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unodelacosa said:
So just to be clear, you're saying that straight people who accept and are not scared of gay people and trans people are close-minded?
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in clarification, that was not what i said in the slightest, also at the time of my post, you had not posted yours and i did not read yours due to this fact im sure that is understood at this juncture now
 
Las Veghost grower said:
If the situation arose where I had to explain a situation like that then I will, but to just throw it in every singe kids face cause occasionally kids see it is just crazy, kids are to impressionable and we need to be careful what we teach then otherwise you might have a bunch of kids thinking theyr gay or trans when in reality they are just going through growing pains, wait haven’t there been an explosion since it’s become more normalized on tv, hmmnn
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1. No one is "throwing it in every single kid's face". I have no idea what makes you think this. Even if you're exaggerating, that's still way too extreme.
2. No one is so impressionable as to be tricked into thinking they're gay when they're not. This is an irrational fear. You can't make yourself gay anymore than you can make yourself straight. You just are what you are. I know I couldn't be gay; maybe you could, but I don't have that in me.
3. "An explosion since it's become more normalized." Do you have any data to back that up? I'd be interested in seeing that. But my guess is: this is just your own wild speculation and is only a reflection of your unnecessary, irrational fears.

I imagine fewer people are inclined to lie when self-reporting on questions/polls to attempt to determine the exact amount of gay people in the population, which is itself still rising.

No one's going to convert your kid, and again, while kids are impressionable, no one's going to make your kid gay or trans or what have you. But I do hope your kid turns out straight for your sake. You might lose your goddamn mind otherwise, and that kid will have a really rough time coming out if you're still this intolerant by then. What would you do if that happens? Don't you ever worry that trying too hard to stop something will only cause it to happen?

Honestly, I'm not arguing with most of what you're saying. I don't care for drag queen culture and shows like RuPaul's drag race either. I actively ignore this stuff. Also, I don't care for any of "The Real Housewives of [City]" shows and I don't watch them. Or for example, I don't care for R&B music nor am I a country music fan. Accordingly, I don't listen to those kinds of music nor go to concerts featuring those sort of entertainers, ya feel me?

No one is suggesting that we have strangers explain sex to a class of eight year-olds on a pornographic level. In fact, I'm almost certain this is already against the law. Let's be realistic in what we're addressing here. And the idea that someone acting "sassy" and/or effeminate in front of a child could somehow alter anyone's sexual orientation is an illogical, irrational fear spun up in fearful minds. Relax. You're worrying about the wrong stuff that isn't even realistic.
 
unodelacosa said:
1. No one is "throwing it in every single kid's face". I have no idea what makes you think this. Even if you're exaggerating, that's still way too extreme.
2. No one is so impressionable as to be tricked into thinking they're gay when they're not. This is an irrational fear. You can't make yourself gay anymore than you can make yourself straight. You just are what you are. I know I couldn't be gay; maybe you could, but I don't have that in me.
3. "An explosion since it's become more normalized." Do you have any data to back that up? I'd be interested in seeing that. But my guess is: this is just your own wild speculation and is only a reflection of your unnecessary, irrational fears.

I imagine fewer people are inclined to lie when self-reporting on questions/polls to attempt to determine the exact amount of gay people in the population, which is itself still rising.

No one's going to convert your kid, and again, while kids are impressionable, no one's going to make your kid gay or trans or what have you. But I do hope your kid turns out straight for your sake. You might lose your goddamn mind otherwise, and that kid will have a really rough time coming out if you're still this intolerant by then. What would you do if that happens? Don't you ever worry that trying too hard to stop something will only cause it to happen?

Honestly, I'm not arguing with most of what you're saying. I don't care for drag queen culture and shows like RuPaul's drag race either. I actively ignore this stuff. Also, I don't care for any of "The Real Housewives of [City]" shows and I don't watch them. Or for example, I don't care for R&B music nor am I a country music fan. Accordingly, I don't listen to those kinds of music nor go to concerts featuring those sort of entertainers, ya feel me?

No one is suggesting that we have strangers explain sex to a class of eight year-olds on a pornographic level. In fact, I'm almost certain this is already against the law. Let's be realistic in what we're addressing here. And the idea that someone acting "sassy" and/or effeminate in front of a child could somehow alter anyone's sexual orientation is an illogical, irrational fear spun up in fearful minds. Relax. You're worrying about the wrong stuff that isn't even realistic.
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Yea my brother is gay so I have no problems with homosexuality or transgender, but I don’t want that shit force fed to my kid, how adults live their life is adults business, it’s pretty simple…and funnily enough my brother dosent feel the need to tell our 5 year old niece he prefers men, but he’s an actual adult so not surprising :/
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Yea my brother is gay so I have no problems with homosexuality or transgender, but I don’t want that shit force fed to my kid,
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Ok we're on the same page then. Similarly, I'm irked whenever a TV show or a movie forces in the presence of a gay character just to pander and attempt to be “on-trend.” It amounts to tokenism. I don't hold it against gay people, of course, it's just bad writing and obvious pandering.

Las Veghost grower said:
how adults live their life is adults business,
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Right on, totally agreed.

Las Veghost grower said:
and funnily enough my brother dosent feel the need to tell our 5 year old niece he prefers men, but he’s an actual adult so not surprising :/
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He's not the only one. Plenty of people are this way. Don't let a handful of idiotic assholes who don't seem to understand appropriateness make you think everyone who is gay or liberal is automatically just as inappropriate, irritating, and lacking in class and tact.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
But dogs can recognize other dogs through vision? I can accept that they're more reliant on smell and sound, but show them a dog on TV and they'll know...

I can certainly forgive them for it though =D but the premise was that we aren't more conscious than animals
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I wasn't saying dogs are completely blind. They rely on sight for various cues, but their clearest, most accurate sense is smell first and foremost. This is why it's futile attempting to mask a scent from a dog, like when smugglers attempt to wrap some contraband up with something strong smelling. This will never fool a canine.

So it's like if someone is cooking beef stew, right, they're going to smell a composite stew, but they can look into the pot and see beef, carrots, onions, celery and potatoes, though they may have only smelled broth and one or two other things. When a dog looks into the same pot, the dog will see a composite stew but not reliably see all the colors we see, nor identify as many individual shapes. However, the dog will smell each and every item in that stew the way we can see it. The dog smells the beef, carrots, onions, celery and potatoes… plus the salt, pepper, parsely, cumin, and cayenne pepper that was added as well. Also, though dogs fail the mirror self recognition test, they do pass an olfactory-based smell self-recognition test.
 
I know a lot of people that spent most of their lives straight, had numerous kids, some or them married more than once, then "became" gay. They don't refer to themselves as bisexual.

Perhaps some gay people are born gay or perhaps attraction to same sex develops at different ages. Nobody really knows. It doesn't matter anyway. I don't see why it's so important that we are "born this way".

Personally, if it's socially acceptable to have same sex relationships I'm much more likely to experiment. I went to a boy's school. I was a sexually frustrated teenager. I would have happily sucked off my classmates in front of my peers if there were no consequences.

I'm not convinced I was born bisexual. Nor am I convinced that the ancient Greeks were all - somehow - born bisexual.

It seems obvious to me that there is a social component at play. We learn from our environment. If all Disney films were about gay and lesbian princes and princesses, more kids would emulate that behaviour.

I don't have a problem with kids experimenting with the same sex any more than I do kids experimenting with the opposite sex, but I'm not convinced sexuality is innate.
 
unodelacosa said:
No one is suggesting this. You're going overboard with your imagination in an attempt to make what you see as your political/ideological rivals look bad. Describing unnecessary sexual details, sexual kinks and sex positions to children of any age is unequivocally not okay, and I can't think of a good reason why anyone would do this. If this is what you think is being suggested, then that is "creepy and insane", and not at all "normal."

Now let's say your son or daughter has a question one day about why so-and-so in their class has two dads or their friend XYZ has two mommies. I don't think it's gonna fuck up anyone's psyche to explain to them that sometimes people of the same sex date each other and get married, and also it's normal for a child to have different parents or guardians – sometimes there's only one single parent, sometimes a child is adopted and raised by foster parents because something happened to their original parents for whatever reason. All of this is okay and what's really important is love, happiness, and support, which is what family should be there to do: support and help one another. If you can't handle this sort of thing, or you're confused by this subject matter and think everything that makes you slightly uncomfortable is "creepy and insane" then don't have kids. If you already have them, time to grow up and take care of your responsibilities.

To summarize, there are too many different ideas in people's heads of what "talking to children about sex" actually verbally entails. Some people appear to be imagining the most extreme and inappropriate versions of this based on political agendas and absolute nonsense. We're actually on the same page here, let's not spoil that with stupid-ass policial squabbling, especially when you don't even have the right target.
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>Describing unnecessary sexual details, sexual kinks and sex positions to children of any age is unequivocally not okay,


You realize this makes you bigoted chud in the eyes of most super indoctrinated folx?
 
Dropperneck said:
>Describing unnecessary sexual details, sexual kinks and sex positions to children of any age is unequivocally not okay,


You realize this makes you bigoted chud in the eyes of most super indoctrinated folx?
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Do you realize using terms like “chud” and “folx” is immature-sounding, at best?

Also, how would you know, anyway?

For that matter, what exactly does it mean to be “super indoctrinated” and how does that compare to regular indoctrination? And why the unusual spelling of “folks”? I think perhaps you’re imagining an enemy that doesn’t exist and you should learn to listen more to what others have to say. You might be surprised at what you learn.
 
they taught sex ed at year 7 i think, but i went to a super catholic school .

it was cringe at best, otherwise not very helpful beyond hearing about STDs and condoms.

it didn't help me get any in school, so i guess it failed, if the purpose of me learning about sex, is me having sex.

i learnt more about sex from classmates my age and my older brother and his friends.

were they pedos tho? ?? QQQQQQQQQQQ?Q?Q?Q?Q?Q?Q?Q??Q
 
That's really all I remember from sex ed class when I was like 10 or 11 years old in public school. They separated the boys and girls, and then they told us how to check for signs of testicular cancer. Then they told us the proper technique for putting on a condom and how they stop pregnancy and prevent the transmission of STDs, most notably AIDS, which was fucking up people's worlds back then. That was about it. I understand they told the girls how to check for breast cancer and explained to them about how they would be getting their period and what to expect. I believe we had to have our parents sign a permission form and there were maybe 4 kids who didn't participate. No harm, no foul. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
We got the functional deets about sex in primary school back in the '80s. I don't remember anyone taking it seriously, what with kids being kids. But I do hope it saved some from accidentally discovering they were pregnant and not knowing how or why the stork had popped by with a baby.
 
mal3volent said:
do you want me to find the video of the woman on Vice talking about teaching her 5 year old how to masturbate?
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That is child abuse by a parent.

We are talking about a teacher in a classroom educating 12 year olds in safe sex and being accepting of those with different gender identities and sexual orientations.
 
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