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1-(3,4-methylenedioxy-phenyl)-2-pyrrolidin-1-yl-pentan-1-one

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I've noticed this substance (MDPV) takes on an unpleasant odor once it's wet and apparently begun to break down. This odor reminds me of somewhat of chlorine and gunpowder, with a rotten undertone. Anyone else notice? And any clues as to what it would actually break down into?
 
MDPVagrant said:
I've noticed this substance (MDPV) takes on an unpleasant odor once it's wet and apparently begun to break down. This odor reminds me of somewhat of chlorine and gunpowder, with a rotten undertone. Anyone else notice? And any clues as to what it would actually break down into?
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Are you back to reducing harm on Bluelight?
 
^^ PM if you want answers to questions like that, I'm back to staying on-topic anyway. Anyone know about MDPV breakdown in solution, particularly what the resulting product(s) might be?
 
I wonder what it breaks down into, too. In any case I have seen a brown and very moist batch of this, and I can confirm that it smells chloriny and kind of rotten.
 
MDPVagrant said:
I've noticed this substance (MDPV) takes on an unpleasant odor once it's wet and apparently begun to break down. This odor reminds me of somewhat of chlorine and gunpowder, with a rotten undertone. Anyone else notice? And any clues as to what it would actually break down into?
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The answer to this is actually buried in the big MDPV thread -- it's Pyrrolidine.

If you want to confirm that this is in fact what you're smelling, try dissolving the MDPV in a basic solution. This should cause a very rapid hydrolysis of the MDPV, releasing the pyrrolidine smell all at once. Hugo24 used this method to help confirm the identity of the reported impurity in the '06 batches of MDPV.
 
so, MDPV becomes more and more toxic the longer it sits around (ie the more it breaks down into the pyrrolidin)?

also, would a strong acid (say stomach acid) cause this sort of breakdown as well?
 
Since pyrrolidin is a colourless substance, I assume there must be other impurities as well if the MDPV is so dark. Because I have seen immaculately white MDPV before.
 
raybeez said:
The answer to this is actually buried in the big MDPV thread -- it's Pyrrolidine.

If you want to confirm that this is in fact what you're smelling, try dissolving the MDPV in a basic solution. This should cause a very rapid hydrolysis of the MDPV, releasing the pyrrolidine smell all at once. Hugo24 used this method to help confirm the identity of the reported impurity in the '06 batches of MDPV.
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Ah yes... come to think of it, I've done something similar before (actually, just add baking soda to MDPV already in solution), which did rapidly create the smell. In a somewhat milder form, but nasty nonetheless.

P.S. it's funny that this article mentions a "semen like" odor. I've noticed that from adding baking soda (unless it was actual semen, hard to tell wrt MDPV... LOL) but the odor is much stronger/different when actual breakdown occurs. In any case, pyrrolidine does not appear to be a "safe" substance at all, aside from being organic and somewhat simple in composition.
 
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Ximot said:
it smells chloriny and kind of rotten.
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My guess would have also been something like pyrrolidine..

Does it have a sort of dirty fishy smell to it? Thats pretty characteristic of amines.
 
dirty/fishy? yeah, "semen" fits the bill alright.

Trace amounts of pyrrolidine are found in carrot shoots/leaves and I tend to eat those and feel fine... but I guess that it'd be a lot less than what is found in MDPV.
 
^ Those trace amounts are totally handled by MAO, so you're not actually absorbing any of the pyrr in carrots.

Its been theorized this is the same with oral MDPV and maybe even nasal MDPV...but smoking vaporizes the pyrr (and burns a lot of MDPV), requiring that one use much higher doses of MDPV than the other non-parenteral routes...this results in MAO being overloaded by the pyrr impurity and your body actually absorbing some of it...ie the increased toxicity via smoking MDPV. Or so the theory goes at least.
 
So I finally tried a big dose of this tonight, maybe 6mg intranasal followed by 10mg intranasal over 8 hours, and good Christ, this stuff'll get you spun if you take enough. I can totally see the addictive potential now.
 
^^ yes - unlike some other substances like diphenyl prolinol and methylone, MDPV is not self-limiting. In other words, the more substance ingested, the "higher the high" (as with many street drugs), with no point of diminishing returns with increasing dosage.

P.S. there is of course a limit, but it's way beyond where anyone would want to go.
 
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the original batch of mdpv was the shit. pure white and no organic odour. Now that was some good product. This batch of mdpv just aint the same. does anyone remember the original gear?
 
HHT, i think i got the same shit as you.. not very good hey if so :( Yucky sticky light brown shit. Theres no real sweet spot for it.. 5mg does fuck all, 10mg is good, but when u redose you get bad effects..
 
Wasted_Youth_HHT said:
the original batch of mdpv was the shit. pure white and no organic odour. Now that was some good product. This batch of mdpv just aint the same. does anyone remember the original gear?
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I remember its spot in my little toolbox, from which it hasn't moved in about two years. It was indeed pure white when it was placed there.
 
No idea, it's been vacuum sealed in an envelope since it was purchased.

edit - had to open that package for an unrelated reason, and it is still white as the driven snow
 
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