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1.4 butanediol compared to GBL

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2 to 4 ml of 1,4 BDO is the usual dose. I've seen some that only need 1.5ml of 1,4BDO so start low and find your sweet spot. I will say that 1,4BDO is much more consistent than GBL is, so once you find your sweet spot you'll be good to go.
 
The batch? It shouldn't depend on the batch at all; there's no reason to use anything less than 98% pure.

It depends on the person a lot, but the dose is similar. Start at 1.5mL and then try 1.75mL next time (after 1.5 wears off), then 2mL, and so on until you find your sweet spot.

Butanediol may last longer, and if you combine it with alcohol they compete for the same enzyme and the duration of both can be greatly extended. So, don't redose as much and as fast as you would with GBL, take it more slow.
 
Coolio said:
The batch? It shouldn't depend on the batch at all; there's no reason to use anything less than 98% pure.

It depends on the person a lot, but the dose is similar. Start at 1.5mL and then try 1.75mL next time (after 1.5 wears off), then 2mL, and so on until you find your sweet spot.

Butanediol may last longer, and if you combine it with alcohol they compete for the same enzyme and the duration of both can be greatly extended. So, don't redose as much and as fast as you would with GBL, take it more slow.
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yes but some dealers dilute what they sell you. sure we'd all ideally like to have the purest stuff but that's not always the case and when it's diluted with water it isn't exactly dangerous.

I was simply making the point that depending on that factor, dosages can vary greatly.
 
VagabondGE said:
yes but some dealers dilute what they sell you. sure we'd all ideally like to have the purest stuff but that's not always the case and when it's diluted with water it isn't exactly dangerous.

I was simply making the point that depending on that factor, dosages can vary greatly.
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If you've purchased something diluted you might want to just throw it away and not talk to whoever sold it to you ever again... Gross.
 
Coolio said:
If you've purchased something diluted you might want to just throw it away and not talk to whoever sold it to you ever again... Gross.
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Again, ideally yes everyone would love to have undiluted perfect sources but this is usually not the case. And if it is simply diluted, why just throw it away? I fail to see how a batch diluted with water is 'gross'?
 
1,4 BDO is legal in the states... shouldn't have to turn to a street dealer to come across it.

~Winter~
 
I'd be concerned as to the safety of this, nobody really knows anything about the long term effects of this. Erowid talks about this a little bit.
 
QuasiStoned said:
I'd be concerned as to the safety of this, nobody really knows anything about the long term effects of this. Erowid talks about this a little bit.
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What safety concerns do you have regarding 1,4-butanediol and why?

Murple's report in retrospect seem like complete BS - he's the only person to report adverse effects from 1,4-butanediol addiction/abuse that aren't identical to the adverse effects from GBL or GHB addiction. I would question the purity of the product in his case, rather than the safety of the butanediol.
 
VagabondGE said:
Again, ideally yes everyone would love to have undiluted perfect sources but this is usually not the case. And if it is simply diluted, why just throw it away? I fail to see how a batch diluted with water is 'gross'?
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If you can't acquire your drugs in a pure form, or purify them yourself, you should really just not take them. I think this is true about the things traditionally cut with adulterants all the way to something legal and with no reason to be found in diluted form like 1,4-butanediol.

If you are buying this stuff from someone who waters the product down, you're wasting your money and needlessly risking your health. Adulterating drugs is a sure sign of untrustworthiness. Find a way to acquire it from a more legitimate merchant.
 
QuasiStoned said:
I'd be concerned as to the safety of this, nobody really knows anything about the long term effects of this. Erowid talks about this a little bit.
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Unfortunately I can't remember sources so what I say may be innaccurate but I seem to recall reading that it was at least theorized that 1,4B has to go through more processes in your body to be metabolized than GHB or GBL would, which in turn lead them to believe that it could be more toxic to your liver.

I do think some of the danger as written on Erowid is greatly exaggerated though.

To comment on legality, 1,4 BDO is still regulated and watched. You need a 'legitimate' use to be purchasing it from suppliers, so not everyone has immediate untampered access to pure product. Sure people can lie to suppliers and acquire it but a lot of end consumers don't feel like being 'on the map' like that and so get it from someone else who is lying or quasi-lying because they can 'prove' their profession has a legit use for it. Some of these middle-men resell the product untampered, others water it down - same with any drug.

I'm not arguing that you should support people who water down their stuff - For the last time I'm merely saying that IT HAPPENS and thus dosages vary and that's the last I'm saying on the subject. This is a harm reduction forum and the BIGGEST problem with GHB/GBL/1,4 B is that some people assume every time they get it that the dosages are going to be the same. You're arguing for the sake of arguing and it's pointless. I'm not replying to this thread again.
 
The main side effect BDO has is in combination with ethanol. 1,4 BDO and ethanol share the same enzymatic degradation pathway to acetic acid. The enzymatic competition leads to an extended duration of ethanol intoxication mixed with time release GHB.

Overactivity of this pathway leads to liver toxicity via free radicals, whether you drink ethanol, BDO, or both.
 
Coolio said:
The main side effect BDO has is in combination with ethanol. 1,4 BDO and ethanol share the same enzymatic degradation pathway to acetic acid. The enzymatic competition leads to an extended duration of ethanol intoxication mixed with time release GHB.

Overactivity of this pathway leads to liver toxicity via free radicals, whether you drink ethanol, BDO, or both.
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Know I said I wouldn't reply, but wanted to say thanks, I did not know that :-)

Do GHB/GBL not work the same way? I had the impression they didn't and were thus less toxic. I always had a hard time finding real concrete information on whether BDO was potentially more toxic or not, though it has been a while since I've looked heavily into it.
 
VagabondGE said:
Know I said I wouldn't reply, but wanted to say thanks, I did not know that :-)

Do GHB/GBL not work the same way? I had the impression they didn't and were thus less toxic. I always had a hard time finding real concrete information on whether BDO was potentially more toxic or not, though it has been a while since I've looked heavily into it.
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GHB is for all intents and purposes non-toxic. GBL is metabolized to GHB by different enzymes completely, lactamase enzymes.
 
Coolio said:
GHB is for all intents and purposes non-toxic. GBL is metabolized to GHB by different enzymes completely, lactamase enzymes.
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Ok, yeah that was how I had always assumed it, I just didn't really understand the biochemistry behind it. Thanks for the info ;-)
 
Coolio said:
The batch? It shouldn't depend on the batch at all; there's no reason to use anything less than 98% pure.

It depends on the person a lot, but the dose is similar. Start at 1.5mL and then try 1.75mL next time (after 1.5 wears off), then 2mL, and so on until you find your sweet spot.

Butanediol may last longer, and if you combine it with alcohol they compete for the same enzyme and the duration of both can be greatly extended. So, don't redose as much and as fast as you would with GBL, take it more slow.
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This was my first run with BDO and I thought it was a waste of money. I'm more into AAS and AS, not much into recs but I went as far as 4 mls and it made me nauseous. 1-2.5 mls, Nothing. I was disipointed really but can't get any GHB and the sites that sell GBL are a bit sketchy so I got offered a sweet deal but the end product sucked. Wish It were legal for GHB in the US
 
Is "1.4 butanediol" compatible with alcohol?
I know GHB and alcohol shouldn't be taken together.
 
GHB and GBL are roughly the same. Same euphoria, same feeling...

1,4 BDO is just pure shit compared to GHB and GBL. The high 1,4 BDO gives is just shit. It is 2 chemical conversions in the body from GHB, where GBL is one chemical conversion in the body from GHB. You know 1,4 BDO is shit. You can feel how awful the amino acid is compared to the real deal GHB.

Also, Why anyone wants to call these amino acids or amino acid metabolites "scheduled" drugs is retarded.
 
14Bdo is not compatible with alcohol. Since they both compete for the same mechanism to convert, using one delays the action of the other. Gbl and GHB can be used in conjunction with alcohol and they potentiate each other. You do have to be very careful, as this practice is only for the initiated and even then, your risking an overdose.
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