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0mg of Buprenorphine (The Underdose Journals)

thedukeofraoul

thedukeofraoul

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So after countless years of opiates, semisynthetic opioids, and synthetic opioids I've decided to the shit up and continue to build my new life with my wife and child (2mos.)

I'm 29 now and started using opiates and opioids (from here on out I'll refer to as Ops) daily at age 16. I was in a horrible wreck in which I broke my sternum, tailbone, nose, right foot and back. I crushed my L3, L4 and L5 vertebrates, so of course with all this horrible damage and it being almost 15yrs ago most doctors were a lot more friendly with their prescription pads. My first Ops to ever try, minus IV morphine in the hospital were Demerol, Oxycodone and Vicodin (for break-through pain.)

Hella combination for a 16yr old pothead who hadn't even drank but maybe 3-5 times so far in his life and after this I was hooked. I wasn't scared to try pills so I moved onto Barbituates, Tranquilizers and Benzodiazepines. The combo of benzos + ops always caused trouble.

So as of tomorrow I'll be out of Buprenorphine and thank God I'll have enough lorazepam to help me go to sleep through most of the withdrawals.

As far as dosing I am stopping at 8/2mg that was taken roughly Q1D (once daily.)


I will be coming back as often as possible to update anyone if interested or to just talk to people on here who've been through it and successfully stopped.

Thanks in advance for all your kind (and hopefully not any unkind) words and advice!


TDOR
 
Wow - that's a terrible injury and a lot to handle. I am so sorry you had to endure that, and then the subsequent addiction. I wish you the best stepping off of the buprenophine. Please keep us updated, and definately let us know if you need support or just need to vent. I wish you the best on your journey!
 
I wish you luck on your journey my friend!
I know the struggle of coming off suboxone, you can do it!
Please keep us updated, much love to you!
 
dukeraoul, that sounds wonderful, I support your decision to stop all the way!! Btw did you know 'Ops' hinder memory formation? You don't want to miss those precious first years of your baby's life! btw how did you heal up after that horrendous injury? I'm no stranger to broken things but what you went through is something else entirely. In my experience (merely a shattered elbow joint at 14), some things take *forever* to heal, in that case after I graduated college before all the nerve damage was gone.

What I'm saying is, hang in there even if you have chronic pain, remissions do occur. The body is a marvelous thing and it's the only one you've got. Treat it well!

And congratulations again on your 2 month old. Boy or Girl?
 
Yeah I'm going to stay strong on this WD. I was only in bup for roughly a month, if that, and it's just a lot to take in at once.

As I look back at day one of no Buprenorphine and the day before only taking half a dose (4/1mg) my body so quickly goes into WD. I should have stayed on Hydromorphone and just withdrawaled from it instead of switch to Bup for a month (give or take) so I'm not really sure but I know I'm tired of being dependent on ops.

@Captain.Heroin when you were IVing Bup how much did you IV? I have a little bit left and I'm thinking I could break the 4/2 down to 1/0.25 per shot, would that help curve WD?
 
dam dude GOOD LUCK; I've been off suboxone for 101 days and feel like absolute death; i can't tell if I'm feeling better or worse lmao...


also dude i would NOT recommend iving bupe even with micron filtering.......

even after a month of sub jumping off at 8mg is way too high a dose... u should've tapered down to at-least .5(or less) before quitting....

also remember only 30% of bupe is absorbed sublingually;

good luck dude; u planning to quit the benzos also?
 
Im in the same boat. I agree that jumping off at 8mg is really tough. I tapered down to .5 and even that was a bitch. The sub detox seems very lengthy... gabapentin really helps with RLS and sleep. Im sure if you were honest with your Doc you could get that as its not scheduled. Clonidine as well for the hot cold stuff. Even curbs anxiety.

Music helps with the emotional distress, let out a good cry. Catharsis at its best. Talk with sober people, those who have gone through it. Meetings can be a good or a bad thing... but that depends on your mindset and intention.

Massage and hot baths or showers helped me most. But thats because I cant take benzos or smoke weed due to U As at IOP.

You can do this!
 
8mg of bupe to jump off of may be too much. This is a medication that needs to be respected more by the prescribing doctors. I would suggest continuing your sub treatment and work on a taper plan. This will save you a lot of problems. I jumped off a few times and each time it was incredibly rough after eight days. Eight days no sleep had me climbing the walls.

Please do not IV your bupe. It is pretty bad on your veins.

You can do this my friend. If I can do it, you can too. If you have any questions feel free to pm me.
 
0.5 mg of SL bupe can be equivalent to an oral dose of morphine in the 30-40 mg range. I would not want to jump off at 40 mg of morphine but thats just me. For others the Suboxone detox is easier. In my experience anything over 30 mg of morphine and the withdrawal will be tough. I like to use morphine equivalents because it helps others understand the potency and is universally used in opiate equivalency charts. Some opiate equivalency charts rate SL buprenorphine as being 80 times more potent than oral morphine in the lower dose ranges. TD bupe is almost equal in potency to TD fent. It's potent to say the least. Most sub doctors completely underestimate it. I believe some lack training in regards to the doses used in chronic pain management and instead only receive the 8 hours of training required to prescribe for opiate replacement therapy. I used to oversee the dispensing of the Butran patches and then I would monitor the clients vitals and behavior after dosing. The patches are dosed at 7.5-20 mcg/hr. Do the math. Belbuca doses start at 75 mcg per SL film and go to around 400 mcg. Belbuca is used for stage 4 cancer patients who require around the clock pain management and are opiate tolerant. A standard dose is around 300 mcg every 12 hours. Props to getting off Suboxone. Let us know how it goes.
 
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Prescottdave said:
0.5 mg of SL bupe can be equivalent to an oral dose of morphine in the 30-40 mg range. I would not want to jump off at 40 mg of morphine but thats just me. For others the Suboxone detox is easier. In my experience anything over 30 mg of morphine and the withdrawal will be tough. I like to use morphine equivalents because it helps others understand the potency and is universally used in opiate equivalency charts. Some opiate equivalency charts rate SL buprenorphine as being 80 times more potent than oral morphine in the lower dose ranges. TD bupe is almost equal in potency to TD fent. It's potent to say the least. Most sub doctors completely underestimate it. I believe some lack training in regards to the doses used in chronic pain management and instead only receive the 8 hours of training required to prescribe for opiate replacement therapy. I used to oversee the dispensing of the Butran patches and then I would monitor the clients vitals and behavior after dosing. The patches are dosed at 7.5-20 mcg/hr. Do the math. Belbuca doses start at 75 mcg per SL film and go to around 400 mcg. Belbuca is used for stage 4 cancer patients who require around the clock pain management and are opiate tolerant. A standard dose is around 300 mcg every 12 hours. Props to getting off Suboxone. Let us know how it goes.
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That is exactly what I mean. Each doctor started me off at sixteen mg a day. That is just way too much.
 
Prescottdave said:
0.5 mg of SL bupe can be equivalent to an oral dose of morphine in the 30-40 mg range. I would not want to jump off at 40 mg of morphine but thats just me. For others the Suboxone detox is easier. In my experience anything over 30 mg of morphine and the withdrawal will be tough. I like to use morphine equivalents because it helps others understand the potency and is universally used in opiate equivalency charts. Some opiate equivalency charts rate SL buprenorphine as being 80 times more potent than oral morphine in the lower dose ranges. TD bupe is almost equal in potency to TD fent. It's potent to say the least. Most sub doctors completely underestimate it. I believe some lack training in regards to the doses used in chronic pain management and instead only receive the 8 hours of training required to prescribe for opiate replacement therapy. I used to oversee the dispensing of the Butran patches and then I would monitor the clients vitals and behavior after dosing. The patches are dosed at 7.5-20 mcg/hr. Do the math. Belbuca doses start at 75 mcg per SL film and go to around 400 mcg. Belbuca is used for stage 4 cancer patients who require around the clock pain management and are opiate tolerant. A standard dose is around 300 mcg every 12 hours. Props to getting off Suboxone. Let us know how it goes.
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manboychef said:
That is exactly what I mean. Each doctor started me off at sixteen mg a day. That is just way too much.
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Doctors also write 75mcg-100mcg fentanyl patches for sickle-cell also. They also write hydromorphone and morphine sulfate. Oddly enough that entire list of drugs are the top 3 prescribed opiates/opioids for sickle-cell and all 3 are definitely in top 5 abused illicit street drugs per opiates/opioids.
 
I wonder if Belbuca would be good for Suboxone, or any dose of buprenorphine > 900 mcg withdrawal. Belbuca comes in dosage from 0.075, 0.150, 0.300, 0.600, 0.750, and 0.900 mg. The problem is that Belbuca (and Butrans) can only be prescribed for pain and not addiction purposes only. Jumping at Subs lowest dose of 2mg is insane to me. I would love to use Belbuca for sub withdrawal.
 
I am currently allowed up to two 450 mcg Belbuca's per day for chronic pain and addiction. I was on two 5.7/1/4 mg Zubsolv per day.

There is not much on BL about Belbuca yet, but I expect that will change. I think it was pretty near perfect for getting down to a lower dose of buprenorphine.

The only problem is I think my doctor is ethically bound to treat me for ORT too on the prior approval so that nullifies my insurance. There is a Belbuca copay card that helps.
 
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I am currently allowed up to two 450 mcg Belbuca's per day for chronic pain and addiction. I was on two 5.7/1/4 mg Zubsolv per day.

There is not much on BL about Belbuca yet, but I expect that will change. I think it was pretty near perfect for getting down to a lower dose of buprenorphine.

The only problem is I think my doctor is ethically bound to treat me for ORT too on the prior approval so that nullifies my insurance. There is a Belbuca copay card that helps.
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Isn't it amazing that the government claims that the opiate epidemic is a scourge and they will do whatever it takes to help the problem, but simply helping pay for ORT (which is a cheap solution that curbs crime and takes money away from black markets) is off the table.
 
manboychef said:
Isn't it amazing that the government claims that the opiate epidemic is a scourge and they will do whatever it takes to help the problem, but simply helping pay for ORT (which is a cheap solution that curbs crime and takes money away from black markets) is off the table.
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Yeah, you would think the government would take it out of the hands of Big Pharma if they seriously wanted to make a difference. Nobody wants to talk much about the costs of not being on ORT for a true addict.
 
manboychef said:
isn't it amazing that the government claims that the opiate epidemic is a scourge and they will do whatever it takes to help the problem, but simply helping pay for ort (which is a cheap solution that curbs crime and takes money away from black markets) is off the table.
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this, dr bills and med prices are fucking amazing in the worst possible ways. . .
 
So I am in the process of tapering my suboxone dose at the moment.

To the original poster, how are you doing, did you succeed?

I am in Australia and when I get to 2mg I am allowed to swap to 0.4mg subutex tabs.
 
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