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Esoteric Comments from spiritual people

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yes, I agree with this understanding. The body is a temporary vessel for consciousness to explore form. Personally, I’ve never used any external source like DMT etc. I’ve never felt the need because everything can be accessed from within. But I also believe that if something helps someone expand their awareness, it’s simply another tool. .In the end, it’s always consciousness meeting itself through different ways..

Agata El Mrabet. 2025-11-19. h‍ttps://www.instagram.com/yoga.agat/p/DRO09Z2DgV3/.


The physical body is a temporary vehicle for now. You may eventually leave this vehicle to upgrade to a better vehicle. Ultimately, you can create the vehicle at will so you do not have to constantly stay in physical reality. You can morph it into pure energy so you can be who and what you are. Then, if you need to visit a physical reality you can create a body that can exist in that physical place based on your mind-pattern. Ideally your pineal gland should be your entire brain; you should not have a left and right hemisphere, or a pineal gland. You have the capacity to do and learn energetically with no need for a physical body.

Stewert Swerdlow. True World History: Humanity's Saga. 2014. 51. Taking Responsibility


[If] you paid attention when they taught physics DMT wouldnt be so confusing. The main thing it does is drastically raises your vibration. Different realities are on different wavelengths (just like radio) change your frequency=change yoir reality. Water, as it traverses the stages of matter (solid, liquid, gas) remains H²O the entire time. The difference is that it is vibrating faster. Ome or 2 hits of a cart and youll feel like youre swimming in fluid. When you blast off, when you are forced to ground, eyes closed, motionless and leavimg your body its because you are now in a gas state. Its why your consciousness has to leave your body. You are not your body. You are (energy) aka consciousness, only inhabiting this suite.

@aaronbutler1526. Comment posted on this video: DMT in the Brain: A Pharmacologist's Perspective. @Neuropharmacist. 2021-09-25. YouTube.
 
"First of all, I’m very concerned about possible brain damage with many psychedelics. Now that we know more about the subtlety of brain chemistry and brain structure and so forth …"

George Leonard. A Buddhist Psychedelic History of Esalen Institute. Interview with Michael Murphy and George Leonard. [Zig Zag Zen: Buddhism and Psychedelics. Alan Hunt Badiner. 2002.]
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"The use of drugs depletes ojas and deranges the prana and the tejas. A typical ojas-depleting drug is marijuana; others include peyote, psychedelic mushrooms, LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, and ketamine. One of the most serious problems associated with these herbal and pharmaceutical drugs is their effect of hyperstimulating the serotonin concentrations through a variety of mechanisms to create neuronal destruction from an excess of serotonin, which then becomes oxidized. In this oxidized form, the serotonin is neurotoxic."

Gabriel Cousens. Spiritual Nutrition. 2005. Chapter 25. Ayurvedic Insights into Live Foods / Drug Use

Full write-up: https://www.bluelight.org/community...ct-on-the-spiritual-body.844776/post-15457795
 
"In my experience, psychedelic drugs such as Ayahuasca and also forced kundalini yogic breathing are practices to be very careful with, because there must also be mindful integration of the opening experiences into daily life, without which is the risk of becoming ungrounded, unbalanced or aloof. What you’re looking for is a steady build up of kundalini energy over time, allowing it to progressively flow into density so that you can unravel and integrate it through your 3D reality."

"Understanding Kundalini, and How to Effectively Integrate it Into Your Life". Open. 2014-05-10. https://www.openhandweb.org/understanding-kundalini-and-how-effectively-integrate-it-your-life


"Once the Kundalini is awakened, the author strongly recommends one does not do any drugs or harsh Yoga practices that force the Kundalini and interfere with the delicate process that has been activated. Simply supporting the Kundalini unfolding with the Six Foundations is enough. The Sacred Feminine has a Divine unfolding pattern all its own that is best respected and surrendered to. It is a feminine pattern of surrender rather than a masculine path of fitting into a pre-set form or forcing with techniques or drugs."

Gabriel Cousens. Spiritual Nutrition. 2005. Chapter 25. Ayurvedic Insights into Live Foods / Drug Use

Full write-up: https://www.bluelight.org/community/posts/15457795
 
red22 said:
"In my experience, psychedelic drugs such as Ayahuasca and also forced kundalini yogic breathing are practices to be very careful with, because there must also be mindful integration of the opening experiences into daily life, without which is the risk of becoming ungrounded, unbalanced or aloof. What you’re looking for is a steady build up of kundalini energy over time, allowing it to progressively flow into density so that you can unravel and integrate it through your 3D reality."

"Understanding Kundalini, and How to Effectively Integrate it Into Your Life". Open. 2014-05-10. https://www.openhandweb.org/understanding-kundalini-and-how-effectively-integrate-it-your-life


"Once the Kundalini is awakened, the author strongly recommends one does not do any drugs or harsh Yoga practices that force the Kundalini and interfere with the delicate process that has been activated. Simply supporting the Kundalini unfolding with the Six Foundations is enough. The Sacred Feminine has a Divine unfolding pattern all its own that is best respected and surrendered to. It is a feminine pattern of surrender rather than a masculine path of fitting into a pre-set form or forcing with techniques or drugs."

Gabriel Cousens. Spiritual Nutrition. 2005. Chapter 25. Ayurvedic Insights into Live Foods / Drug Use

Full write-up: https://www.bluelight.org/community/posts/15457795
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1) Learn what Gopi Krishna said.
2) Anyone who has to force this to awake isn't ready, when you have Kundalini-shakti throw you into the air & loose total control of your body it's nothing like some Yage drink, you have no idea like 99% of Western people what you speak of.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
1) Learn what Gopi Krishna said.
2) Anyone who has to force this to awake isn't ready, when you have Kundalini-shakti throw you into the air & loose total control of your body it's nothing like some Yage drink, you have no idea like 99% of Western people what you speak of.
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Your path is your own. What works for you is not the go to answer for everyone. When we understand life has options we become aware there are a number of ways to get where we are going.
 
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Too lazy to scroll back but the sexual energy thing rings out quite well. I have noticed my most intense visions/entities while either after making love, or wanting to make love but one or the other is too fucked up, so both go back to being immersed with visuals, in and out of consciousness or black out, sleep, or a spiritual aspect to an experience, that happens to be a dream like - hallucinating states.
 
"I don’t want to see a nationwide or worldwide movement built around a little bit of “acid.” I don’t want to see this, because of the young souls for whom this would be devastating. Some young souls who have been opened up without preparation stumble into psychic ability. They may read thought forms, see auras or travel astrally. In yoga we would say that this path of psychism must be avoided until you have attained Self Realization. This is because in opening up the mind to higher forces and beautiful experiences, we also open ourselves up to the unpleasant experiences of the shadow world of the chakras below the mūlādhāra center at the base of the spine, areas of consciousness which we cannot control without preparation and training. In yoga, the guru knows how to protect his students in the opening-up process by closing off the lower realms as the higher ones open. He knows how to do this, but it is a steady training and does require time."

Living with Siva: Hindusim's Contemporary Culture. Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. 2001. Himalayan Academy. 9780945497981. Chapter 12. Chemical Chaos / Wednesday LESSON 80: Maintaining Control

Full chapter:

https://www.bluelight.org/community/posts/16194226


Development of the psychedelic individual: A psychological analysis of the psychedelic state and its attendant psychic powers. John Curtis Gowan. 1974.

 
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red22 said:
"I don’t want to see a nationwide or worldwide movement built around a little bit of “acid.” I don’t want to see this, because of the young souls for whom this would be devastating. Some young souls who have been opened up without preparation stumble into psychic ability. They may read thought forms, see auras or travel astrally. In yoga we would say that this path of psychism must be avoided until you have attained Self Realization. This is because in opening up the mind to higher forces and beautiful experiences, we also open ourselves up to the unpleasant experiences of the shadow world of the chakras below the mūlādhāra center at the base of the spine, areas of consciousness which we cannot control without preparation and training. In yoga, the guru knows how to protect his students in the opening-up process by closing off the lower realms as the higher ones open. He knows how to do this, but it is a steady training and does require time."

Living with Siva: Hindusim's Contemporary Culture. Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. 2001. Himalayan Academy. 9780945497981. Chapter 12. Chemical Chaos / Wednesday LESSON 80: Maintaining Control

Full chapter:

https://www.bluelight.org/community/posts/16194226


Development of the psychedelic individual: A psychological analysis of the psychedelic state and its attendant psychic powers. John Curtis Gowan. 1974.
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Agree 1000 % 🔥

And I have consumed my fair share.

I have also experienced personal friends who were lost in the Astral Planes, it is not just "Urban Legend"; LSD is not for everyone.
 
I believe people intuitively choose their paths which may or may not include psychedelics, meditation, religion, spirituality etc. Everyone knows where and how to get there, which makes me think there is a universal force that drives us to a place that is undefined and yet is understood by all.
 
"… So do not mistake it for samadhi and do not cling to such experiences, otherwise they will be obstructions in meditation. You have felt so much in LSD dreams that, when you go in real meditation it is faint. It is not so vital that the feeling is not of such a great upsurge. Compared to your dream experiences meditation will look faint. This will create a depressive mood. You will feel something is being lost. You have known something and this something is not coming through meditation. Then the mind will say, “LSD is better”. And if you go on taking LSD your mind will become less and less meditative. And meditation and its experiences will go on becoming fainter and fainter. So don't take LSD again."

Acharya Rajneesh. LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi. 1971. Bombay, India: Jeevan Jagriti Kendra. https://www.satrakshita.com/osho_books.htm
 
red22 said:
"… So do not mistake it for samadhi and do not cling to such experiences, otherwise they will be obstructions in meditation. You have felt so much in LSD dreams that, when you go in real meditation it is faint. It is not so vital that the feeling is not of such a great upsurge. Compared to your dream experiences meditation will look faint. This will create a depressive mood. You will feel something is being lost. You have known something and this something is not coming through meditation. Then the mind will say, “LSD is better”. And if you go on taking LSD your mind will become less and less meditative. And meditation and its experiences will go on becoming fainter and fainter. So don't take LSD again."

Acharya Rajneesh. LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi. 1971. Bombay, India: Jeevan Jagriti Kendra. https://www.satrakshita.com/osho_books.htm
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lsd experiences are not opium dreams
samadhi can be excellent and real on lsd, however, samadhi is jhana, not enlightenment - on or not on lsd. it is dir=stracting like sex, which also is not bad or wrong.
until you experience such joy of absorption however, when it happens the first time, it is a kind of an enlightenment since you did not know of it previously.

It is good to have samadhi, and sex, and also something like the wisdom of the enlightened ones 😉 :kisswink:
 
Theres a book called buddhism and psychedelics that tries to "compare" the two - buddhism usually comes out as "best" cos buddhism has so much more money and tradition and all the buddhists are smug they're right.

But to me, like all religions based on leaders and gods - buddhism is just trading reality for other peoples fantasies. You dont need to "believe" in LSD - you just take it.
 
buddhist monks are often trained to preside at weddings and funerals. as a religion, it is integrated with large masses of people sharing a culture.
buddhism is not oriented to substance ingestion, but if LSD and Mushrooms were compared to the holy eucharist, then we would have effects variances that we could measure.
 
I suppose if you want a religion to give you a gang to belong to, a culture to take pride in then manmade religions are appealing.

I was never interested in any of that - I just want the spiritual experience. Plus all the physical and mental effects psychs give you. I love experiencing intense euphoria and laughter - try getting that from a vicar or buddhist monk.
 
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if LSD and Mushrooms were compared to the holy eucharist, then we would have effects variances that we could measure.
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Ironically, I've consumed DPT in a breakthrough dose and many people have said it's the Eucharist. I understand where they were coming from and why they believe that. What it taught me was that I didn't need substances to get into that kind of mind state or to answer these questions. I spent years looking for answers to these questions using various substances and DPT humbled me really fast.

I "saw God" when I took a large dose of it but it's impossible to put what I saw into words. These days I try not to preach what I know to others. Reading what others have written on the subject can be helpful but it's a path you must walk alone and draw your own conclusions about.
 
Negative entities, spirits and dark energies are strongly drawn to individuals who use drugs and alcohol. When people get stoned, their auras get weak and these negative entities and energies can easily penetrate into a person's aura or body. Humans are quite defenseless when they are stoned.

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"Any form of drug use, such as LSD, Ayahuascha, Magic Mushrooms, Cannabis, psilocybin or any other consciousness-altering drug, including cannabis, or marijuana can have lasting influences upon the central nervous system and is imprinted into the spiritualisation capacity of the blood record, creating splits and portals in the lightbody. These drugs being sold to induce spiritual enlightenment experiences can blow holes in the auric field, allowing entities to freely enter and exit the aura until the person cannot tell the difference from their energetics being infiltrated further assisted by the lowering of inhibitions through drug absorptions."

https://omnilov3.com/wiki/Drug_use_in_spiritual_pursuit
 
"Historically, Buddhists have regarded shamanic practice as steeped in superstition and false thinking, and Buddhists made a strong effort to convert the shamanic cultures of Aisa to their way of thinking, practicing, and identifying."

Martin Ball. Being Infinite: An Entheogenic Odyssey into the Limitless Eternal: A Memoir from Ayahuasca to Zen. 2014. Chapter 2: The Zen of College

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That statement is far too broad. Buddhism is not a single, uniform tradition, and Buddhist relationships with Indigenous and shamanic cultures have varied greatly across different regions and historical periods. Tibetan Buddhism developed through centuries of interaction with preexisting Tibetan traditions, including Bön, absorbing and transforming many Indigenous ritual and cosmological elements rather than simply rejecting them.
Indian Vajrayāna also emerged within a wider tantric environment and was deeply shaped by exchanges with Śaiva traditions. Furthermore, Buddhist tantric texts and later Tibetan sources contain documented references to psychoactive plants such as cannabis and datura in ritual, medicinal, alchemical, and yogic contexts. This does not mean entheogens were central to all Vajrayāna lineages, or that every Buddhist teacher approves of their use, but it does show that the historical relationship between Buddhism, shamanic traditions, and entheogens is much more complex than this quotation suggests.
Our Himalayan journey is based on respectful dialogue and reciprocity, not on imposing ayahuasca or any other tradition upon the people we meet.
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paititi_institute  2026-09-05  h‍ttps://www.instagram.com/paititi_institute/p/Dc4mFjsqH-R
 
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