EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[PtahTek]

arms to feel like a couple of fortnights in a bad balloon

got me ascratcin my noggin
familiar with balloons. even get balloon headed when i take phenibut but thatsa different story.
will keep this in mind, though, as i really do not have an opt out now do i?

 

[Bleaney]

Fucking Hell!

One pill from a batch of Alissa Clonazepam I sent off to Wedinos has recently been published with the test result of "no active ingredient found" .

100 pills in that batch too . To complicate matters, another single pill from a different box / batch of Alissa, from the same vendor, tested fine a few weeks earlier.

Without further testing, I have no way of knowing if it's just one dud pill, or if it's the whole blister of 25, or the whole box of 100!! Or if it's just a few random dud pills - best case scenario?. Perhaps the press had ran out of the main ingredient before production could stop. Who knows? And my confidence in the other batch has been dented now too, so they'll also need more testing .

If I'm very lucky, it might have been just that one pill that was off, although that seems unlikely. Or there might have been an error in the testing.

Gonna have to work something out, sending off several more samples from different blisters and different boxes, to give me a better idea of where things stand, now that uncertainty has been thrown into the question, about the quality and provenance of these Alissas, where after the first result I was hoping that the next tests were just formalities.

Sadly, not so.

This might be the first time that I've seen that one good result for a particular brand, from a particular vendor, does not necessarily mean that all repeat orders of the same will continue to be good. Which is why I continue getting every single benzo order tested. As much of a total ball ache and time sink as it is, it is still totally worthwhile. I'd actually say that it's essential these days tbh.

I think I'm gonna have to start giving myself time limits to get each Wedinos form completed, sample attached, envelope addressed, sealed, and ready to be posted. The whole process currently seems to be taking me far too long.

Timing myself in the shower deffo worked with cutting the time those take me, and hopefully I can do the same with the Wedinos forms. Unfortunately, it's looking likely that I'm going to be using them a lot more over the coming weeks.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Fucking Hell!

One pill from a batch of Alissa Clonazepam I sent off to Wedinos has recently been published with the test result of "no active ingredient found" .

100 pills in that batch too . To complicate matters, another single pill from a different box / batch of Alissa, from the same vendor, tested fine a few weeks earlier.

Without further testing, I have no way of knowing if it's just one dud pill, or if it's the whole blister of 25, or the whole box of 100!! And my confidence in the other batch has been dented now too, so they'll also need more testing .

If I'm very lucky, it might have been just that one pill that was off, although that seems unlikely. Or there might have been an error in the testing.

Gonna have to work something out, sending off several more samples from different blisters and different boxes, to give me a better idea of where things stand, now that uncertainty has been thrown into the question, about the quality and provenance of these Alissas, where after the first result I was hoping that the next tests were just formalities.

Sadly, not so.

This might be the first time that I've seen that one good result for a particular brand, from a particular vendor, does not necessarily mean that all repeat orders of the same will continue to be good. Which is why I continue getting every single benzo order tested. As much of a total ball ache and time sink as it is, it is still totally worthwhile. I'd actually say that it's essential these days tbh.

I think I'm gonna have to start giving myself time limits to get each Wedinos form completed, sample attached, envelope addressed, sealed, and ready to be posted. The whole process currently seems to be taking me far too long.

Timing myself in the shower deffo worked with cutting the time those take me, and hopefully I can do the same with the Wedinos forms. Unfortunately, it's looking likely that I'm going to be using them more and more.

awww man, that is absolutely gutting to get. Because you know 'hey, it might be active. it might be a dud. it might be something else..' too and ya can't do that with every pill! Even reagent testing, you'd be testing half to pill just to see if any activity.
So Avoid Alissa Clonazepam would ya say?

I got stuck with 100 pregabs there, that were all good up until these new ones called 'nebigesic', that are copies of nevigesic ones, and quite rubbish. I took an one of the old pregacare brand vs them, and was F'd out of my tree from the pregacare - like i was pregab naive or something. Either way, pure rubbish.
Avoid 'Nebigesic' pregabs too.
Feel like yelling at him: Just 'Indian pregabs' is anything, just F'ING SAY THE BRAND, YA DIPSTICK!

 

[Bleaney]

So Avoid Alissa Clonazepam would ya say?

Too early to say imo. I've only had 2 tests so far; one fine and one bad.

After a few more tests, I should be in a better position to say, with any luck!

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Too early to say imo. I've only had 2 tests so far; one fine and one bad.

After a few more tests, I should be in a better position to say, with any luck!

'Results inconclusive, Further testing must be done' as we used to say :D

 

[Bleaney]

Exactly.

I'll need to try to find out what each batch / strip of 25 are testing as.

But even if you get a mixed batch with some testing inactive and some good, i dont think all is lost. You can just grind them all down, get the average weight of a pill, and take things from there, by weighing out the powered weight of a single pill. It's not like some are showing as containing bad shit, just that they have no active ingredient identified.

I certainly cant afford to bin a whole 100 because of one bad result, where others were good. Might have just been a manufacturing error or. / bad 'quality control.

It will be a total fucking laborious pain in the arse, grinding them down to powder. Mind you, I should have a much improved strong hand / grip / wrist strength after grinding down hundreds of those fuckers in those £3 pill crusher things.

<<Desperately looking for the tiniest glimmer of silver lining amongst the clouds.

 

[Bicycle Tripper]

It will be a total fucking laborious pain in the arse, grinding them down to powder.

Do you have a blender? I've used a nutri bullet type thing with a bunch of pills in before, worked well with codeine/ibuprofen and they are hard little pills.

 

[Bleaney]

Great idea!

Why didn't I think of that.

Anyway yeah, I do have a blender , which I think it could work on pills, although it might be struggling to deal with relatively small volumes, so you'd have to shake and tilt it, and all of that stuff.

The alternative for me, for example, was previously sandwiching those 8-500 Co-Codamols between sheets of newspaper and towels and breaking them up with a hammer, using as much manual dexterity and appropriate force as I could manage. (I'm no master craftsman thats for sure although I can get most of the essential around the house basics done (Thanks to my Dad teaching me how to deal with basic practicalities, and all the little tips and knacks that he passed on. Not everyone is so fortunate to have a Dad like that.. Thanks Dad! )and the pill crushing by this method worked just fine for me . It mostly worked just fine, and is a much better method for large pills, or if you have a lot of them to crush.

I guess that method might now be considered primitive, but it does the job for no cost.. Although already I think that using a blender would be far better option for blending a lot of pills. It's self evident.

Hopefully the future test results will allow me to narrow things down, and work out what's going n with each batch and strip, if I need to go to such extreme measures. But for a strip of 25, I think it;'s worth it. Each strip may need 2 tests, to be sure. This is gonna be a big task. If I didn't have ajob taking up nearly ALL of my mental energy, I'd have much more time and ability to sort such things out, as promptly as possible.)

Then I cold just blend up any mixes of inactive and pills tested as clonaz as the primary ingredient, and I'd soon narrow it down as to the strength of the mix, and the dose needed, just by the effects I feel.

There is a danger of using this whole option as a way to increase my dose further, when there is no need. I'll have to try hard t remember to guard against that.

 

[Bicycle Tripper]

I spent a lot of time putting co-codamol in a sandwich bag and bashing them up until powdered, took a while though. Wish I'd thought of blending them sooner, was very quick. Just make sure the blender is very dry and clean I guess, then the powder wont stick to the sides.

Hope you can sort those pills out, but if they are too suspicious then bin 'em

 

[steewith2ees]

I know its a money saver, but people need to stop buying 100 pills in one go from these characters. I have had to shop around recently and despite needing almost the same amount, I have bought 4 different brands of 3 different drugs in individual monthly courses (30 at a time), choosing products that I have used before and at least to my knowledge have not been counterfeited yet. I cannot wait for testing and embarrassingly I am able to recognize the individual taste of 4 different benzo derivatives (clonazepam, diazepam, lorazepam and alprazolam) and when added to the fact that they produced effects exactly as expected, its a temporary fudge that works. I am not saying this is good HR, just do not put all of your eggs in one basket.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

It's not a silver bullet but you can buy doses that aren't faked anywhere near as frequently. 10mg Diazzies are an absolute shit show but the 5mgs seem to seldom be faked from a look on Wedinos. The Easiums have never failed me.

 

[Bare_head]

I found pharma grade midazolam to be a short blackout experience.

I had my hands on quite alot and found tolerance builds fairly quickly but the short half life made it feel pretty interesting in terms of feeling ok after a few hours until that rebound anxiety hits after over use.

Its definitely a powerful one. Id rank it above temazepam for sleep and probably no1 for that but the short lasting effects made it quite addictive.

Dont think id love to get a proper dependence on the stuff

 

[Shambles]

I found pharma grade midazolam to be a short blackout experience.

I had my hands on quite alot and found tolerance builds fairly quickly but the short half life made it feel pretty interesting in terms of feeling ok after a few hours until that rebound anxiety hits after over use.

Its definitely a powerful one. Id rank it above temazepam for sleep and probably no1 for that but the short lasting effects made it quite addictive.

Dont think id love to get a proper dependence on the stuff

That’s kinda what I was expecting to get, but neither of these seem KO enough to be fully legit.

They are still quite pleasant though so…

 

[matt<3ketamine]

It's been a few days since i've had those NeBigesic indian pregabs - only very light WD's(? cuz, i dunno if i'm just a bit sick from a cold or it's deffo pregabs) and am substituting with Benzo's but gonna start to taper down and down to my usual dose again soon here. I need to start splitting some of the 10's here.

 

[placebonaut]

It's been a few days since i've had those NeBigesic indian pregabs - only very light WD's(? cuz, i dunno if i'm just a bit sick from a cold or it's deffo pregabs) and am substituting with Benzo's but gonna start to taper down and down to my usual dose again soon here. I need to start splitting some of the 10's here.

outta interest Matt, what dose have you been on and for how long? are you taking daily?

curious because it's my DOC, I'm on a tolerance break from it right now but generally I'm pretty good and only take it weekly, but dosage has been creeping up a fair bit for me as usual as the weeks go by.

I've stopped all GABA drugs and getting withdrawals, thankfully they're easing day by day, I'm not entirely sure what's causing the withdrawals though, it feels like Soma withdrawal but it might just be a combo of lots of different gaba...

 

[matt<3ketamine]

outta interest Matt, what dose have you been on and for how long? are you taking daily?

curious because it's my DOC, I'm on a tolerance break from it right now but generally I'm pretty good and only take it weekly, but dosage has been creeping up a fair bit for me as usual as the weeks go by.

I've stopped all GABA drugs and getting withdrawals, thankfully they're easing day by day, I'm not entirely sure what's causing the withdrawals though, it feels like Soma withdrawal but it might just be a combo of lots of different gaba...

Daily use of 300mg's of real pregab's, probably about half a year+? I've experimented with them over the years but only felt 'a habit' around then)
So then went from 150mg 'Pregacare' brand pregablin's (the last good brand i got) to these Nebigseric ones, (rip off of nevergesic?) and was taking 300mg and just about feeling them. So got myself to 'their level' after about a month and then went back down to 150-200mg, then felt like this brand? They were doing very little.
So I tested 150mg of, what i know is 100% pregab, and I AM BUZZING. I went out climbing, i was filled with energy lol.
So i went back to 150mg of the Other brand the next day - verrry little noticeable lacking in 'those same effects.' and it's JUST the next day, so dunno, isn't tolerance?
For a few days i fluctuated between trying real vs this weird brand, and stuck to the weird brand at about 150-200mg estimate (crack a capsule n pour half into a container, that's been my method for decreasing gradually) and depending on how i was feeling, i'd maybe take 150mg one night, and go one without, then maybe the next night i may have a small bomb of maybe 50-80mg (at max) of the weird brand.
Then thought "why don't i see what a few days feel like", the first were a little 'odd' feeling but after that, i've been off them since.
Any anxiety feeling i sub'd with a benzo increase, but that's been only a handful of times. I'm hoping it doesn't suddenly get worse or something once it's fully out.
Only a week to 2 weeks, (edit: roughly) on and doing much better than when i first 'jumped off' in regards to how much I even need to subdue the anxiety/'weird' feeling from, what I can only guess, is for me, now, light-pregablin WD perhaps?

 

[placebonaut]

@matt<3ketamine thanks for taking the time to write up the info interesting read!

Daily use of 300mg's of real pregab's, probably about half a year+?

You were still getting a buzz from them daily at the same dose? even when I take them weekly my dosage creeps up over time, hmm I wonder if it's all the other gaba drugs contributing, maybe something I need to consider/look into

I've experimented with them over the years but only felt 'a habit' around then)
So then went from 150mg 'Pregacare' brand pregablin's (the last good brand i got) to these Nebigseric ones, (rip off of nevergesic?) and was taking 300mg and just about feeling them. So got myself to 'their level' after about a month and then went back down to 150-200mg, then felt like this brand? They were doing very little.

I've been taking indian generics weekly for a couple of years, but recently splashed out on some Uk pharma grade and they're certainly stronger and it might be my brain but I think the buzz is a slightly different "flavour"

So I tested 150mg of, what i know is 100% pregab, and I AM BUZZING. I went out climbing, i was filled with energy lol.
So i went back to 150mg of the Other brand the next day - verrry little noticeable lacking in 'those same effects.' and it's JUST the next day, so dunno, isn't tolerance?
For a few days i fluctuated between trying real vs this weird brand, and stuck to the weird brand at about 150-200mg estimate (crack a capsule n pour half into a container, that's been my method for decreasing gradually) and depending on how i was feeling, i'd maybe take 150mg one night, and go one without, then maybe the next night i may have a small bomb of maybe 50-80mg (at max) of the weird brand.
Then thought "why don't i see what a few days feel like", the first were a little 'odd' feeling but after that, i've been off them since.
Any anxiety feeling i sub'd with a benzo increase, but that's been only a handful of times. I'm hoping it doesn't suddenly get worse or something once it's fully out.
Only a week to 2 weeks, (edit: roughly) on and doing much better than when i first 'jumped off' in regards to how much I even need to subdue the anxiety/'weird' feeling from, what I can only guess, is for me, now, light-pregablin WD perhaps?

Suspect it is withdrawal, I've been researching pregab downregulation because I'm going to start retaking it soon and trying to figure out the best schedule. Honestly I'm surprised you went 6 months on them daily at 300mg and got such mild withdrawals, my modelling suggests you'd be at 40% deregulation and would need months taper (reduce by ~50mg every ~week) after taking daily for so long.

Seems pretty mild if you managed it with occasional benzo usage

 

[matt<3ketamine]

@matt<3ketamine thanks for taking the time to write up the info interesting read!


You were still getting a buzz from them daily at the same dose? even when I take them weekly my dosage creeps up over time, hmm I wonder if it's all the other gaba drugs contributing, maybe something I need to consider/look into

I've been taking indian generics weekly for a couple of years, but recently splashed out on some Uk pharma grade and they're certainly stronger and it might be my brain but I think the buzz is a slightly different "flavour"

Suspect it is withdrawal, I've been researching pregab downregulation because I'm going to start retaking it soon and trying to figure out the best schedule. Honestly I'm surprised you went 6 months on them daily at 300mg and got such mild withdrawals, my modelling suggests you'd be at 40% deregulation and would need months taper (reduce by ~50mg every ~week) after taking daily for so long.

Seems pretty mild if you managed it with occasional benzo usage

I'm as surprised as yourself. Esp at how mild the WD's have been for me. My keyworker has been constantly on about my 'dose this month', if still half a cap or back to a full 300mg.
So going in next time, she's gonna be REALLY confused too how. But I really think the 'worse quality' ones helped me reduce enough to where I could substitute them with Benzo's and now starting to try lower those again, too.
I'd love to actually know more and be able to maybe give a guide for others? I wanna know how much pregab is in these ones vs my old ones, but i can't check, or if it was that which helped me go 'i can stop today and see how it goes'. It feels like I somehow stopped a benzo addiction cold turkey with none of the terrifying WD's, only mild, but with pregabalin.
It doesn't make much sense from what i've read on pregabalin WD's, what i read/learnt was meant to happen, and what i experienced myself, were different/milder.

edit:
(Also, no i wasn't getting the full on pregab 'buzz' after a few days of using real pregab but kept the dose at 300mg for a few months until this new 'worse' brand (nebigesic) came along, so 80ish of them over a wee while later and here i am. I'm convinced it's a 'purity with this brand' thing and have gave so little, i managed to reduce gradually to their, clearly, lower dose of pregab in them, and then jumped off)

 

[placebonaut]

I'm as surprised as yourself. Esp at how mild the WD's have been for me. My keyworker has been constantly on about my 'dose this month', if still half a cap or back to a full 300mg.
So going in next time, she's gonna be REALLY confused too how. But I really think the 'worse quality' ones helped me reduce enough to where I could substitute them with Benzo's and now starting to try lower those again, too.
I'd love to actually know more and be able to maybe give a guide for others? I wanna know how much pregab is in these ones vs my old ones, but i can't check, or if it was that which helped me go 'i can stop today and see how it goes'. It feels like I somehow stopped a benzo addiction cold turkey with none of the terrifying WD's, only mild, but with pregabalin.
It doesn't make much sense from what i've read on pregabalin WD's, what i read/learnt was meant to happen, and what i experienced myself, were different/milder.

interesting theory, I was taking cheap indian generics only and had a tolerance break after 6 months at 300mg+ 12months of weekly 600-900mg, that should have needed a taper really from what I've read but I got zero withdrawal going cold turkey on them. The UK pharma I have now are much stronger.

not sure what else you're currently taking other than the benzos, wonder if other drugs might be masking things maybe?

only other thought is that some of the withdrawals could easier be put down to other things especially if they're mild e.g. headaches, sweating, flu like symptoms, muscle aches. If you're not getting any of the others easy to not really clock these if mild.

maybe you're just lucky and don't get any! is that some kinda super power?

edit:
(Also, no i wasn't getting the full on pregab 'buzz' after a few days of using real pregab but kept the dose at 300mg for a few months until this new 'worse' brand (nebigesic) came along, so 80ish of them over a wee while later and here i am. I'm convinced it's a 'purity with this brand' thing and have gave so little, i managed to reduce gradually to their, clearly, lower dose of pregab in them, and then jumped off)

guess you were using them for other things rather than the buzz though.

good to hear you could go for so long though with no probs