⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[Soso78]

They prob all go through the confused stage though.

 

[Foreigner]

Ohio governor signs executive order banning gender surgeries for minors

Surgeries for minors are rare and are generally not recommended by medical associations, most of which oppose broad bans on transition-related care.

www.nbcnews.com

Thank goodness there is still sanity in some parts of the world.

Teaching children that they are in the wrong body is totally immoral and also non-sensical. You can be the sex that you are and still express any gender roles you want. It seems like the whole notion of "changing your gender" through sex-change surgeries is rooted in sexist stereotypes. If it weren't, then there would be nothing to change. It's why "non-binary" is also BS. For all intents and purposes, there are two sexes and only two sexes. You have the sex that you have and you can't change it, regardless of how you express your personality. I'll never understand how femmy boys and butch girls turned into convincing children that they might "be in the wrong body" (an absurd concept) and that medical intervention is needed. To me this is just straight people trying to make gay and lesbian youth think that their gender non-conforming behaviours mean that they're trans instead of just letting them grow up the exact way that they are. It's gay erasure. We also shouldn't be teaching children that if they're having a hard time in life or don't fully understand what it means to be a boy or a girl, then maybe it's because they're in the wrong body. Stop confusing them.

If sex has nothing to do with gender then changing your body won't affirm gender. Progressives can't have it both ways. You can't change your sex, even if you get surgery. You can cosplay another sex all you want but you'll never be the genuine article. They need to stop lying to children about this. Modern medicine isn't magic.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

For all intents and purposes, there are two sexes and only two sexes.

Yeah, that ain't really the case. Ever heard about intersex persons?

 

[pharaoh]

I think it's common sense we shouldn't descriminate against anyone for their sexual preferrences or a man who wants to dress up as a woman, or vice versa etc. A little compassion for others and their life choices goes a long way. We are all humans.

What concerns me is things like this



7 years in jail now for any parents in Scotland who deny their children gender surgery. Children are impressionable at that age. When i was a kid i wanted to be a cowboy, then a wrestler, then a footballer, then spiderman. But those are just phases, i don't want to be any of those things now. Like thing of all the hormone drugs someone needs to transition, this is going to end in both a phyisical as well as mental health crisis in our children in years to come. As well as parents suffering for trying to do right by their kids.

I mean it is odd, our politicians who have no compassion or empathy whatsoever for people who are homeless, addicts, disabled or anything else, have such an interest in the LGBT community. Seems to be their only interest is likely to be for sinister reasons rather than out of any real care or concern for the people.

its the "culture war" BS perpetuated by the right wing and the result is the so-called progressives capitulating because they don't want to lose votes. totally cynical and full of shit.

 

[Foreigner]

Yeah, that ain't really the case. Ever heard about intersex persons?

Ah yes, the classical rebuttal that gets trotted out every time. Intersex people account for 0.018% of the population. It's very rare, and it's considered a pathology:

How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling - PubMed

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pretty much all humans are either male or female.

My argument still stands, if you'd care to try and tackle it directly.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

"By all intents and purposes, except those"

what if you just admitted that by all intents and purposes two sexes are not enough?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Why is it that we should not include into conversation those one people of 5500 (or however the math goes)?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

also the 0.018 % does not really make sense from many perspectives

"For the diverse array of conditions labeled intersex, the prevalence is estimated to be between 0.02% and 1.7% of the US population, with 1–2 infants per 1,000 receiving surgery annually to normalize genital appearance (6, 7)."

If intersex person prevalence was 0.018 %, why do they do these insane, abusive, involuntary surgeries to so many?

At some point societies people have formed have gone haywire in such a way that we need to do cosmetic surgeries to people who can not consent, just to be able to fit those poor people into stupid mold, check the boxes in their IDs and shit? How is this irrelevant "by all intents and purposes"?

 

[Soso78]

Male
Female
Mental health problems
That’s all there is

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Male
Female
Mental health problems
That’s all there is

You just passed source to research and quote to research implying that is not true? What is wrong with those?

The Erasure of Intersex, Transgender, Nonbinary, and Agender Experiences Through Misuse of Sex and Gender in Health Research

Abstract. Conflation of the terms and concepts of “sex” and “gender” continues to perpetuate the invisibility of sex and gender minorities and obscure info

academic.oup.com

There are literally people who have exceptional set of chromosomes AND COULD EVEN HAVE BOTH DICK AND PUSSY. WHEN THEY ARE BORN.

 

[Soso78]

You just passed source to research and quote to research implying that is not true? What is wrong with those?

The Erasure of Intersex, Transgender, Nonbinary, and Agender Experiences Through Misuse of Sex and Gender in Health Research

Abstract. Conflation of the terms and concepts of “sex” and “gender” continues to perpetuate the invisibility of sex and gender minorities and obscure info

academic.oup.com

There are literally people who have exceptional set of chromosomes AND COULD EVEN HAVE BOTH DICK AND PUSSY. WHEN THEY ARE BORN.

that’s not what’s we’re on about.
Someone with both sets of genitalia aren’t trans are they?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Well, I go by the topic name. And these statements are relevant to trans conversation also.

 

[Soso78]

Ye it says trans and lgbtqia+
What’s the qia ?
They keep adding things.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

i is intersex I think

 

[Soso78]

The b stand for bisexual. Meaning 2 sexes
Saw trans men saying they have periods.
Absolutely delusional

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

The b stand for bisexual. Meaning 2 sexes

apparently I have been checkmated. I don't know. This is so confusing conversation. Why are you confusing me? Now I want pussy next to my dick.

 

[Soso78]

apparently I have been checkmated. I don't know. This is so confusing conversation. Why are you confusing me? Now I want pussy next to my dick.

U was confused before I started talking to u mate
Is there really people with both sets of genitalia or is just a woman with big deformed clit?
Can someone post a pic of someone with a cock balls and pussy please?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I am not going to put live pics here anyway

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Intersex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

very good article

 

[Soso78]

I am not going to put live pics here anyway

Anyone can draw those.