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a place for people (not fully nude) to celebrate their sexual and gender identities
so straight people who are proud of being born male/female can be part of that, too?
nobody will see them as outsiders?
i get that some people have an issue with public nudity but i also don't think a child will be scarred for life just by seeing a penis (or a vagina or breasts) in public at a pride event.
the thing with children is: monkey sees, monkey does.
 
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and the original comment - "50 year old men flashing their junk to kids" - makes a passive act sound active. i get that some people have an issue with public nudity but i also don't think a child will be scarred for life just by seeing a penis (or a vagina or breasts) in public at a pride event.

Right... not every child exposed to an adult man flashing their genitals will be traumatized.
The vast majority of drunk drivers get home safely.

I guess the better question is, why is homosexuality being so inextricably tied to things like public nudity, fetishism, etc? Most of us just want to live our lives like normal people. Our goal all along was to blend in, not to be "proud".

Yes, at one time I think it was appropriate to have these types of public gatherings to show unity and strength. And to assert our civil liberties. But those days are far behind us. I always thought the point of progress was to actually arrive at progress and then pursue other goals.

At this point, providing exhibitionists, fetishists, and nudists space to flaunt in the name of an entire demographic of people (who are not a monolith ideologically) just seems inappropriate to me. If you want to be a nudist, there are plenty of ways for you to engage in that in designated areas. If you want to do sexually explicit things, there's a time and place for that too. Gay, straight, I don't really care.

Call me old fashioned, I guess.
 
Why would I need or want to do that? Being straight hasn't been historically oppressed
it's okay to be aware of history, but it doesn't have to be part of your life here, today all the time.
and the ones who really have a right to be proud, in every once marginalized group, are those who fought for their rights.
not those who did nothing, or worse - those who were born with those rights.
 
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and the ones who really have a right to be proud, in every once marginalized group, are those who fought for their rights.
not those who did nothing, or worse - those who were born with those rights.

Exactly.

I think it's a natural thing for young people to want to belong to a "struggle". I definitely had that phase. Most people grow out of it eventually though. :shruggies:
 
Why should I care about being proud of it? I didn't do anything, I was born that way and I haven't had to suppress anything out of fear of stigma
 
Why should I care about being proud of it? I didn't do anything, I was born that way and I haven't had to suppress anything out of fear of stigma

Maybe you don't care, that's fine. What if someone else wants to be proud of their heterosexuality? Is that okay with you?

Also there is my previous question: why is oppression a prerequisite for being proud of your identity?
 
Maybe you don't care, that's fine. What if someone else wants to be proud of their heterosexuality? Is that okay with you?
I would think that's genuinely weird but in the end I don't really give a shit tbh
Like wtf are they proud of lol being born?

Also there is my previous question: why is oppression a prerequisite for being proud of your identity?
Because it means you have had to endure all of the various harms that social stigma causes, bring proud of something where you didn't do anything? Didn't endure anything? It just doesn't make sense. Am I proud of having two legs?
 
I would think that's genuinely weird but in the end I don't really give a shit tbh
Like wtf are they proud of lol being born?


Because it means you have had to endure all of the various harms that social stigma causes, bring proud of something where you didn't do anything? Didn't endure anything? It just doesn't make sense. Am I proud of having two legs?

Okay. So what about homosexuals who are lucky and haven't faced any kind of social stigma? Would they be weird to be proud too?
 
Why should I care about being proud of it? I didn't do anything, I was born that way and I haven't had to suppress anything out of fear of stigma
well, lucky you, then.

and though the thing with young people who want to belong is true, i'm a little suspicious of people who haven't lived through something but are fighting a fight that isn't theirs.
 
Okay. So what about homosexuals who are lucky and haven't faced any kind of social stigma? Would they be weird to be proud too?
I would argue that all homosexuals experience some degree of social stigma depending on who knows about their orientation. Keeping that information hidden is an impact of social stigma. Any sort of fear or hesitation on sharing that information is an impact of social stigma

People already assume that others are straight, it is the default and does not need to be shared
 
i'm a little suspicious of people who haven't lived through something but are fighting a fight that isn't theirs

interesting.

broadly speaking, do you believe in equal rights? e.g. if a man has a right to vote, a woman should have the same right to vote? if a same-race couple want to get married, a mixed-race couple should have the same right to be married?

alasdair
 
it is the default and does not need to be shared
like when the default is to have children (which still is), and i'm asked about *my* children and i say: i have none.
that's caused strange reactions in some people, from pitiful to openly hostile.
and it's not that i volunteer this information. it's a question i can't just ignore without being outright impolite.

that compared to the question about a person's sexuality, which might not be asked that often.
or maybe it's a new trend?
 
I would argue that all homosexuals experience some degree of social stigma depending on who knows about their orientation. Keeping that information hidden is an impact of social stigma. Any sort of fear or hesitation on sharing that information is an impact of social stigma

People already assume that others are straight, it is the default and does not need to be shared

I think you know what I'm getting at.

It's a little disingenuous for a gay person in the United States in 2024 to call themselves oppressed. Yet we still have pride events and our own month.

Why can't heterosexuals be proud too?

As prevalent as our issues have been advertised for decades, maybe they feel a bit of social stigma? I'd imagine it could be pretty isolating to be an average straight white male these days. Especially on social media.
 
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