‘Smack’ paid for by your tax

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Is this for real? WTF.............

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article856412.ece

HARDENED drug addicts will be given free heroin to inject under Government plans – with the taxpayer picking up the bill.

The worst junkies will be able to take the Class A drug – commonly known as smack – at their local treatment centre.

Several pilot schemes have already been launched to try out the idea – part of a ten-year strategy which was unveiled yesterday by ministers.

But Tories slammed the proposals.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: “This is a white flag approach. By simply giving addicts drugs, the Government is betraying to a life of addiction the people in our society who so desperately need our help.”

Mr Davis said ministers should support abstinence-based schemes – where addicts are encouraged to stop taking drugs altogether. The Department of Health said last night the scheme would be for only the most hardened drug-takers.

A spokeswoman said it would target those who were not being helped by methadone – a heroin-substitute given to thousands of addicts.

Flash

The strategy spells out a raft of other proposals, including powers for cops to seize drug dealers’ flash cars and TVs when they are arrested.

Under current rules, possessions can be taken only when they are convicted – which gives the criminals time to hide or get rid of their ill-gotten gains.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said: “Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.” Grandparents of kids whose mums and dads are addicts will be given extra help to raise the kids while the parents get help to kick their habit.

Druggies could also lose some benefits if they refuse to sign up to treatment programmes.

A Department of Health spokeswoman said giving addicts free heroin to inject would help “stabilise” their lives and stop them committing crime to feed their habit.

The new strategy also calls for better drug education for kids.

Children’s minister Kevin Brennan said they should be told about the danger of prescription drugs at home from the age of four or five.

Ministers will also look again at what age primary pupils should be taught about illegal drugs.

There will also be more drug screening of passengers at foreign airports who are booked on UK-bound flights.
 
It seems like a lot of countries are considering giving out heroin to addicts. (Not that the idea is anything new...)


If that would only happen here...
 
The only thing that seems retarded is the antidrug lectures to 4 and 5 year olds. That's way before they're going to start using.

make messages topical.

in this case it's "don't put glue in your friends hair"

which I actually did when I was in kindergarten. Kept it a secret for years.
 
wicked, now alls i need to do is move to britain, relapse harder then ever and life will be grand
 
I get more and more pissed off at what america's become everytime i see things like this, great read though so thanks for the post. Personally, i think drug distribution centers should be placed through out the world. Anyone can go pick up their wares & that would kill cartels & stop the spread of the "disease". Their would be no black market so no "cool illegal drugs" image can be played off & the % of people addicted would most likely fall with each passing year, regulated & all the good stuff. I do believe many others probably thought about this so i am not trying to say its MY IDEA ONLY! But perhaps a shared vision that one day may become a reality.
 
I know by giving it out for free it would reduce crime a little but for a junkie to get clean isn't a big part of it that its tough to get money and do the lifestyle to get the drug?

This will just enable a junky to stay that way forever. Granted theres no time period they can get it for free. But i guess there is.
 
getreal, you're going to pay those taxes anyways, just be glad you're not paying that same amount to put those people in prison over and over again where they'll never have a good life
 
captainballs said:
getreal, you're going to pay those taxes anyways, just be glad you're not paying that same amount to put those people in prison over and over again where they'll never have a good life
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l0l why should they have a good time? There doing nothing productive for the community. Why should they be able to do something that makes them feel great for free? At least by them going through the legal system its provides jobs for people who man up and earn a living for their family.
 
Doing something productive for the community?

Look, we don't have libertarian societies who don't have to pay taxes yet. What we have is Scandinavian socialism and American capitalism as the two ends of the spectrum. That's it. One thing that both of these variations have to accept is people who, for one reason or another, are too defeated mentally/physically to really add anything to society. These people aren't out there shooting heroin and having fun, they're suffering with an addiction that basically destroys them. Telling them to man up and go work in an office oversimplifies the massive degrees of defeat these people have endured.

I don't feel bad about these people having a place to stay and be as healthy as they can be. Even selfishly, your country, which you can consider your neighborhood, is much nicer without these people running around hurting other people because of their addictions or going to jail and being miserable for the same price as treatment.
 
^Ding, Ding! Also, there are a fair number of ppl out there that become addicts because they have nothing to offer society. Being essentially worthless, because you are too old, too fat, too sick, too black, too held back by your past, too far out in the middle of nowhere, too poor to get anywhere, etc. That's depressing man! Drugs are an easy way to feel better!

We are going to just have to face that not everyone in society is going to be able to contribute as much as everyone else. What do you say to someone who takes care of their kids, or maybe makes enough to squeeze by by taking care of some other ppl's. Sure, they don't pay taxes, there isn't enough to even bother with taxing them for.

Communism failed because it expected everyone to contribute. (OK, sure, among other factors)

Pure capitalism will fail too because it expects everyone to take care of themselves, and there's just too many other factors.
 
captainballs said:
Doing something productive for the community?

Look, we don't have libertarian societies who don't have to pay taxes yet. What we have is Scandinavian socialism and American capitalism as the two ends of the spectrum. That's it. One thing that both of these variations have to accept is people who, for one reason or another, are too defeated mentally/physically to really add anything to society. These people aren't out there shooting heroin and having fun, they're suffering with an addiction that basically destroys them. Telling them to man up and go work in an office oversimplifies the massive degrees of defeat these people have endured.
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If you go through this forum you will see many numb nuts saying things like "Yea i want to try every drug and see what the highs are like, thats just me man".

In reality we all would like to feel these highs but you have to man up and learn that you can't feel these highs (most of us) or there will be problems. Nowadays theres too much knowledge for most to be experimenting with these harder drugs. If you become addicted and are having trouble with heroin then theres alot of blame on yourself.

I never chose to get wasted and feel great on heroin to escape my problems. So an addict who is thrown in jail has now got the opportunity to get clean and man up. We can't hold their hands and give them alittle room to go play in while we deal with the daily grind and pay the bill.
 
In a drunken society it is bigoted to denounce the heroin junky. A drug that allows you to feel okay even when everything around you isn't; it allows you to escape your problems, if only for a short while, and reflect on the moment. It also has the ability to take over your life and make you a slave to it, and you can spend your every waking moment revolving around the drug. Sound like something familiar, legal and accepted?

It's time to start looking at these two things as the same thing. When alcohol was illegal people were getting sick and dropping dead from bootleg moonshine. When are we going to say enough is enough and stop discriminating between two similar evils? We can slow the spread of disease, we can dramatically lower crime rates, we can save billions of tax money per year just by repealing one bad policy.

Whether or not people can legally obtain it the working man is still going to be looked down upon for using dope. When someone has obligations, be it to his family or his landlord, they will be ostracized for failing to meet those obligations whether it be because of gambling, alcoholism or a heroin habit. It is these obligations that will continue to keep the country drug-free, not prohibition enforced with violence and incarceration. And if someone is on drugs yet still meet these obligations - so what? Who are we to judge the junky because he is selfish when he is successfully supporting 4 other people? The logic is so flawed in this country and it makes me sick. Of course there will be consequences of using drugs - they are consequences that are made up and enforced by the people who run this country, not consequences of drug use themselves.
 
^ Right on, and I should like to add that in my own personal experience, alcohol is far more potent, addicting and debilitating a drug than any opiate, even heroin.

...Incidentally I am also reminded of how my gf would say that guys who are always telling ppl to "man up" are ususally little boys themselves, as she puts it. ;)
 
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o an addict who is thrown in jail has now got the opportunity to get clean and man up.
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I really think this view is simplistic and cruel. Have you ever been really addicted to a drug and tried to "man up?" Try taking something legal like xanax that your doctor prescribes to you for anxiety, and then almost dying from the withdrawals, and then listen to someone self-righteous convince a judge that you need to be thrown in jail when you start supplementing your supply with xanax from the streets. Heroin is only different because it's illegal. Like Nickatina said, it's bigoted to feel self-righteous about heroin addicts. Gimme a break!

And mulberryman, my uncle said the same thing about alcohol and he's a serious heroin addict. If you have the gene, you're fucked!
 
Some junkies don't want to get clean... Until they want to...

Just like the alcoholic, who's allowed to feed his addiction legally, why is the heroin addict different?

Oh cause a "junkie" goes out and robs and steals and commits crime to support his habit, and whatever else you heard about on TV... What about the drunk driver who wipes out 2 teenagers who happen to be in the car driving to their senior prom? I haven't seen any signs up accusing heroin addicts of doing it, yet alcohol remains legal...

That whole "Drug dealer" image that one of you talked about drives me crazy. For all the street gangs out there being empowered to commit crimes, and buy guns, and "own" street corners, isn't it time to take all that power and crime away, and allow people to make their choices and live their lives safely?

And to be really ignorant.... Most heroin addicts run into a money problem before it truly is a "drug problem" hence the peddy crimes and lack of stability in their lives...
 
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