110mg of valium doing fuck all should i change to k-pins?

[Anon54]

i take valium about 2-3 a month. ive had 22 5mgs. dont feel hardly anything.

4mg or -kpins/day i think would be a good idea. that equls 80mg diaz but would build up in my body after taking it every day. I have never had w/d from benzos. only very mild from xanax but doesnt even come close to alcohol

is this a REALLY bad idea?

ive had 5mg of zyprexa too.

i actually think it's just as good to have 400mg of codeine. (take me good 120mg of oxy to strart feeling mildly sick & i rarely take it.

6 beers is stronger than 100mg of diaz for sure. i dont get how benzos are so bad.

how long till my tolerance goes down?
The first time i got a high it took me 35mg to get a good effect.

I have generalized anxiety disorder. is there a better benzos for me. ive tried the ADs & Im on APs so ive already tried other avenues

 

[effie]

^ are you looking to get high from them? Or use them for anxiety? You mention generalised anxiety disorder but also say you get a better high off codeine..

I would say it is more that your tolerance is up rather than "benzos are bad", how long have you been on diazepam for? If you're just looking to get high off them then you're heading down a slippery slope, constantly needing higher doses or stronger benzos.. and when you need a medication to treat something, it's never a good idea to use it to get high too (although of course it is natural to want to!)

If it's for your anxiety then I would discuss it with your doctor.. Benzos aren't really a good long term treatment, for the reasons your post illustrates - tolerance goes up, you need higher and higher doses and it will be harder and harder to get the anxiolysis you need, plus much harder to stop yourself from taking them every day all the time. You don't want to end up with a benzo addiction (I presume you're not there yet if you are taking breaks..) - you might not have had WDs yet, but if you end up dependent then you most certainly will do..

It can take a while for tolerance to go down. It varies from person to person..

Have you looked into things like therapy? I don't mean to sound patronising at all but it really can work wonders for anxiety, there are loads of different types, and it sounds like benzos aren't doing the trick here..

There is an anxiety megathread in TDS which might help - there is a link in the directory (TDS directory in my signature)

Good luck

 

[wooger]

Sorry if this is really dumb of me but are you asking whether you should start taking 4mg of clonazepam everyday? or just every couple of weeks?

 

[Anon54]

^^every day. i know i know

yeah i wanna get a little high to be perfectly honest but the 110mg diaz ive had i dont even feel. maybe a minor effect not strong enough to deal with my GAD. so although i love getting high id need like 200mg of something to do that. but ive never takin that much before. ive only really been effected from xanax

 

[Anon54]

I only dose 1-2 times a fornight didnt think that would be enough to build a tolerance i was
i wrong. 8 valiums used to get my feeling alright like a year ago

 

[Anon54]

its actually more like 2-3 times a month. sorry the save in the edit isnt working. i cant understant how tolerance stays around that long

 

[effie]

^ I only take benzos sporadically really, once a week ish but often less and my tolerance has still risen, unfortunately that's the way it goes...

 

[Allein]

I've found even with more than a months break from Diaz within a couple of daily high usages I'm back to needing 60+mgs to get the hit I want.

I have no knowledge of brain chemistry, but I've experienced the same with other drugs I've used long term, some is probably psychological.

I have an "unspecified anxiety disorder" or at least that what on the report along with associated depression, My advice would be to drop the benzos, I'm in a good place at the moment compared to this time last year and start taper from 50mgs on Monday since my use though daily isn't consistent. I don't see benzos as a good long term (more than a few weeks) treatment for anxiety.

I have had great success with CBT but much of that has come from some serious hard work on my part, taking a good long hard look at myself and what I can do to make things better, I'm not preaching here this is from my experience only. Just committing and following through on getting up at 6:30 everyday and walking my dog and then again in the evening has helped no end amongst a whole load of small things. It takes time for these things to work not days more like months, but then if you feel like life's not worth living or are in pain you gotta fight for your right to be at least content.

I guess I should mention I was drinking like a fish daily for a good 2 years before switching to benzos, my tolerance to alcohol seemed to be pretty much limitless, much easier to give up IMO than Benzos thought IMO but mainly because I replaced one with the other but I'd say Benzos are having a much less negative effect on my life and health at least in the short term.

And there the sermon endeth from atm23

 

[Anon54]

well it take 5mg a night of the AP Zyprexa. thats sedating more than 20 valiums.
u think cuz im used to the stronger sedation valium just doesnt cut it anymore.
or should APs actualy potentiate benzos cuz they're antihistamines too?
I took my zyprexa before the valium.
Zyprexa dont even more me tired. Now Seroquel fucking did. might switch back

like i said before vaium is no where near as bad as alcohol.
alcohol would probably give a worse w/d to benzos imo if ya drinking every day/

from the 110mg of diaz tonight i could get calmer off 2-3 beers. but i dont wanna stop when i drink. another symtom of GAD to wanna drink until relaxed

good the save in the eit is working again

well i didnt use benzos for 6 months i think. maye once ot twice cant remember & my tolerance still didnt fuckin go down. hope it idnt perminent.

same problem with oxy. rarely do it. but once ya take a high dose. like 120mg or something even if ya wait a few months things dont change.

no wonder the drs dont like giving it out.

maybe i should have saved opiates for pain. I didnt have opiates for like a year mind u and i did cwe on a pack of panadeine forte (600mg codeine) & it got me feeling really good.
now the cwes i do quite regually only make me feel a little better for 1/2 hr

funny thing is cigarettes, alcohol & coffee are suppose to be addictive meaning ya get a tolerance but they've never stopped working. its only if i drink 2 days in a row the 2nd day it doesnt effect me as much

i hope codeine isnt cross tolerant with valium cuz it goes to the same enylme in ya liver. the P450 of whatever.

 

[Anon54]

save in edit wont work again. someone has to fix that
ive tried GFJ with valium before but only the yellow stuff. dunno if that one works.
they sell a mix of white a pink at the store. might try that an hr before dosing. drink the whole fucking bottle of the disgusting tastking fruit juice

 

[Allein]

^^^

Its working for me, I'm using Windows 7 and IE9 as well as Speckie spell checker

 

[Anon54]

Does diphenhydramine potentiate benzos or does it simply add to the sedation?

 

[kokaino]

It wouldn't matter what you switched to, you'd still need massive doses of the new benzo. It's called tolerance.

 

[donnie080208]

can the OP get a tolerance from once a week, high dose diazepam administration? I am in a similar situation and only dose oncea week , at 35mg prescribed valium? are your pills of the streets where 110mg may be much less?
IMO i just dont think 3 or 4 days a month dosing is enough to get a benzo tolerance?
110MG should be more or less like someone taking it with zero tolerance, cant understand why your not wasted," natuaral "tolerance perhaps?

 

[effie]

Does diphenhydramine potentiate benzos or does it simply add to the sedation?

It inhibits one of the liver enzymes, CYP-2D6, which metabolises a lot of opioids so it genuinely potentiates those, but I don't think it inhibits the main benzo one (CYP-34A) AFAIK.. so just adds to sedation. I could be wrong though

 

[Anon54]

^^does anyone know if antihistamines potentiate benzos?

 

[Oxide]

See effie's above post. They will add to the sedation, that's about it.

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