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Tryptamines 4-OH-MET Question

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KattyKorner

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I have ordered two of doses of 4-OH-MET from a well known supplier. Not my first rodeo by far, but my partner's first.

21 mg of metocin each dose, the website claims about equivalent to 4 gram shrooms

My question is, since my partner is on an SSRI, do you think this will be enough to get at least some effects?

I am aware ssris mute the effects. For some it does nothing, for some it dulls the effects, and for some it doesnt affect anything.

I guess I just want opinions on what is most likely, a lower "equivalent level" trip, like a 2g? Or still solid effects.
 
So the metocin comes in a gel cap, hard to change the dosage.

Any thoughts on how to make the dosage maybe more able to be spread out?

If I decide to go change the dosing, I am thinking I can just plunk it into a known amount of hot water, drinking maybe a little more than half, say 60%, then in an hour drinking the rest.

However, I am thinking my spouse will have dulled effects from the 40mg Celexa she takes. So I'm still debating how to go about that.
 
I'd always suggest a full titration. There is no way to predict if or how muted her effects are and how sensitive she is to it. Better to start with an underwhelming than overwhelming experience. This is why it pays off to have more than two doses, and ideally in a form that can be freely dosed on your own. Does it come as powder in the gel cap? If so, it is easily dividable. Note that 4-HO-tryptamines unfortunately do not keep too well in volumetric solution, freezing may help.
 
arrall said:
this. 21mg is quite a high dose. I would start with 5-10mg.
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Concur.
If she is a lightweight, 5.
A heavyweight, 10.
If a lightweight takes 10 ~~200mics cid eq
So guage appropriately
Edit: in my experienced opinion females do not require as large of a dose, a rule of thumb, so tend to the lighter side for them based on how much they weigh
 
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In my experience and understanding, it should not cause any problems to take 21 mgs on an ssri. One of my friends who was on effexor tried many 4-sub tryptamines I gave him and seemed to require a larger dose than normal. He would often double dose the capsules I prepared that were already on the higher side of the standard dose spectrum. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I don't know all the variables but I would think that 21 mgs should be fine. Metocin is very forgiving even at extremely high doses so the probability a badtrip are very very low under 25-30 mgs.
 
Sansert said:
Ltns. You have never fooled me.
Back on point, here's the thing.
You are a male, needing to get past yourself.
Females do not have that issue.
A lighter dose for them they would
Be quite content and happy with such.
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What does 'ltns' mean?
What does this person's gender have to do with anything?
 
It's hard to say what effect the SSRI would have, I tend to think that it's better to be off SSRIs before taking psychedelics, the whole experience is muted and there can be extra risks in that people will take more to compensate, but it's possible to take too much. Of course the reason for taking the SSRIs is often not solved quickly so this can mean waiting a long time to trip. I took about a year off tripping to sort my depression and get off Sertraline before tripping.

Imo tripping on SSRIs is a bit of a waste of drugs.

Metocin is quite forgiving and shorter lasting than many psychedelics but 21mg to a newbie could still be a lot, although I doubt it would be the same as 4g of mushrooms. Best to start with a low dose of maybe 10mg first time, and then try more next time if suitable.
 
I appreciate all the replies.

Not that I'm some sort of moderator, but I'd also appreciate it if we kept things focused on harm reduction and the topic at hand, and that's all I'll say.

I am just sort of stuck on dosing. I dont know how to accommodate the ssri effects, and it's impossible to know.

Issue is the metocin is in a gel cap. So I think I will empty them into a liquid and go from there, just dose that way. Probably take half, and maybe my partner with ssri take their half, and wait an hour and see how things are cooking. If they need more, they can talk their half and maybe some of mine
 
Don't bother with psychedelics on an SSRI. I did that once (with precisely 4-HO-MET actually) and i got only dysphoric effects. I believe nothing good will come from that, no matter how you compensate with dosage.

As for general dosage, i think your shrooms comparison is about right. 21 mg is quite a big dose, but nothing outrageous. 4mg was barely threshold for me. Maybe something like 10-15mg could be good to test the waters.
 
Some people find some psychedelics helpful even on some SSRIs. It depends on your wife, how long she has taken it, her personal preferences, the psychedelic, etc.

The harm reduction answer is to start in the 10-15 mg range and work up from there.

And make sure she wants to do it and it is not you imposing your view onto her that she needs to try a psychedelic. Not implying that you are doing that, but ideally she should do her own research and come to her own conclusions.
 
xdrc said:
Some people find some psychedelics helpful even on some SSRIs. It depends on your wife, how long she has taken it, her personal preferences, the psychedelic, etc.

The harm reduction answer is to start in the 10-15 mg range and work up from there.

And make sure she wants to do it and it is not you imposing your view onto her that she needs to try a psychedelic. Not implying that you are doing that, but ideally she should do her own research and come to her own conclusions.
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I double checked with her, just to be safe.

Saying, roughly "I dont want to push this on you if you dont want to do it, or only are saying yes because of me"

She confirmed that she wanted to do it of her own volition, and was happy she has the opportunity, as no one has ever wanted to do so with her.

Im thinking we will put the gel caps in hot water, not too hot, let them split, and drink half, then take the other half in an hour or so if necessary
 
KattyKorner said:
Im thinking we will put the gel caps in hot water, not too hot, let them split, and drink half, then take the other half in an hour or so if necessary
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In my experience, half-dissolved gelcaps are very sticky and gooey and much of the powder may get caught in the goo. Instead, I would suggest trying to open them. With some caps, you can simply pop the end off, but if it's sealed, then perhaps it can be (carefully) cut open and the contents poured into liquid. Hopefully any fillers that may be present dissolve cleanly and/or aren't too gummy in water, but it's tough to say what might happen.

Good luck!
 
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It’s rather clean the 4ho-met. Much like psilocin but I like it a Bit more. Good stuff. The 4aco-met I found to be too bland, not that great.
 
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