⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[Las Veghost grower]

Why can’t we just teach them sexual education without all the degeneracy and ideology? How isnt that the compromise lol

Tbh I’m still not ok with it till she reached 13ish, maybe younger kids do seem to grow up faster these days with the internet n what not, but elementary school it out of the question for me, middle school (6-8) seems appropriate

 

[Las Veghost grower]

My school taught me how to use a condom in 4th grade...

I was taught sex Ed in middle school at some point, but I kept getting kicked out of the class n sent to the office for making too many jokes, plus the teacher was kind of a douche

 

[Droppersneck]

Tbh I’m still not ok with it till she reached 13ish, maybe younger kids do seem to grow up faster these days with the internet n what not, but elementary school it out of the question for me, middle school (6-8) seems appropriate

I was operating under the assumption that like tweenager was where they start teaching this stuff. Young kids don’t need to know about the sexual intricacies of the deviants proposing this hogwash.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I was taught sex Ed in middle school at some point, but I kept getting kicked out of the class n sent to the office for making too many jokes, plus the teacher was kind of a douche

Yeah I specifically remeber the entire class constantly laughing at pictues of penis and vaginas. The teachers were so awkward. I mean hell, its children. They're gonna joke.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Yeah I specifically remeber the entire class constantly laughing at pictues of penis and vaginas. The teachers were so awkward. I mean hell, its children. They're gonna joke.

I remember one time he showed us a pic of a penis with an STD, it’s was all fucked up looking I’m still mentally scared to this day from that sight, but anyway he said something about it and I asked him if he went to the hospital after he took the pic, everyone started cracking up and he absolutely lost his shit, I honestly though he was gonna hit me he had me up against a wall just screaming at me

 

[Neuroborean]

I like to keep things short and sweet. Most people aren’t against lgbt, even among conservatives. Lgbt issues and race being used as an ideology and a way to divide is what annoys us. If you don’t bow down to it’s every tenant and swear your allegiance to the establishment then you are branded anti lgbt. Sort goes with the logic of this classic smuggy.

You're right, and basically, it's that simple.
But regarding trans people it's even simpler:
a woman is a woman and a trans is a trans-woman or trans-man or whatever they want to call it.
A woman and a man that feels he's a woman and do all types of things to look like a woman, it's not the same.

If I feel like a rich guy of the Elites and I try to do my best to dress like a rich guy (like for example stealing clothes of ultra expensive shops) I get and amazing horse and Lamborghini and someone invites me to a perverted party full of rich people.... don't worry, you can fool them once, maybe twice, but you're not rich, nor from the Elite.
If I feel like an ape and I even look a bit like an ape so I just need to waste 400k in plastic surgery to look like an ape, then man, you may success growing yourself some hair and shouting like an ape, you can even be more monkey-like than Tarzan, with some practice on the lianas, but you're not an ape... you're a human pretending you're an ape.

If a trans woman wants to be considered a woman it's ok, but I'll never think he's really a woman and some limits must be implemented according to that (for example: sports or adoptions).

 

[nepalnt21]

Why can’t we just teach them sexual education without all the degeneracy and ideology? How isnt that the compromise lol

what do you even mean? what ideology and degeneracy?

please be specific and detailed.

 

[nepalnt21]

I remember one time he showed us a pic of a penis with an STD, it’s was all fucked up looking I’m still mentally scared to this day from that sight, but anyway he said something about it and I asked him if he went to the hospital after he took the pic, everyone started cracking up and he absolutely lost his shit, I honestly though he was gonna hit me he had me up against a wall just screaming at me

wow, what a loser that guy was hahaha i would have laughed if i was your teacher.

maybe he should be in a padded room rather than a classroom teaching children.

nice one lol, GOTEM!

 

[Las Veghost grower]

wow, what a loser that guy was hahaha i would have laughed if i was your teacher.

maybe he should be in a padded room rather than a classroom teaching children.

nice one lol, GOTEM!

Well he had to deal with a teenage me for a while so I can’t blame him for finally blowing up… I never ratted on him even tho he sent me to the deans office, I think he was expecting a big deal but I showed up to class the next day and he was actually kind of cool after that, he was probably sweating it out wondering if he would lose his job cause he said some shit that would probably get a teacher fired

 

[Droppersneck]

what do you even mean? what ideology and degeneracy?

please be specific and detailed.

Teaching kids under twelve about drag queens, their many genders, sexual preferences/kinks Etc. It Seems super righteous to indoctrinated folx, but to us normies it’s creepy and insane.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Teaching kids under twelve about drag queens, their many genders, sexual preferences/kinks Etc. It Seems super righteous to indoctrinated folx, but to us normies it’s creepy and insane.

It’s just so insane to me that it’s almost like I don’t believe people that think it’s ok to do that even exist, like surly nobody is that…what’s the word, disconnected ? Weird ? I dunno super fucked up we even have to talk about this cause it’s becoming a real issue and to me is just another example of how fucked this world is becoming, so left field

 

[nepalnt21]

are there even classes that teach about peoples' kinks and shit? i mean, is that even an issue? sounds made up.

letting kids know that trans people, gay people, black and white people, tall people, short people exist is not abnormal. i don't think they need (or want, at a young age) the details of sex in terms of what is implied with the kinks and shit (and again, is that even a thing people are trying to teach?), but they should know who exists; hiding facts is not really good for anyone.

trans people exist.

you're a human pretending you're an ape.

minor correction, but we are apes

 

[Neuroborean]

are there even classes that teach about peoples' kinks and shit? i mean, is that even an issue? sounds made up.

letting kids know that trans people, gay people, black and white people, tall people, short people exist is not abnormal. i don't think they need (or want, at a young age) the details of sex in terms of what is implied with the kinks and shit (and again, is that even a thing people are trying to teach?), but they should know who exists; hiding facts is not really good for anyone.

trans people exist.


minor correction, but we are apes

no man, we are not apes, we are on another dimension thanks to our abstract language and self-consciousness, it's an qualitative leap, not a progressive, quantitative one. The grade of complexity of history and culture is not like a more evolved/enhanced termite mound, it's pretty different qualitatively.
That we evolved from apes doesn't qualify ourselves as being apes, if science doesn't want to recognize that (that we are in contact with a different dimension (noosphere)) it's science responsability.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

We're not apes.

 

[Neuroborean]

We're not apes.

There's a lot of "scientists" and "philosophers" that are obsessed with the idea of consciousness, they hate the idea that it makes us clearly different from animals (and I do like a lot animals, I'm vegetarian since 14 years ago, so it's not that I despise them).
Some of them even deny there's something called conscience, for them, not being able to explain it (reductionism) in pure biochemically/materialistic terms must mean it doesn't exist.. (Daniel Dennet, for example).
Or even worse, it's like a net, like a computer. It's kinda absurd since the idea of a "computer", the way we create a computer is using our language, imitating how we think we think. So computers, even if they learn and evolve on their own, will always be based on how we understand our own thinking processes. Trying to turn the tables and saying the opposite (that our brain is a computer) is totally ridiculous, it cannot be more than a bad metaphor.

 

[Ubi Sunt]

Normally I'd take the time to write an elaborate response to point out that transgenderism has been part of human societies for as long as we can check (the native American 'berdache', the middle eastern 'Xanith', Indian 'hijra', native Hawaian 'mahu', etc), and that our lack for it's historical understanding is heavily influenced by the fact the West got bible-thumped for two millennia.

Instead, I'll just share this meme I found today, that captures the lameness of our modern day 'political discourse':

The whole idea that if we don't talk about it, kids wont experience it = bullshit.

Humans already tried that, remember? For centuries society pretended that gays and trans people didn't exist. Society tried to stamp it out, violently. Burn it at the stake and impale it in front of the city gates. Any talk, writing or display of homosexual/trans tendencies were forbidden.

Did it help?

Clearly not otherwise we would not be here, where we are now.

People don't magically 'become LGBTQ' because they are exposed to the label.

Pretending that if you don't talk about LGBTQ, children won't 'become it', is dumb. About as dumb as abstinence based sex-ed.

The existence of the label does not create gays or trans people: they were already there, the label is just the umbrella term to unite under so that society can't keep pretending that they don't exist.

That's why visibility matters.

This post still became way too long. I'll take my rambing ass elsewhere.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

The whole idea that if we don't talk about it, kids wont experience it = bullshit.

All the talk about trans stuff has DEFINITELY contributed to many, many kids experimenting with gender identity. There was a school in Cali IIRC that had over 20% of students identifying as non-binary. Don't tell me that's a historical norm because of "hijra" which are intersex people who occupy a fraction of a percent of the population of India.

@Neuroborean

I'm not convinced that humans are more conscious than all animals. Where's the evidence?

We are more intelligent, but that's a different thing.

You can raise a human like an animal.

 

[Ubi Sunt]

All the talk about trans stuff has DEFINITELY contributed to many, many kids experimenting with gender identity. There was a school in Cali IIRC that had over 20% of students identifying as non-binary. Don't tell me that's a historical norm because of "hijra" which are intersex people who occupy a fraction of a percent of the population of India.

Human sexuality and gender identity are a spectrum. The third gender has already been described going back as far as 2000 BC. Trans people were here before Jesus. Just sayin'.

There are plenty of people in older generations who will fuck their own gender, and still maintain with a straight face that they are, in fact, straight. You can't get them to admit that they're bisexual or gay, and if you would poll them, they would probably NEVER self report as anything other than straight.

That skews statistics.

It's a chicken and egg thing. You think people are experimenting because they are exposed to the concept. I would argue that more people finally feel free to explore their innate tendencies.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

Agree to disagree.

Weird considering how acceptable it is in India you don't see schools with 20% Hijra... Funny that

 

[Ubi Sunt]

Sure.

Just try to keep in mind that it's impossible for us to know what 'percentage' of humanity is supposed to be LGBTQ.

Nearly all statistics we have are self-reported from generations who wont admit they're not straight, while the men are rawbacking on the down-low and the women are eating pussy in college. It's been systematically underreported.

I don't think non-binary or trans would ever be the majority, but it's definitely far more common than we told ourselves up until now. It has been a persistent part of humanity. It's never been a majority but it's always been there. We just ignored it.

As LGBTQ acceptance becomes more widespread, I am certain the percentage will grow until it is a more accurate representation of reality.

I think you might benefit from looking up the difference between correlation and causation. That's where we are disagreeing.