10mg percocet to help heroin withdrawal

[aBurningFire]

Short n sweet. I been usin bout 3 bags a day of some good. I have about nine 10mg percocets and want to know how much it will help to take 10-20mg a day for the first 4 or so days coming off of dat shit. I can't imagine that it would hurt. My thoughts are that it would help no?








I was plannin on taking 30mg a day for the first 3 days but the feedback i got on that idea was that if i take 30 mg a day for my first 3 days off brown that when i run out of the percs i would be in for some pretty intense withdrawals anyway? that surprised me cuz 30 mg once a day doesnt seem like that much to produce bad withdrawals.... any feedback is appreciated. thanks

 

[Violenza666]

Oddly I don't get dopesick from heroin... I think it's the Opana I am on... if I do smack the next day... nothing.. if anything a runny nose.. that's it.. Opana has the worst WD EVER.. I guess I lucked out on some level.. It's not shitty dope either... It's just weird. I am not complaining about it.

And yes... anything will help the WD even a perc 10.

 

[Tommyboy]

I have tapered off of H using percocets before. I'm not sure how long those 9 will last you though, but yes, they will help you as long as you weren't already almost over withdrawals, in which case you would be prolonging them. Try alternating days at the end, so you take 10mgs every other day after starting at 30mgs and tapering down.

 

[woamotive]

Op- you ever personally gone through an opiate w/d;, or heroin withdrawal for that matter(?) If so, what did you use or how'd it go? If not... I'd just say, in sum:

Yes, they'll help. Any opioid will make the feelings not as horrendous short term, as surface level/face value). I'd use them AS needed. Some people don't have RIDICULOUS H w/d's. Others (myself included) have a horrible time. I recently tried using ~5 vicodin and ~20 percs (+ 3 oxy IR 15s) to taper down w/ the intention to switch to subs and ... it was DAMN hard. Definitely depends on your drug history and a number of variables. Take lope if you have the shiiites. Benzos if that is something you're okay with or if that is a safe option for you. Don't make a (new) habit out of taking benzos though. Take them sparingly, to sleep, for example. Or try Valerian. If percocet can keep your cravings at bay-maybe you could even try Kratom(?)

 

[aBurningFire]

Yeah, my goal is really just to use the percs to kind of "cushion" the fall. I figure that coming off of 3 bags a day and cold turkeying will be absolute hell, so instead of going cold turkey i wanna wait til i feel the withdrawal coming on and use just enough percs to where i'll be feeling "sick" but not feel like i'm dying. So that way i'll have 3 days of feeling crappy but not feeling like i'm "dying." And then after 3 days of using minimal amounts of perc i want to drop off completely and i'm hopin that the withdrawals will be bearable.

Yes, i've been thru opiate withdrawal before. The first time was when i was 15 and i didnteven realize that i was going thru withdrawals. I just knew that i was sick and felt like i was dying and then a few weeks later i realized that the reason i was so sick was cuz i had been using oxycontin for months and then stopped, but i was young and didnt even know what withdrawals were at the time. The next time i went thru them was when i went out of town and didnt realize that i was addicted and then the sickness came on.... But neither of those times did i quit by choice, i had no choice and just had to push thru it and i hadn't been using as long as i have now thsoe time. But, every time that i tried to do it like this and just quit to make my quality of life better i have never been able to push myself thru it. I may sound like a pussy but in the past year to year and a half that ive been using every single day again whenever i tried to quit i only made it into the first day or day 2 of the sickness until i couldnt take it anymore and sold my soul for some money to get right. The last time i tried to quit i got down to using about 1 mg of sub for 5 days before i dropped off and then i made it 72-96 hours since my last dose of sub until i couldnt take it and started using again...

 

[aBurningFire]

Violenza- i dont mean to sound rude, but of course you didnt feel any withdrawals from H if you were using opana. As long as you're using an opiate you wont go into full withdrawals. You may get sick if you're blood plasma levels of opiate are lower than your body is used to, but by replacing one opiate with another you will not feel withdrawals until your opiate receptors lack the amount of opiate that they're used to or until you have no opiates to occupy the receptors at all...... And that is what i'm basing my question on..... i'm hoping that by using the percs i will still have some opiate in my system to occupy my receptors, just not enough to feel good. And im hoping that will allow my body to adjust to lower levels of opiate in my system so that when i stop altogether it wont be as "hard of a fall" if you understand what i mean.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Your logic makes sense, I just have a few concerns given the circumstances:

Percocet has a fairly short half-life, so re-dosing will be an issue to take into consideration.
Having 90mg might not be enough to taper for long enough to make it as comfortable as you're hoping it will.
Percocet will still leave you with W/D symptoms, and aren't terribly enjoyable, to say the least... (I've experienced opiate sickness from a variety of different chems).

My suggestions:

After the percocet taper (with the 90mg), get yourself 8mg of suboxone. You'll be at the point 1-1.5mg will carry you through the day just fine. I got down to .5mg after 4 days from a 60mg/day Roxycodone IR habit. I could have quit at that point, but it's winter and I have bad joints.. shit just hurts w/o something relatively strong to make me feel better.

Benzos: Find something with a long half-life, and use as small of a dose as possible, and only while you NEED them. If you have any kind of anxiety disorder (I do and am prescribed clonazepam - a very effective medication with a rather long half-life), you may find they help with other aspects of life as well. That however would be something to discuss with your doctor; be it a General Practitioner, or a Psychiatrist / Psychologist.

The benzos will take away some of the edge, and actually slightly potentiate the oxy's that you do currently have (and for me it's one of the few things that subs don't block / diminish to a degree).

You should be looking for clonazepam (klonopin) or diazepam (valium). These in particular due to their long half-lives (all around 30 hours or better, as the median value). Removed Xanax due to misinformation. Xanax has a SHORT half-life, NOT long, and won't be as useful in this instance, my mistake and apologies.

Good luck! Happy to answer anything else as best I can. Sorry you've had to deal with some shit just to get a fix.. you'll get past this.

 

[ReversiblePulpitis]

To the OP:
Best of luck and godspeed. Im curious, do you know about how many mg of dope you were doing @ 3 bags a day? Any guess?
Like it was mentioned, you're going to be surprised how quickly that 90mg of percocet will disappear if you tried to use it for anything other than to allow you a few hours of sleep. THe half-life @ 4 hours, and peak plasma at 60 min will have you wishing for more. Be strong, and save it throughout those gut wrenching hours of the day until you're ready to try and get some sleep at the end of what will be very long days ahead. Make sure your colon is good and clean prior to dosing with the percocets to make sure you get optimal gut absorption of the opioid. Constipation never fails to get in the way for me when in need of relief orally.
How about any tramadol? By day 3, 4, 5 - maybe it could help buy you some sleep.

Still to OP but also in regards to what Pjkt2501 said:
You didn't even mention that bupe was at your disposal, however I'd try to start lower than the 8mg that was suggested if possible. Start with 2mg and titrate up. If subs (bupe) is something you can even get, but there again you're messing with now a long-half life dragging out the detox, so better keep any use of this to 7-10 days. I imagine detoxing from 60mg/day to be a cake walk compared to the 3 bag/day of H. I'm not mocking you PJ, but Im shocked you needed 8mg bupe even if for a short time.
Xanax is alprazolam and does not have a long half-life. Quite the contrary. It's actually known for it's short half-life, which is what makes it an excellent option for someone avoiding a drawn-out benzo withdrawal, but can be the cause for the "need" for frequent re-dosing. For some reason I bet the OP knows this already though.

 

[Pjkt2501]

RP: No offense taken mate! We're all here to pitch in advice, including personal anecdotes. All good.

My statement wasn't to eat all 8mg, if you re-read, I suggest starting out w/ no more than 2mg, and working down to .5 within 3-4 days to where you can completely wash your hands of it because such a small blood-plasma concentration will be left and giving only a slight comedown. I have kicked an opiate habit with a single 8mg strip (and the pill ones on other occasions, but the films are easier to cut up into micro-doses) a few times now. Granted I keep coming back, but that's my own choice due to annoyingly low temperatures, Lyme disease, rheumatoid arthritis kicking in very early as a result of the Lyme, and years of playing hockey. Mah joints hurt! But I digress...

You should NOT need all 8mg in one go! An older friend of mine that's heavy into the shooting dope game (I'm needle-shy / read: scared haha) tell me about several friends of his doing ~.5-1g/day kicking their habit completely w/ 24mg of bupe (3 pills or strips) and never relapsing (very! lucky).

I did however just make an assumption that the OP could access buperenorphine, which is a bit foolish, I know. However, I don't know anyone deep in the D-game that DOESN'T know someone at a clinic that isn't following the path they need to follow..

Edit: Regarding the Xanax - that was a true and true mistake on my behalf. You're right - it does have a very SHORT half-life. I'll edit that post for clarity. (Yours is gonna look funky )

 

[blankstaircase]

first of all: i really dont know how to tell how many mg H is. the best i can do is compare it for ya. So, i would compare a single bag of what i've been using to the feeling i get off of about 80mg of oxycodone give or take 10-20mg.
thanks yall. yeah, back in october i had to go out of town while in the middle of a 2-3bag a day habit and i didn't wanna be sick while i was out of town so i bought 8 subs. They eight 8mg subs lasted me 16 days because i was taking 4mg a day and that was more than enough to keep me from being sick and sleeping fine at night. I actually enjoyed it because i felt clearer in my mind and the eighty bucks i used to buy eight subs lasted me 16 days as opposed to spending 100-150 bucks a day on dope. So i continued to take the subs even after i got home and loved how much money i was saving.... however something about the holiday season and the cold (like pjkt) make me crave oxycodone/oxymorphone/and dope so i got off the subs a little over a month ago and started using ALOT of dope and mixing it with other opiates.... but anyway... i kinda fucked up today and ate 6 of my nine percocets along with my last bag of dope. So now i have 3 percs left (i'm pretty sure i have access to more if i can scrape together the money) and i do have 1 single 8mg sub leftover from when i was on subs..... I wanted to stay away from using the sub due to the long halflife becuz i'm so weak willed that the longer i'm waiting for withdrawals to end the more likely i am to go and do some stupid shit to get high and get relief. Thats why i wanted to use the percs, becuz i figured it would cushion (if you will) the hardcore withdrawals from doing 3 bags a day to nothing.
So here's where i'm at now. I wound up getting 3 more bags yesterday and used all three of them in a 8 hour period. This morning i woke up and went out for one more bag, but of course i told myself i needed to get one last good high so i chomped down 6 percs before i hit that bag. Now i have 3 percs left (but i'm pretty sure i can still get 6 more so i think i'll still have 9 of em come tomorrow) and i have 1 single 8mg sub. I really just wanna get through this as quickly (which is why i dont wanna use the sub) and as mildly as possible. It's such ashame that the great feelings that draw us into everyday use of these opies are chaining us down at the same time and we're not even aware of it. God if i just had enough to last my entire life i would be happy.... but if you don't have enough to last you every god damn day of the rest of your life (which most people dont) then you/we are all in for a hell of a sickness when we run out of money for the shit..... So (with the assumption that i can still get nine 10mg percs for when the withdrawal starts tomorrow/ and with the assumption that i can limit myself to 10-20mg only every 16 hours or so) do yall honestly think that i can get through this with only mild withdrawals?
Also, thank yall so much for yalls input/advice I really need to get through this this time.

 

[blankstaircase]

....by the way, i am the op... for some reason it wouldnt let me access my account so i made this one real quick