Opioids Can anyone compare mgm-15 to 7oh-mytraginine?

[izo]

Hi,
Question is in the thread title. Ive heard that its rather similar to kratom powder. Is it True?

 

[LoveTractor]

7oh is a very short acting partial mu opioid receptor agonist, compulsive redosing, nasty fast setting withdrawals, costly, not an opoid purists DOC.

MGM-15 feels closer to a full mu agonist and delta agonist. It is extremely potent if sourced well. It has mimicked effects of IV diacetylmorphine for me at times. Seriously. But it's hard on my body, the next day is shit for me, dope never hung me over unless I mixed it.

W/ds from both are a unique hell,

There's many threads here about them. See mine about the unique inability of buprenorphine to not affect cravings for either.

Best left alone. They're dead enders for all but the most bullshit tolerant, occasional users. Daily use at any $ cost is in my opinion barely sustainable.

MGM-15 8 - 10 hrs active
7oh 2 - 4 hours MAX, compulsive redosing is extremely common.

Think... you don't need those monkeys but if you do you will learn a unique hell has come upon you.

 

[izo]

What is a common Dose of mgm-15 for an opioid naive person?

 

[puke]

7oh is a very short acting partial mu opioid receptor agonist, compulsive redosing, nasty fast setting withdrawals, costly, not an opoid purists DOC.

MGM-15 feels closer to a full mu agonist and delta agonist. It is extremely potent if sourced well. It has mimicked effects of IV diacetylmorphine for me at times. Seriously. But it's hard on my body, the next day is shit for me, dope never hung me over unless I mixed it.

W/ds from both are a unique hell,

There's many threads here about them. See mine about the unique inability of buprenorphine to not affect cravings for either.

Best left alone. They're dead enders for all but the most bullshit tolerant, occasional users. Daily use at any $ cost is in my opinion barely sustainable.

MGM-15 8 - 10 hrs active
7oh 2 - 4 hours MAX, compulsive redosing is extremely common.

Think... you don't need those monkeys but if you do you will learn a unique hell has come upon you.

Thanks for posting this, I've been slowly tapering and when I really get into the wds and not dosing when I start feeling like that I can only make it to about 1pm before I have to take a smal dose which is a 12mg tablet for me, the best I can do is only taking 2 tablets a day which are 12mg a tab. Pretty worried about when it gets to the point of it being officially banned and I have no choice, I know I won't get back into H or trying to find out where to buy 7oh blackmarket I'll just have to deal without having it however I'm gonna do that without offing myself but think I'll manage.

 

[LoveTractor]

A good dose with no tolerance for 7oh is 5 to 10-mg. Many products are under-dosed but some are accurate but none in my experience are precise.

For MGM I wouldn't use it unless tolerant and experienced with opioids, my guess is it's about 2 to 4x as potent as oxycodone by weight. 10 genuine mg should plaster anyone w/o a tolerance for 10 hours and it probably won't be entirely pleasant.

These are odd compounds, OD using them solo is highly unlikely but the effects can be off putting to those who enjoy morphine based opiates/semi-synthetics.

 

[chippermonk]

Seems like it's a somewhat moot subject since both are illegal to sell. I would guess that they aren't ever going to be a widely produced illegal products once the present stash is used up. The process is not as cheap and easy as fentanyl, at least under circumstances of illegality, I don't believe. The advantage they had before was that they were legal to produce, sell, and buy. Cartels aren't going to switch to them.
Am I wrong?

 

[CarryBagMan]

Weird as a non-tolerant person, I just found 7-OH to be -extremely- long lasting, at least 12 hours. And that was at half a dose which is 30mg.

 

[LoveTractor]

I can see getting longer out of 7oh if not tolerant but it may have had mitragynine or one of the other alkaloids, pseudo or MGM in it. Use it for a few weeks and the magic wears off and you're needing it several doses a day, waking at night in a sweat to re-dose.

Consider your experience as one of the better and in my opinion do not get a habit with it.

7oh is not yet scheduled at the federal level in the U.S. Mid-November at the earliest. I urge everyone to steer clear but the truth is it's a relatively safe opioid. The w/ds and availability can make getting off it hellish.

 

[Pinksparkle]

I'm about 90lbs (soaking wet) and 5ft "tall" and I can smoke rock. I can (since the beginning) smoke so much. It seems I have a natural tolerance to many types of "libations" does anyone have any thoughts as to why?

 

[CarryBagMan]

I'm about 90lbs (soaking wet) and 5ft "tall" and I can smoke rock. I can (since the beginning) smoke so much. It seems I have a natural tolerance to many types of "libations" does anyone have any thoughts as to why?

Saying you have a "natural tolerance" says to me you aren't very sensitive to anything in particular and so you can keep on doing that thing for awhile and be fine.

There are also people who are "too sensitive" in a sense, where one hit, one toke, one half of one Valium spins them out.

In my own personal obversations there are certain drugs that retain the magic for me a lot longer than in other people. There were certain stimulants where I could keep it at a very normal dosage forever and never had to increase. Eventually I had too, but it took a lot longer than I ever thought it would. Don't know why, my hunch stimulants can do that for some people. LSD also. (But I've never really heard of anyone "building a tolerance" to LSD because it's unlikely someone doses every day.)