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1:1 combo of meph + M1 = better than ecstasy

3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone is this shit, MDPV, any good? Comparable to ecstasy at all?
 
TheMoney said:
3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone is this shit, MDPV, any good? Comparable to ecstasy at all?
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MDPV is more similar to cocaine or speed, although from what I hear it's not even anything like this and is just really stimulating without any real euphoria. I'd be cautious of a mephedrone and methylone combination, since they both seem to work on serotonin I'd assume that both together is pushing it for neurotoxicity, since both substances could potentailly be neruotoxic.
 
Ive tried this combo. It felt great and defiantly had euphoria equal to MDMA. The whole time it lacked what makes MDMA so great. The euphoria was amazing but there was no empathy and acceptance like on MDMA, it just didn't have MDMA's psychedelic spiritual aspect.

Also the comedown was worse. Ive never had a comedown on MDMA, just a pleasant slowing off effects and very peaceful after glow. Mixing Methylone and Mephedrone made me physically sick for a day and I felt a bit depressed for a few more days.
 
i agree, this combo is pretty damn crazy when on the high, but horrendous for cardio and the comedown is hellish and not worth it at all, smoking bud as well just makes the comedown even worse.
 
i tihnk methylone alone is fucking crazy.
never had meph though, but it sounds more like coke than mdma.

i can honestly say that methylone is VERY comparable to the effects of mdma, except durration.

i parachuted 300mgs of methylone, and every hour after that snorted 100mgs, and let me tell you i was ROLLING like ive never rolled before.
 
I'm intending to mix these two together for an event on NYE- I have tried them both on their own, and I find mephedrone to be extremmmmely happy, perfectly stimulation and quite clear- methylone to me felt exactly like MDMA in every sense, but more more mild and short lived.

The suggested routine was to start with mephedrone, and as I feel it wearing off and want to re-dose, to take the methylone then. My only critique of mephedrone is that the 3-4 hours it's wearing off for afterwards and rather unpleasant. I love that I feel completely healthy and together after it's actually worn off. The methylone "wearing off" or "come down" is actually gentle and pleasant- I'm hoping ending with methylone will make the experience more pleasant, and allow me to sleep.
 
can someone quickly educate me on mephedrone and methylone?
are they similar to MDMA? do they increase your tolerance to MDMA or ruin your breaks?
and from what i've seen, this stuff can be bought over the internet...how legal is it?
 
tom_landers: Methylone and mephedrone are research chemicals, and not legal for consumption. When they are purchased, it is typically made very clear they they are for lab research, or for use on plants only. Methylone (bkMDMA) to my understanding has been around longer than mephedrone.

I've tried both- they are both much gentler feeling on the system than MDMA. I don't think it has any cross tolerance, but people that use them more frequently around MDMA use may feel different (it's been 2 months since I've done mephedrone, 4 since I've done MDMA, and 1 since I tried methylone).

A lot of the appeal is that both of them (especially mephedrone, my fave!) are BETTER than MDMA for those of us who have "lost the magic" or just being using MDMA a long time. A lot of the criticism stems from the lack of data and research on them- but given that they feel gentler, don't result in brain zaps or depression as quickly as MDMA, many feel they are likely to be safer and kinder in the long-term than MDMA.
 
tom landers said:
can someone quickly educate me on mephedrone and methylone?
are they similar to MDMA? do they increase your tolerance to MDMA or ruin your breaks?
and from what i've seen, this stuff can be bought over the internet...how legal is it?
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from what i've read both are unscheduled in the US. Only from one source though, so I would look into it more.

EDIT: Apparently it is illegal. I wish I could get it somehow, sounds great for people who've overused mdma.
 
Bsiren said:
tom_landers: Methylone and mephedrone are research chemicals, and not legal for consumption. When they are purchased, it is typically made very clear they they are for lab research, or for use on plants only. Methylone (bkMDMA) to my understanding has been around longer than mephedrone.
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This is not entirely true. In the US both may be covered under the Federal Analogue Act. The law is so poorly written that there is no way to determine whether or not they are illegal until you are prosecuted. To my knowledge, nobody has ever been prosecuted for methylone or mephedrone possession in the US.

A fair number of states also have analog drug laws on the books. North Carolina's is a word for word quote of the federal act as are most of the other states that I've bothered to look at.

I know that both are specifically illegal in the UK.

It's also important to note that I'm not a lawyer no do I play one on TV.
 
F1n1shed said:
Who cares how you feel, these are all dirtier combo's than just dosing plain mdma. Ew
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Maybe as a combo, but having done bk-mdma a number of times i don't feel like it is dirty at all...

Even going and doing way too much of it, the next day i feel just fine.

The headspace is calm with a nice uplift of positive emotion without being as pushy as MDMA. It feels a lot like MDMA with a bit less empathy. I like it quite a lot. Mostly because i can get high, come down, and feel just fine right after.

It doesn't rape your serotonin, which means that the next day or two i am not left feeling all depressed.

A nice comfortable and calm energy lift with it as well. Its not a fucked up feeling, just a couple cups of coffee combined with happiness and warmth kind of feeling and that is something i can love. Im left feeling like myself, instead of obliterating all of my inhibitions and whatnot. Sometimes its better that i am not rolling balls, often my brain does not censor out some of the things that should be censored and i end up offending someone without ever really meaning to. Bk has me feeling like the same person that i am, only slightly more energetic with lots of nice physical sensations and god music is nice...
 
I agree Jamaica- the methylone experience is altogether less intense than MDMA, but still extremely lovely, and the 3-4 hours after it wears off are actually oddly pleasant, like I just took a small amount of vicodin. The next few days don't feel bad at all, no depression. Mephedrone is my favorite drug, hands down- much more than MDMA. The only down side is that I tend not to sleep on it, and the "it's wearing off" period afterwards is not pleasant, but the day after I feel just great.
 
Geez, why did I have to stumble upon this thread. Now I'm wanting to try not ONE but TWO new drugs. Alas, it will happen.

More posts on feelings please, I'm getting an idea of how to go about these two guys. In the time between the 3rd to last and last posting of this thread I have gone to erowid to read trip reports, and found a test chemical supplier with both in stock. LOL at the internet, so amazing and fun.
 
methylone can be very intense if you take the right dose.

methylone to me feels EXACTLY like mdma, except it only lasts an hour each dose, or less.

i would bomb 250mgs of methylone and in no less than 5 minutes i would be sweating my balls off, chugging water bottles, eyes ALL pupil no iris. best feeling in the world. in this day in age wheere decent mdma pills are hard to come by, methylone is deffinately a better alternative at a better price, with an exceptionally eaaaassyy comedown, and very easy to redose and eventually roll longer than you could with mdma, since methy is easier to redose and seems less neurotoxic.

i have never tried mephedrone though. I would like to hear what mephedrone's effects are compared to mdma, it sounds more like cocaine to me. I'd like to here whether mephedrone falls under the same category feeling of a "roll" like methylone and mdma, or more like a stim like speed or cocaine.
 
Bsiren said:
I'm intending to mix these two together for an event on NYE- I have tried them both on their own, and I find mephedrone to be extremmmmely happy, perfectly stimulation and quite clear- methylone to me felt exactly like MDMA in every sense, but more more mild and short lived.

The suggested routine was to start with mephedrone, and as I feel it wearing off and want to re-dose, to take the methylone then. My only critique of mephedrone is that the 3-4 hours it's wearing off for afterwards and rather unpleasant. I love that I feel completely healthy and together after it's actually worn off. The methylone "wearing off" or "come down" is actually gentle and pleasant- I'm hoping ending with methylone will make the experience more pleasant, and allow me to sleep.
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I used methylone after binging on mephedrone and experiencing the whacked out stimulated as fuck comedown... and to my surprise when the methylone hit, my pulse climbed out of the 140-160s and back down to the 90-100 range and I started into a VERY nice roll and when the methylone ended, the 140s never came back it was more 110-120. Methylone is the perfect outro to the mephedrone intro IMO.
 
Eyes On the Roll said:
never had meph though, but it sounds more like coke than mdma.
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The ONLY thing like coke about mephedrone is possibly the urge to redose in some people. People dose the stuff like coke. You can keep dosing and get an amphetamine / cathinone (if you've ever tried that on its own) buzz going for days at a time. The initial euphoria you can get to last about four redoses (orally.. i find that the tolerance builds more quickly if you snort it) and has the same empathy / euphoria as MDxx.

gman7104 said:
Apparently it is illegal. I wish I could get it somehow, sounds great for people who've overused mdma.
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You were right the first time. 4-mmc / mephedrone and bk-mdma / methylone could both be considered analogues under the Federal Analogues Act, but neither have seen prosecution as such. This is US law, but mephedrone is already illegal in most other countries. Erowid has a fairly up-to-date legal status section on 4-mmc that can be found here:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_methylmethcathinone/4_methylmethcathinone_law.shtml
 
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