infinity2k7
Bluelighter
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone's just looked up various MDMA replacements and is ripping off vendors with this one, or just vendors making up shit.
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1-(2,3-dihydro-1-benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine
infinity2k7
Bluelighter
I wouldn't be surprised if someone's just looked up various MDMA replacements and is ripping off vendors with this one, or just vendors making up shit.
Stormin' Norman
Bluelighter
Regarding UK law and "PEA's with divalent substituents on the benzene ring (F-22, 2C-G-x, etc...)"
To reiterate what ex-amine has asked.
Quoting a vendor site promoting "Benzo Fury" AKA 6-(2-aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran or 6-APDB (rewritten to prevent easy source tracing).
The 2001 phenethylamine act doesn't apply because the ring has been substituted by a furan.
F-22 is a dihydrobenzofuran as are 6-APDB and 5-APDB. The 2C-G-x compounds each have a different ring attached to the benzene ring in the same position as the above compunds.
Can anyone with pharmacological knowlege please explain what a divalent substituent is and whether 6-APDB and 5-APDB are illegal under UK law?
greenmeanies
Bluelighter
Jaymuhz, that report is on 5-APDB, while it appears that most vendors are going to stock 6-APDB. the report on 5-APDB says it is lacking the 'dopaminergic edge' and that this 6-APDB compound should bring some of it back, but that's all speculation based on in-vitro studies and binding numbers. remember how poorly these numbers actually translate to enjoyable experiences (MDAI)
regarding the analog law, a divalent substituent is one that forms bonds with two different atoms (compare univalent like the halogens F, Cl, Br, I which can only attach to a single atom). I imagine the divalent clause is explicitly designed to catch ring closures like this one, making it just as illegal as anything else covered in the 2001 UK phen act.
Well MDAI is a selective serotonin releaser on paper and thats just what it does, the fact that MDAI disappointed several people doesnt mean that compounds wich both release serotonin and dopamine are going to be disappointing.
Jaymuhz, that report is on 5-APDB, while it appears that most vendors are going to stock 6-APDB. the report on 5-APDB says it is lacking the 'dopaminergic edge' and that this 6-APDB compound should bring some of it back, but that's all speculation based on in-vitro studies and binding numbers. remember how poorly these numbers actually translate to enjoyable experiences (MDAI)
regarding the analog law, a divalent substituent is one that forms bonds with two different atoms (compare univalent like the halogens F, Cl, Br, I which can only attach to a single atom). I imagine the divalent clause is explicitly designed to catch ring closures like this one, making it just as illegal as anything else covered in the 2001 UK phen act.
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
^ The only thing wrong with MDAI is that the claim that it is non-toxic makes people (myself included) foolishly think that it is safe to redose. As-is, MDAI is a fascinating drug.
Even if it is not neurotoxic in a specific way, something that makes you feel like you're being electrocuted over and over again over several days while extremely depressed somehow doesn't strike me as being "safe".
rickolasnice
Bluelighter
^ Extreme brain zaps or.. ?
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
^ Yes, the brain zaps. See the MDAI thread in PD.
Despite reordering the chemical name, it's really easy to find the source >.>
That vendor also has an image showing the dihydrobenzofuran, while they state that they're selling the benzofuran. So god knows which one they're selling. They've yet to answer an email regarding that. The way they've named it pisses me off as well.
^ The only thing wrong with MDAI is that the claim that it is non-toxic makes people (myself included) foolishly think that it is safe to redose. As-is, MDAI is a fascinating drug.
Even if it is not neurotoxic in a specific way, something that makes you feel like you're being electrocuted over and over again over several days while extremely depressed somehow doesn't strike me as being "safe".
I think the other thing wrong with it is that people expect too much of it, feel that there's soemthing there, but not something as intense as what they were looking for, leading them to take large doses and redose.
AFAIK all the reports of sideeffects like that have been from doses in the >500mg in a day range.
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
^ That is true (about the dosage), however I may note that I am amongst the most vocal of people that MDAI ought to be treated as a thing in itself rather than hoping to find another MDMA/Meph.
azzazza !?
Bluelighter
if one expects to find mdma/meph, one should take mdma/meph. you won't find a substitute for anything. every drug is a thing in itself. i'd even venture to say that this very fact will be the failure of the entire scurrying for a mephedrone replacement. everyone wants to have meph again. people won't be able to experience these new compounds as they are intended to be experienced. the 'this is not meph, i want meph' feeling will keep one from being able to enjoy a substance for what it is.
yetanotherforum
Bluelighter
I can tel you first hand that this RC is very special! i ingested 115mg in a self-made capsule last night and after an hour started to feel very subtle empathic effects, after 1hr 20mins i felt a feeling that i havent felt for 14 years......you will not be able to tell the difference between original MDMA or the doves of the 80's and this divine compound....virtually no psychedelic activity beginning and during the peak, only pure empathy and bliss, with music dramatically hightened to help maintain the blissfull pleasurable experience......think human traffic days revived with a fury! peak effects easily lasting for a good 2+hours with the whole experience lasting about 4-5 hours from a single dose, never felt the need to re-dose as was completely content with how i felt the whole time. nearer to the end (4+ hours) i smoked a couple of spliffs which took me to a mild psychedelic state and definetely complimented this compound. overall experience was fantastic from start to finish.....a legal product with all the beauty of MDMA and even a little something extra to boot.....the next big thing without a doubt, mark my words.
FernandesUK, are you actually David Llewellyn? AKA Vitesse Sky? AKA Invitessimal?
Mods - check his IP against Invitessimal. Just a hunch. ![]()
Either way, 100% vendor.
torturedrainbow
Bluelighter
Christ on a bike, all this speculation is killing me, someone take the shit and do a report. Would be cool if the known vendors on the site would just give out a few free samples to members. Good way of finding out if its up to the job
torturedrainbow
Bluelighter
I have just recieved a small sample in the post. It's an off white, very fine powder.
I will report back when I know more.
Excellent, hurry up
I will guys, I will. Sadly, the missus is coming round tonight and I can't in good faith be fucked up on previously untested research chemicals...
Tomorrow, 100%
I also have some 5-IAI arriving tomorrow.
I'm in deep here people
This shit better be safe.
torturedrainbow
Bluelighter
Little steps mate, better safe than sorry, take it easy. Please don't be reckless, like me.
Question is which do I take first?
Sure as hell not stacking them, the 6-APDB or the 5-IAI assuming it arrives?
It's been speculated that 5-IAI is a MAOI, would it make sense to approach this one first and then follow it 24/48 hours later with the 6-APDB, which on paper at least seems to have a fairly safe profile.