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I've been looking a lot more into DNP lately. It seems like it's not as bad as what people say it is.

Yet I still continue to hear horror stories. A lot of people are attributing Zyzz's death to DNP + Rec drug use.

Crazy that people would need to resort to that stuff.

Isn't rotating Clen and ECA with T3 enough? Maybe tossing in a little GH too if you're advanced?
 
Lol I forgot I posted in that thread.

Cringing at my old posts. I thought I was so smart.


Edit: Lol at people suggesting meth use over DNP. What a train wreck.
 
Renz Envy said:
I've been looking a lot more into DNP lately. It seems like it's not as bad as what people say it is.

Yet I still continue to hear horror stories. A lot of people are attributing Zyzz's death to DNP + Rec drug use.

Crazy that people would need to resort to that stuff.

Isn't rotating Clen and ECA with T3 enough? Maybe tossing in a little GH too if you're advanced?
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Im not a fan of either for general fat loss purposes. yes for getting super shredded where the anti-catabolic properties benefit, but the method of action is not ideal for fat loss and it has more potential to mess with your heart.

T3 and DNP for me are better options, they are classified as more dangerous but I personally disagree. I would rather my thyroid f*ck out on me than my heart.. 1g of T3 makes 40,000 servings of daily adult T3 production, 1g of T3 is not overly expensive. In term of the individual comparisons for fat loss I'm not going to go into detail but I prefer the method of action, feeling of being on either etc

as for DNP, yes it's dangerous but it' dangerous because of how good it is as burning fat.. you will literally uncouple so much energy that you will cook yourself inside out... the problem is people aren't satisfied with dropping 5kgs of almost pure fat in a week or 2.. they want 10kg..15kg, just pushing the envelope unnecessarily and fucking it up for the rest of us.

just to be clear none of these drugs are to be taken lightly, they can all f*ck you up royally, way more than AAS. Do diligence, test them appropriately form your own opinion.. don't just take advice off a message board.

also the majority of people don't even need them, if you're on gear you are probably just lazy with your diet or body comp. 4-5 weeks of heavy bulking(1k-2k over maint) can be mitigated by a week of 200mg DNP. Anybody needing to eat over that, to maximize growth is taking way to much AAS and should save it for down the track.


I wouldn't generally advise DNP on here Renz, but in your case I might be tempted due to your advanced knowledge and current physique...

But as always I would advise caution and suggest you do the 2 weeks, and be satisfied with that...
 
I managed to cut down to ~7% and I just started my bulk.

I'll probably use it when I'm a little more advanced. Right now I have no need for it.

I agree with you, just doing a little research, guys were bumping their dose to 500. The half life is up to three days and the lethal dose can be as little as 1800. So if you do the math, just running it at what people are suggesting is dangerous as hell.
 
I'm with GF on the DNP versus stimulant issue completely.

I'd never advise newbies and numpties to use DNP, but experienced and SENSIBLE people who understand their bodies and appreciate careful dosing would be much better suited to an oxidative uncoupler over a stimulant, especially if they're also using AAS.
 
I just go with good ol starving, yohimbine and ephedrine for now. T3 and clen should be here soon so I'll be able to ramp up this cut and finish my days with a shot of mt2 to really get a good deficit.
 
It's been hard for me to stick to my meal plan the last few days... Yesterday I had a double burger from a greasy hamburger joint, today I had taco bell... Luckily I'm bulking, but my lower ab-baby is starting to come back.


I wonder how good DNP is for pre-contest... That would probably be the only occasion I would ever use it.

Serotonin101 said:
I just go with good ol starving, yohimbine and ephedrine for now. T3 and clen should be here soon so I'll be able to ramp up this cut and finish my days with a shot of mt2 to really get a good deficit.
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I love clen. Hard for me to cycle off of it TBH.
 
DNP is hugely massively overrated. At a manageable dose, it's about as good as a strict diet with regular fatburners IMO. However for diet blasting (2-4 days) it does come into its own.
 
CFC said:
DNP is hugely massively overrated. At a manageable dose, it's about as good as a strict diet with regular fatburners IMO. However for diet blasting (2-4 days) it does come into its own.
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Are you sure you were getting properly dosed/good DNP?

I heard of people saying it's not uncommon to lose a pound of fat a day on it. Although, most people report running it at about 500mg
 
I've heard the hunger from dnp usage blows t3 out of the water and most have to resort to amphetamine/heavy stimulant abuse to keep the ravenous appetite at bay or they out eat their dose of dnp. I also wouldn't use it if living/working in a hot climate. May be nice for a fast mid winter cut. Save on your power bill at the same time.
 
Renz Envy said:
Are you sure you were getting properly dosed/good DNP?

I heard of people saying it's not uncommon to lose a pound of fat a day on it. Although, most people report running it at about 500mg
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'Most people' are usually 17 year old online gurus who haven't actually used what they're talking about and repeat the most extreme cases they heard of as solid fact ;-)

On the other hand I've been using it for over 10 years and can't say I've ever seen these miraculous losses, once you take into account the large initial glycogen/water loss. Nor have any of the others I've cycled on it.

Which is not to say it's rubbish, far from it. It's just not quite the hyped miracle wonder drug you tend to read about.
 
Serotonin101 said:
I've heard the hunger from dnp usage blows t3 out of the water and most have to resort to amphetamine/heavy stimulant abuse to keep the ravenous appetite at bay or they out eat their dose of dnp. I also wouldn't use it if living/working in a hot climate. May be nice for a fast mid winter cut. Save on your power bill at the same time.
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It can make you very hungry. On the other hand it can also completely kill your apetite via the lethargy and exhaustion. You definitely don't need to resort to amphetamines though! Regular stimulants can be very handy (essential?) helping with the lethargy. And the most extreme heat tends to occur only if you're stupid enough to keep eating excessive carbs (or take too high a dose). I tend to fast or low-carb with it nowadays which massively reduces the heat output but also ups the lethargy. Swings and roundabouts.
 
CFC said:
I tend to fast or low-carb with it nowadays which massively reduces the heat output but also ups the lethargy. Swings and roundabouts.
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Is this work regards to using DNP? I was under the impression carbs with required for DNP to actually work effectively.
 
CFC said:
'Most people' are usually 17 year old online gurus who haven't actually used what they're talking about and repeat the most extreme cases they heard of as solid fact ;-)

On the other hand I've been using it for over 10 years and can't say I've ever seen these miraculous losses, once you take into account the large initial glycogen/water loss. Nor have any of the others I've cycled on it.

Which is not to say it's rubbish, far from it. It's just not quite the hyped miracle wonder drug you tend to read about.
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I suppose I should try it myself then.
 
trozzle said:
Is this work regards to using DNP? I was under the impression carbs with required for DNP to actually work effectively.
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Ah, DNP myth #39 lol. Brotelligence says you need more carbs because you get hotter shortly after you eat them on DNP. More heat = more effective, right?

Obviously the answer is no.

You don't need carbs for DNP to work 'more'. It's going to work regardless of what you eat! It's simply the fact that when you eat a load of carbs there's more immediately available (and easily processed) substrate to be wasted as heat via attempts at Kreb's/ATP production.

At the end of the day, the point of taking DNP is not to pointlessly burn up carbs you've just eaten and release heat, it's to burn up FAT that's stored in your body.

The more carbs you eat, the less effective your DNP, since you're reducing the need for endogenous lipolysis to provide substrate for the mitochondria, and reducing liver gluconeogenesis (which is also more energetically wasteful and therefore desirable).

And the more carbs you eat, the more pointlessly extreme bodyheat, sweating, and general unpleasantness you produce for absolutely no reason at all. Well, except you will be less lethargic because you'll actually have more ATP, but at the expense of reducing fat burning.
 
Renz Envy said:
I suppose I should try it myself then.
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Ha! I wasn't trying to push DNP lol. I'm usually doing the opposite, as it's not really that nice to use and not as amazing as bros hype it to be.

I do think any bodybuilder who's been at it for quite a few years and is no stranger to PEDs should give most things a try at some point though, purely for informational purposes of course ;-)
 
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