiates, just take the subs sublingually. I was scripted them for +18 months a while back and I only got high on other opiates about 5 times in that whole time span and I was taking the suboxone sublingually (as directed).

If you don't want to use the safe method of sniffing them which is outlined in the other thread I linked, there is a more efficient way of sniffing powders which is outlined here.
 
@@sameol, I have tghat same prob wqhen I am high.. I just type and type and type lol. But yeah this forum serves it's purpose IMO. Anyone who thinks it doesn't is crazy.

We are kind of the 1st generation of having easy access to this knowledge. Imagine people who are in their 60s-70s now.. when they were getting high all the harmful shit they probably did. They probably would just like mix dope with water and shoot it not even cotton filter. Honestly shooting really is something not to be taken lightly. It is very easy once you get over the hump of learning how to hold/anchor your syringe and also registering. Starting out though you can do some damage if you don't educate your self. Ideally you'd have someon eexperienced there to help you/guide you through it. But personally I say don't shoot at all. I "switched" to shooting and aside from getting a rush it's not all that. Sniffing gets you just as high (once your tolerance kind of levels out) and I thikn you stay high longer than IVing.

I don't know what I woulda done if it wasn't for bluelight. I mean I still made my mistakes and shit drug wise but I was always very safe and educated thanks to this site. If it wasn't for BL I know I surely would have made some mistakes along the way, like taking way too much apap, taking toomuch ecstasy, maintaining on a 32mg bupe dose LOL just to name a few.

I remember my friend who was into dope back when we were in HS and I wasn't into drugs at all. Anyway, when he would "IV" his dope he literally would just jam the needle in and press the plunger down. His tolerance was low enough that this worked..and it worked surprisingly well for him lol.. but when your tolerance is low even a missed shot can fuck you up. And it wasn't like he was IMing or even knew that term or logistics of it. I guess it was like a combo between a muscle shot and sc.. He was skinny.. I mean I guess if you jam it into the right spot and have a long enough tip it could work..but for me I know`100% a 1/2" tip isn't long enough for me to IM..and I am sure he had that or shorter. This is how he thought it worked. In his head he knew you needed a lighter, a dirty old metal spoon, his one and only syringe, and of course the dope.

He was addicted for a few months, went to rehab, relapsed for a few weeks, then detoxed with his parents and came out alive yo. It's been atleast a half decade sense he used any drugs. He is honestly the only person I know in real life that had a legit or semi legit iv dope habit and turned his life around. I think the fact that his problem was brought to his parents attention so early on, it didn't give him time to get horribly mentally addicted. He was definitely phsyically dependent but I know that the first few months along when I started opiates, I could take it or leave it. That feeling \faded.. slowly but surely..slow enough so as to not notice but soon your like FUCK I have no choice.

Unfortunately for me my opaite addiction was forming at a time in my life when I was living alone, flew the coup, and didn't really have any people to call me out on it. Like most addicts.. I hid my problem well.. I think people kidn of knew something was up but would be/or have been blown away to hear iv dope.

@@Tommyboy
When did you get your MOD status back yo?
 
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