I have tried a lot of piperazines and i have found that unlike methamphetamine, dexamphet, just amphet which i get no high off just straight control my ADHD. I do get high off piperazines it has been a while but i did have some good experiences with them though a while ago now i just made sure i stay hydrated and vitamined it up before and after.
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1-benzylpiperazine and ADHD
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Fuck all u non-ADHD people most people with ADHD or say they have ADD or ADHD don't over 90% don't have it an the doc says they do that stat is well known. its is like 9/10 are faking it or just have other problems some brought on by drug abuse. Brain damage from meth amphet for example can give symptoms of ADHD when in fact it brain damage. I know dozen of ADHD people who are not ADHD who like and enjoy meth and speed. If you enjoy meth and speed u are not ADHD. its brings an ADHD person down make them quiet, calm, depressed etc.
So many comments and post to much info to reply to ah fuck it its only about BZP and ADHD.
pofacedhoe
Bluelight Crew
the disorder is so subjective its ridiculous and is more based in agents of social control than any desire to help. also pumping kids with stimulants while developing will leave them craving it as an adult.
speed makes people very boring and uncreative (unless their psychotic)
and for the record speed and coke make me calm and definitely boring unless i take heart problem inducing doses
Riemann Zeta
Bluelighter
This is not necessarily true at all. Perhaps extremely high doses lead to stereotypic thought patterns and motor behavior, but moderate doses don't have that same effect. I have taken therapeutic-level doses of dextroamphetamine for years and years and it has not, in any way, turned me into some sort of boring, mindless automaton. It has, however, greatly helped my life, having fantastic anxiolytic effects and cutting through an almost dissociative 'brain fog.'
If anyone is interested, there is a preliminary peer-reviewed study regarding amphetamines and creativity (mind you it is hard to measure creativity empirically):
Farah MJ, Haimm C, Sankoorikal G and Chatterjee A (2008). When we enhance cognition with Adderall, do we sacrifice creativity? A preliminary study. Psychopharmacology. Adv. Online Pub: 10.1007/s00213-008-1369-3.
The authors found that, no, we don't necessarily sacrifice creativity: "Nevertheless, the findings of reliable enhancement effects of Adderall in one task and ability-dependent effects in another task tell us that the answer to the title question is not a simple “yes”. The neuroethical worry that widespread stimulant use could create a general downward shift in the creativity of the population is assuaged by the present results."
But this has greatly veered off the original topic.Last edited:from memories Hunter S Thompson best writings was done on a lot of speed/meth etc. with lots to drink to drink the ping'ing feelings down a balance. he drank alot. Cocaine fuck his creativity and on acid he could never write just draw pictures: i think he wanted to be a photography originally.
ebola?
Bluelight Crew
Your misconception is common. Low doses of stimulants increase top-down attentional faculties for most people.
I'm sorry that you dislike the collected works of Jean Paul Sartre and Sigmund Freud.
pofacedhoe
Bluelight Crew
i can be productive on speed but not very creative-poems become bland and simplistic. its easy to draw for ages but any stimulant can do that. i just find it makes me boring, cocaine even moreso.
maybe it enhances productive work for already interesting individuals but i never found speed freaks had much of interest to say. it was often bland and selfagrandising giberish yabbered in one long sentence. while hunter thompson i like, freud was full of crap even if it did add a lot to psychology (in terms of subconcious ideas) it was a load of sex obsessed crap. i thought freud was a cokehead? and also his obsession with coke lead to his professional downfall when it became illegal as he had sang its praises.
as if i want to bang my mother (who wouldn't deny it!)
dont know who Jean Paul Sartre is so i have no opinion on him yet
this is coming from an ex speed fiend (i loved that shit in the day)Last edited:Really wonderful wonderful posts from Riemann Zeta in this thread, I can only voice my agreement and appreciation.
The topic of creativity and psychostimulants (and psychoactives ... and other things ... in general ...) is incredibly complex. I might write some of my speculations at a later date, though I'm pressed for time right now.
The above poster should stop accepting intellectual shortcuts, that's all I can really say.
...Grue you avatar looks just like a heavy speed, methhead crackhead. So what has this to do with BZP and ADHD?
it changed pages! hate that one page memory i have on boring subject quickly loosing focus as the immediate is boring maybe some piperazines could help me?Have you tried it? Seems that this is something that could be tested in the field, in large part.
I've never had BZP but from all I've heard and read it seems maybe a little too 'dirty' and cranked for regular intellectual (excuse me -- 'inthellecthual') use.
pofacedhoe
Bluelight Crew
what kind of intellectual shortcuts?
as far as generalisations go everyone is an individual but the effects of speed on a person are pretty stereotypic at moderate to high doses and ussually to be around people in this state is boring as they find things more rewarding than they are due to high dopamine levels making everything to some degree exciting. also the kind of sober arrogant edge produced is not very open minded. i was on speed for a long time and i found it made my thinking black and white and i see this in current users. not only that, the high just ain't that great. give me ritalin anyday. not that that is creative either it just feels about ten times cleaner and more euphoric.
