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Thanks for the detailed response, MrSpeedy!

By cruise I literally mean cruise, as in taking the same dose of test and only test for the duration of one's life. Basically TRT, but I hate that term. 9/10 guys on TRT don't need it, they just want a shortcut that will make them feel better (more manly) instead of actually improving their lifestyle (eating and exercising).

I have read enough about steroids to know that everyone responds differently and that bloodwork is pretty much essential. So I guess an AI is a maybe, and sides can vary, but will most likely be minor if one doesn't go crazy? Got it... almost. I'm actually going to go read about this some more right now. Reading is fun.

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-Guido- said:
200mg Primobolan Acetate ED
150mg Trenbolone Aceate ED
100mg Dihydroboldenone ED
100mg Anavar ED
50mg Miotolan ED
20mg Methylhydroxynadrolone ED
50mg Desoxytestosterone Aceate ED
50mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate ED
50mg Formestane ED
50mg Testolactone ED
5iu Serostim ED
150mg IGF-1 LR3 ED

It would be expensive as shit but I would only have to worry about occasional Tren cough and Trensomnia. The gains from the injectables would would be quality lean muscle The orals I would be using would have little effect on my lipid profile and the Miotolan would actually lower cholesterol. The rare and exotic anti-estrogens I would use would stimulate IGF-1 levels and raise testosterone levels.

Currently I am running:

100mg Trenbolone Acetate ED
300mg Testosterone Blend (4 long esters) EW
800mg Equipoise EW
50mg Desoxytestosteorne Acetate ED
50mg Stanazol ED
10mg Superdrol ED
25mg Exemestane EOD
50mcg T3 ED

I'm switching to this stack in a couple weeks:

100mg Desoxytestosterone Acetate ED
300mg Testosterone Blend (4 long esters) EW
500mg Nandrolone Decanoate EW
50mg Trenbolone Acetate ED
25mg Anadrol ED
50mcg T3 ED
25mg Exemestane EOD

Then for summer:

800mg Equipoise EW
100mg Trenbolone Acetate ED
150mg Testosterone Blend (4 long esters) EW
50mg Stanazol ED
30mg Superdrol ED
15mg Exemestane EOD
50mcg Clenbuterol ED
62.5mg Dyazide (Hydrochlorothiazide 25mg/Triamterene 37.5mg) ED
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Kinda put my 0.4ml Test to shame.....Lol
 
SirTophamHat said:
Thanks for the detailed response, MrSpeedy!

By cruise I literally mean cruise, as in taking the same dose of test and only test for the duration of one's life. Basically TRT, but I hate that term. 9/10 guys on TRT don't need it, they just want a shortcut that will make them feel better (more manly) instead of actually improving their lifestyle (eating and exercising).

I have read enough about steroids to know that everyone responds differently and that bloodwork is pretty much essential. So I guess an AI is a maybe, and sides can vary, but will most likely be minor if one doesn't go crazy? Got it... almost. I'm actually going to go read about this some more right now. Reading is fun.

Cheers
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Cruise is meant to be an almost TRT dose about 125mg/week for most people (size dependant)..... But if your wanting just TRT not muscle retention you could get away with less... TRT is meant to replicate natural levels, therefore an AI shouldn't be needed, neither should hCG... Regular blood tests should keep you informed of any imbalance of Estrogen, but rather than jump on an AI you might be best lowering the dose..!!
 
Genetic Freak said:
Cruise is meant to be an almost TRT dose about 125mg/week for most people (size dependant)..... But if your wanting just TRT not muscle retention you could get away with less... TRT is meant to replicate natural levels, therefore an AI shouldn't be needed, neither should hCG... Regular blood tests should keep you informed of any imbalance of Estrogen, but rather than jump on an AI you might be best lowering the dose..!!
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Thanks for the clarification on terms, GF. I am not really a part of the gear world so I never knew the exact meaning of cruise. The dose range I was thinking of was 250-350ish per week. I don't know how much injections affect free test levels, but I know that regular (bound?) test levels in adult men top out around 800mg-1g, right? You make a good point about lowering the dose rather than adding a new drug should an unwanted side appear.
 
Genetic Freak said:
Kinda put my 0.4ml Test to shame.....Lol
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Don't feel that way. Believe it or not what I am running and planning on running is small time compared to the more advanced bodybuilders but it works for me. The gains are steady, lean, and dry and that's what I like.
 
black53 said:
How are the methylhydroxynadrolone and desoxytestosterone? Have you ever tried dimethylnandrolone and does it really give huge strength gains?
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Methylhydroxynadrolone is very anabolic but the gains come on very slow and they are very lean. Desoxytestosterone Acetate is like a combination of Masteron, Equipoise, and Test Prop. I like it but you can't buy it in finished vials. You have to buy the raws and brew it yourself and the stuff is a pain in the dick to brew.

Dimethylnandrolone I have not tried but it does give very huge strength gains. Not much is known about it other than that it has a rather unfavorable effect on prolactin and progesterone and is very toxic. Being that it's pretty new and hasn't been widely tested I would be leery of running it.
 
SirTophamHat said:
Thanks for the clarification on terms, GF. I am not really a part of the gear world so I never knew the exact meaning of cruise. The dose range I was thinking of was 250-350ish per week. I don't know how much injections affect free test levels, but I know that regular (bound?) test levels in adult men top out around 800mg-1g, right? You make a good point about lowering the dose rather than adding a new drug should an unwanted side appear.
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Well typically when someone says they blast and cruise more often than not they are crusing at higher than TRT levels and sometimes with low dose of other compounds it's just a high cruise dose, whereas some people who blast and cruise may just blast and cruise at a TRT dose that puts them at say just above natural but not really supraphysiological... then theres those who are just on TRT and throw in a blast here and there.
 
Well anything can be confusing at first, I went from knowing nothing to knowing a solid amount, yet I don't claim to be a know it all I still learn each day.

It being an underground thing of bodybuilding doesnt help no.
 
>The dose range I was thinking of was 250-350ish per week.
If you're going to be cruising at 250mg per week (which is what lots of people do) you'll probably need to donate blood because your rbc may get a bit too high.

>Dimethylnandrolone I have not tried but it does give very huge strength gains. Not much is known about it other than that it has a rather unfavorable effect on prolactin and progesterone and is very toxic. Being that it's pretty new and hasn't been widely tested I would be leery of running it.
Thanks, I asked because I read some guys log and he reported huge strength gains in a few day (enough that he tore his lat doing rows). But then there are the same kind of claims about methyltren which I've tried once (injectable version, 1mg per day for 20 days) and it wasn't anything special. Of course it could have been underdosed/fake, but everything else from the same source/producer was always fine, so who knows.
 
black53 said:
>The dose range I was thinking of was 250-350ish per week.
If you're going to be cruising at 250mg per week (which is what lots of people do) you'll probably need to donate blood because your rbc may get a bit too high.
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If we are talking about TRT as advised by medical professionals: For replacement in the hypogonadal male, 50-400 mg should be administrated every two to four weeks.

I would have thought a cruise dose is size dependant on the individual.. IE: just enough to hold onto lean body-mass gained on blast, but low enough to allow blood markers to return to normal.. Somewhere between 125-250mg is generally advised dependant on lean body-mass...(there will be a difference in cruise dose between a 75kg & 130kg individual).... I've cruised on about 150-200mg for about 5 years with blasts in-between, I remain about 210lbs on cruise give or take a lb or two...

I am preferential to allowing the body some break from supra-physiological doses of hormones, therefore once health markers have returned to normal I won't jump back on blast preferring some time elapse of relative normality prior to re-blasting... I appreciate everyone wants to get back on the juice as soon as possible..... My hypothesis is the longer I cruise and give my body a break, the more I may get out of the blast..... Your thoughts Pls....!!!
 
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Yes, but lets be real, most people doing blast&cruise (that I've heard/read) cruise at 250mg test per week. Which is higher than physiological but low enough that it shouldn't fuck with anything except RBC which can be solved by a blood donation.

Personally I thing 125mg test 125mg mast would be even better because you wouldn't need any ais (125mg test not requiring any for most people anyway and mast being a weak anti e).

As far as actual trt goes I think that the newest studies are recommending lower doses injected more frequently and even in some cases subq instead of im because that gives more stable hormone levels and less side effects.
 
black53 said:
Yes, but lets be real, most people doing blast&cruise (that I've heard/read) cruise at 250mg test per week. Which is higher than physiological but low enough that it shouldn't fuck with anything except RBC which can be solved by a blood donation.

Personally I thing 125mg test 125mg mast would be even better because you wouldn't need any ais (125mg test not requiring any for most people anyway and mast being a weak anti e).

As far as actual trt goes I think that the newest studies are recommending lower doses injected more frequently and even in some cases subq instead of im because that gives more stable hormone levels and less side effects.
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Always wondered would donating blood be an issue to the recipient if on supra-physiological doses of AAS..?

Interesting regarding sub-Q I've been reading about it recently, not what you read in the old text books eh'...
 
I don't think the hormone levels would matter, even if you were on 1g of tren the amount in half a liter of your blood would be minimal, not enough to affect even a baby, let alone a grown man/woman.

I think all the old studies were done when needles/syringes were intended to be sterilized and reused multiple times, now with tiny 31g needles/syringes intended for one time use...
Test c/e can be injected subq (0.5ml max, otherwise you risk a sterile abscess, but that's more than enough for trt doses), release is slower, but again that's what you want for trt.
 
I can't reply to posts...... Anybody else experiencing this with the new site..?? Stupid question if you can't answer..Lol
 
I don't think the hormone levels would matter, even if you were on 1g of tren the amount in half a liter of your blood would be minimal, not enough to affect even a baby, let alone a grown man/woman.

I think all the old studies were done when needles/syringes were intended to be sterilized and reused multiple times, now with tiny 31g needles/syringes intended for one time use...
Test c/e can be injected subq (0.5ml max, otherwise you risk a sterile abscess, but that's more than enough for trt doses), release is slower, but again that's what you want for trt.
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This is what I have been under the impression of. Say you were on 1G of tren, half a liter of blood and not all that tren is just sitting in your blood, a lot of it will be attached to receptors. From what I've read, they also filter out a lot of the stuff because its the RBC that they want.
 
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