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[iom]

I'm about T+1:15 from 4 mg 2C-P. Still barely feeling it. This stuff comes on so very slow.

 

[iom]

Update at T+11:00. I'm still at +1 with visual enhancements, body high, etc.. The trip peaked at a solid +2 with some good CEVs and good color and visual detail enhancement with eyes open. From what I experienced, I believe this will be a highly visual substance at 6mg+.

This 4mg went a long way. I was apprehensive going into this. For one thing, I expected 4 mg would bring a lot more body effects than 2 mg. For another, I worried that the ++ level at 4 mg would be awkward and uncomfortable for the many hours this substance lasts.

Right after I posted above at T+1:15, I felt the first significant wave, which was very euphoric. And then it just kept building in waves of "heart energy" and euphoria through T+5:00, after which it began a very gradual decline. Body load was minimal for me at this dose, which bodes very well for taking it higher. At the same time, the intensity of the experience was really off-the-charts when considering the tactile and emotional euphoria. It was luscious and exhilarating. Admittedly I'm a bit intimidated by going to 6 mg just because of that intensity, and I certainly wouldn't want to get on the "bad side" of this substance. That said, I've pretty much always been able to stay on the "good side" of 2C-E, so I may just be unusually compatible with these substances.

My partner joined me later, matching my peak with 15 mg of 2C-D. She's such a lightweight these days, I was surprised that we under-dosed her a bit, but she said she got along very well with the 2C-D and will try more next time.

All and all, this was an incredible day with an incredible substance. It may indeed displace 2C-E and mescaline (tied) as my favorite psychedelic substances. Though, it does come with the cost of having to devote an entire day (and then some) to the experience. I also wonder if has a bit less depth than 2C-E (and mescaline) in terms of guidance and insight. While I engaged in plenty of introspection today, nothing really pulled me in, and I mostly felt hedonistic. I will need to be well prepared for my 6 mg trial, and I doubt I will ever take this stuff higher than 8 mg. Even that seems like it would be insane.

 

[xdrc]

If it weren't for the long duration, I'd be much more inclined to try 2C-P. Currently I find even 8 h+ a bit much and I'm fortunate (or unfortunate) to lean towards the shorter duration as far as metabolism goes. It does seem like a tamer 2C-E, provided dosing is strictly controlled.

I don't know how sensitive your wife is, but what I found interesting about 2C-D is that at least for me it is distinctly psychedelic over a very wide range of doses, including the lower end of 15 mg. And unlike 2C-E, the dose-response curve is pretty much linear so it really takes some increases to get out of the more subtle "tofu" region (I still think this nickname is a disservice to that wonderful compound).

Talking about short psychedelics, I intend to get my hands on some diethyltryptamine in the coming weeks. I have a feeling I may fit really well to it, after all it was recommended years ago to me by a more tryptamine-aligned friend. Funnily he said I had a phenethylamine character, whatever that means, when we met. And I'd agree to say he has a tryptamine character, whatever that means.

On a funny side note, I like to compare phenethylamines and tryptamines to dogs and cats respectively. The phenethylamines are loyal and always a good soul, while the tryptamines can have a mind of their own, be mischievous, etc. For the most part this reflects both in their qualitative experience as well as their chemistry.

 

[iom]

With 2C-B, 2C-E, and mescaline over the last year, she got higher than I did even though she took ~3/4s of the doses I did. I'm guessing she now needs around 2/3s as much as me to get to the same place, and I consider myself very average and not a hard-head at all with regard to these drugs.

I'm going to try 2C-D again soon at 30 mg, maybe with her now. Unfortunately, every 2C-D experience I had at 20mg and above involved very uncomfortable body load during the first 1.5-2 hours or so. I put it down to individual chemistry or whatever.

Also, I love the analogy but I'm actually a cat person more than a dog person despite generally preferring phenethylamines over tryptamines. Go figure!

 

[xdrc]

I'm going to try 2C-D again soon at 30 mg, maybe with her now. Unfortunately, every 2C-D experience I had at 20mg and above involved very uncomfortable body load during the first 1.5-2 hours or so. I put it down to individual chemistry or whatever.

Yeah, sucks that it has such a bodyload for you. For me I only ever get some tension in the neck, and if I have to sit in public transportation my back starts to hurt - I don't get the latter on other psychedelics I think. Also no post-trip headaches. If I didn't knew already you get strong bodyload from 2C-D I would have recommended it to you precisely for being so gentle when you were unsure of what to take. I wonder what causes the difference in response. I think you are a bit of an outlier, most people do not report much bodyload.

Also, I love the analogy but I'm actually a cat person more than a dog person despite generally preferring phenethylamines over tryptamines. Go figure!

I'd love to have a cat but I'm allergic to them. Metaphorically I approach tryptamines in much the same way But next to the DMT which I have been vaping here and there in the last few weeks, I actually plan to do some more tryptamines in the foreseeable future.

 

[iom]

I'm happy to report I experienced no headache, hangover, fatigue, or any other negative effects following my 4 mg 2C-P dose. I went to bed and fell asleep quite easily despite some lingering effects including a wee bit of jaw tension. I woke up feeling great, and I'm four days out now. Smoking weed brings back time dilation, color enhancement, and CEVs, all of which were pronounced while on this substance. I posted more thoughts about it over here.

 

[Didgital]

Though I don't think this all that much like 2C-E. Just as 2C-B and 2C-I really aren't that much alike.

Comparison is the thief of joy they say, but I still can't help comparing and categorizing things. It's just how my mind works. Like if I had to compare 2C-I to something, I'd probably compare it to 2C-B but only because that's the closest I can think of aside from maybe mescaline itself. all 2C's that I've tried share similarities to mescaline IME.

I've done enough 2C's to know that a single carbon atom can make a huge difference.
For example I find 2C-D and 2C-E not so similar at all, though there are some areas of overlap. I find 2C-E so intense that I may be done with it forever. Even 78mg of 2C-D was not as intense as 15mg of 2C-E imo.

Would you say it is more or less stimulating than 2C-E? and in terms of intensity what would you compare 4mg of 2C-P to vs 2C-E dosagewise?

Maybe I would try 2C-P if the sheer intensity was a bit less, cuz I found out I actually really like DOPr. Probably my fav DOx.

Once.. I comboed 2C-E with MDA at a festival. I went to the front stage of a massive rave tent sat down right in the dance floor even though it was very crowded. People could tell i was tripping balls and actually formed a bit of a protective circle around me. At some point I started to think of all the people I love (actually a very common effect i get with 2C-E) and light shot out of my heart into the sky in the shape of an umbrella. I like to think I was connecting and sending love to my ppl around the world.

 

[iom]

Comparison is the thief of joy they say, but I still can't help comparing and categorizing things. It's just how my mind works. Like if I had to compare 2C-I to something, I'd probably compare it to 2C-B but only because that's the closest I can think of aside from maybe mescaline itself. all 2C's that I've tried share similarities to mescaline IME.

Me too! I think there are various qualities that all of these drugs share between one another but not equally. I do think 2C-B and 2C-I have some overlap. However what 2C-I and 2C-B share is roughly the same as what both share with 2C-C, and in some ways 2C-I is more like 2C-C than 2C-B. Like 2C-B seems to be the least visual and most empathogenic of the three, but it's between the two in terms of perceived stimulation level.

I've done enough 2C's to know that a single carbon atom can make a huge difference.
For example I find 2C-D and 2C-E not so similar at all, though there are some areas of overlap. I find 2C-E so intense that I may be done with it forever. Even 78mg of 2C-D was not as intense as 15mg of 2C-E imo.

Well, you can always try taking less than 15 mg 2C-E in the future. Though I do think 2C-E has a certain quality of intensity to it, which can be apparent even from a 1.5 mg mini dose. It's a kind of visceral component? But not necessarily literally. It just makes me feel supremely vital and alive somehow. I like it for that.

Would you say it is more or less stimulating than 2C-E? and in terms of intensity what would you compare 4mg of 2C-P to vs 2C-E dosagewise?

These are great questions and a bit tough to answer.

I think there are multiple possible dimensions of stimulation. I think psychedelics are often stimulating in a way that's very distinct from dopaminergic/adrenergic things like amphetamine. At the same time, I believe 2C-X all have significant adrenergic interactions of their own, which could definitely moderate arousal states in different ways.

For me 2C-E at low doses is a bit like experiencing reality as an intense dream. I can sometimes feel tired. At bigger doses it feels a bit more stimulating to me, but it can go either way. On one 20 mg trip, I had tremendous nervous energy and couldn't stop moving, and on another I literally laid on a rug for a few hours straight.

I feel like 2C-P is similarly flexible but perhaps a bit smoother and more controlled. For my 4 mg experience, I felt notably relaxed through most of the come-up and spent quite a while just sitting on the couch, zoning out to the music, letting my eyes flutter (nystagmus) while enjoying the euphoric tactile rushes. I didn't feel tired when I got up to dance though.

Late in the experience, I worked on trying to beat a difficult boss in "Hollow Knight: SilkSong", which is a very challenging fast-paced video game. I got a tremendous surge of adrenaline through that session (more than I normally get when playing it on just weed), but it never felt out of control.

As far as intensity, how do we quantify that? If comparing visual effect intensity, I think the 4 mg was maybe similar to 8-9 mg of 2C-E. As I suggested above, 2C-E seems to have a certain qualitative intensity, and my sense is that 2C-P does not express that quality as strongly as 2C-E does. Higher doses may be a whole other story though.

Once.. I comboed 2C-E with MDA at a festival.

That sounds pretty wild, and not something I would have thought of trying. Do you think the MDA helped push the 2C-E in a more euphoric direction?

 

[Didgital]

2C-E seems to have a certain qualitative intensity, and my sense is that 2C-P does not express that quality as strongly as 2C-E does. Higher doses may be a whole other story though.

Thats what I was curious about. Yeah I would probably try 2C-P.

Do you think the MDA helped push the 2C-E in a more euphoric direction?

Hard to say. At one point I was sitting in the mud worried if I got up I was going to puke or shit my pants. My friends were like "Look at the stage, theres cats with lasers shooting out of their eyes"
I was like "nah Im totally good sitting here in the mud with my eyes closed" It was a very physical trip and probably in top 3 of my visual 2C-E trips. I actually don't find 2C-E visual by itself, but comboing it with anything.... MDA/LSD/2C-B was a different story. You mentioned heart energy which is what I always get with 2C-E and loved about it. This trip was that x 100, but the main part of the trip I actually don't recall. I just remember having to follow my friends to different shows and it was a mud year. The tail end of the trip which is always my favorite part about 2C-E is where I had the umbrella experience.

That sounds pretty wild, and not something I would have thought of trying

Well I didnt mean to really. And how I came to do it is a story in itself. This was 2012 when methylone was dominant and finding MDMA was very difficult. I arrive at the festival with a set of test kits. My older brother's friends (basically the kids who brought me up in the festival scene) ask me if i wanted to try some really good "molly". I reply no thanks I'm going to take some 2C-E tonight (they had never heard of 2C-E). I ask them if they had tested the MDMA which they reply they don't need to they've already eaten it. One of the friends (there was about 5) says hey lets do it for science. Marquis reacted yellow (cathinone) instead of purple like MDMA should test. All of a sudden there were 5 hands in front of me. Yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow... People were getting a bit angry at this point, as another friend had been the source of all of it. This friend at this point is very embarrassed. He's got like 5 different kinds of MDxx. Yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, purple. The one that actually tested positive for MDxx was a canary yellow powder (gross). We confirmed using Simon's that it was MDA. The friend out of triumph (and a bit of embarrassment) offers the canary yellow MDA to the group of friends. Everyone partakes except me. He insists. So i lick my pinky and stick it in the bag, trying to take a reasonable dose. He jams the bag upwards so I'm looking at a yellow coated pinky. I say fuck it, I really wasn't trying to make this kid look bad and I felt bad that I had. I lick my finger. An hour or 2 pass and I am barely feeling the MDA (again it was yellow and not very pure). I reason, I'm gonna stick to my original plan and I took probably 18mg of 2C-E that was my dose at the time. Very very foolish idea. My friends had to keep an eye on me for most of the trip, when we were walking back to the camp at end of the night is when I heard the dubstep/electronic music and took off for the rave tent. I remember hearing one of my friends say "he'll be ok, lets keep going" Thats how I ended up with a neon umbrella of love shooting out of my heart into the sky. I remember writing this experience up, but I think I forgot to publish. It's probably on my last computer.

I've also combo'd 2C-E with LSD (was like staring at the sun) and 2C-B (which was like DMT visuals with 2C-B/E bodyhigh but with worrisome vasoconstriction)

 

[iom]

Thats what I was curious about. Yeah I would probably try 2C-P.

I hope it works well for you when you do get around to trying it. Individual responses appear to vary a lot with 2C-P. Shulgin even comments to this effect in the Extensions and Commentary in the PIHKAL entry, emphasizing a need for "individual titration". There may even be shades of the Alephs and 2C-T-X with regard to variability, and I did previously make a comparison between 2C-P and 2C-T-4. Perhaps 2C-P is even more like 2C-T-7, but I never tried the latter. And of course, 2C-T-2 is quite different from 2C-E, so who knows.

It was a very physical trip and probably in top 3 of my visual 2C-E trips. I actually don't find 2C-E visual by itself, but comboing it with anything.... MDA/LSD/2C-B was a different story.

Interesting. I find I get subtle visual shifts at remarkably low doses of 2C-E, yet at full trip doses, visual intensity has been very inconsistent between trips. I had an 18 mg trip with almost no visuals at all, but on another 18 mg trip, I had a whole fireworks show super-imposed on a starry night sky and synchronized with the live music we were hearing. That was one of those trips I just wanted to keep going on forever.

You mentioned heart energy which is what I always get with 2C-E and loved about it. This trip was that x 100, but the main part of the trip I actually don't recall. I just remember having to follow my friends to different shows and it was a mud year. The tail end of the trip which is always my favorite part about 2C-E is where I had the umbrella experience.

To be clear, the "heart energy" feeling on 2C-P was rather different what I feel on 2C-E, and it was there from the beginning on the 2C-P whereas with 2C-E the strong positive feelings usually kick in at around 5-6 hours in. I'll have to revisit this topic after my next (6 mg) 2C-P experience.

Well I didnt mean to really. And how I came to do it is a story in itself. This was 2012 when methylone was dominant and finding MDMA was very difficult.

That's a great story! An 18 mg dose on top of the MDA sounds pretty wild for someone like yourself with normal-to-high sensitivity to 2C-E. I remember way back when, some people I knew preferred methylone over MDMA, but it was rather difficult to get and expensive. I don't tend to respond well to either MDXX or methylone, but these drugs have served as a launch pad for some amazing psychedelic experiences.

The one time I had methylone was with my partner on a very hot 4th of July in a house without A/C. It was actually our third weekend together since we met. We started with 150 mg each at around 6 pm, and both of us just felt body stimulation plus a lot of (unwanted) extra warmth. IIRC around two hours in, we took the rest (100 mg each) which just increased the icky body feelings. We tried going to a party hoping being around other people would help. Nope.

Then around midnight, I decided to see if taking 20 mg each of 2C-I could break us out of our disappointment. It was her first time on 2C-I, and the shared experience was incredible. In the peak, we went outside and laid under a tree, watching exquisitely beautiful patterns form from the tree branch silhouettes. This reinforced our emotional bonding, and then we moved to the bedroom to cuddle. That eventually led to at least a couple hours of wildly passionate and energetic loving-making, and we collapsed into puddles and fell asleep shortly after the sun came up. A few hours of sleep were followed by more cuddling and love-making, another short nap, and finally a trip out to get some Indian food. Our disappointing experiences with the methylone felt very distant in our memories.

 

[Didgital]

I hope it works well for you when you do get around to trying it. Individual responses appear to vary a lot with 2C-P. Shulgin even comments to this effect in the Extensions and Commentary in the PIHKAL entry, emphasizing a need for "individual titration". There may even be shades of the Alephs and 2C-T-X with regard to variability, and I did previously make a comparison between 2C-P and 2C-T-4. Perhaps 2C-P is even more like 2C-T-7, but I never tried the latter. And of course, 2C-T-2 is quite different from 2C-E, so who knows.



Interesting. I find I get subtle visual shifts at remarkably low doses of 2C-E, yet at full trip doses, visual intensity has been very inconsistent between trips. I had an 18 mg trip with almost no visuals at all, but on another 18 mg trip, I had a whole fireworks show super-imposed on a starry night sky and synchronized with the live music we were hearing. That was one of those trips I just wanted to keep going on forever.



To be clear, the "heart energy" feeling on 2C-P was rather different what I feel on 2C-E, and it was there from the beginning on the 2C-P whereas with 2C-E the strong positive feelings usually kick in at around 5-6 hours in. I'll have to revisit this topic after my next (6 mg) 2C-P experience.



That's a great story! An 18 mg dose on top of the MDA sounds pretty wild for someone like yourself with normal-to-high sensitivity to 2C-E. I remember way back when, some people I knew preferred methylone over MDMA, but it was rather difficult to get and expensive. I don't tend to respond well to either MDXX or methylone, but these drugs have served as a launch pad for some amazing psychedelic experiences.

The one time I had methylone was with my partner on a very hot 4th of July in a house without A/C. It was actually our third weekend together since we met. We started with 150 mg each at around 6 pm, and both of us just felt body stimulation plus a lot of (unwanted) extra warmth. IIRC around two hours in, we took the rest (100 mg each) which just increased the icky body feelings. We tried going to a party hoping being around other people would help. Nope.

Then around midnight, I decided to see if taking 20 mg each of 2C-I could break us out of our disappointment. It was her first time on 2C-I, and the shared experience was incredible. In the peak, we went outside and laid under a tree, watching exquisitely beautiful patterns form from the tree branch silhouettes. This reinforced our emotional bonding, and then we moved to the bedroom to cuddle. That eventually led to at least a couple hours of wildly passionate and energetic loving-making, and we collapsed into puddles and fell asleep shortly after the sun came up. A few hours of sleep were followed by more cuddling and love-making, another short nap, and finally a trip out to get some Indian food. Our disappointing experiences with the methylone felt very distant in our memories.

The visuals I get from 2C-E... its like im looking at a light ok? and instead of a light, I see light beams and within the light beams I see fractals..
I find 2c-b/i/t2 more overtly visual. You mentioned heart energy in your experience of 2C-P and thats my main effect with 2C-E. I hate the comeup of 2c-e. I feel nauseous, almost feel feverish. I LOVE 2C-D i never get that sort of body effect. I do usually get a twinge of nausea but it passes within 2 hours. I do get a bit trembly but that also passes.

 

[Didgital]

with 2C-E the strong positive feelings usually kick in at around 5-6 hours in.

the 2c-e afterglow is what I really love. I have to suffer thru the trip to get there. wowowow

 

[iom]

I feel nauseous, almost feel feverish. I LOVE 2C-D i never get that sort of body effect. I do usually get a twinge of nausea but it passes within 2 hours. I do get a bit trembly but that also passes.

Coming up on 2C-D my stomach gets quite sour and crampy. I feel cold, tense, and shaky, sometimes with chattering teeth. Last time I had 20 mg, I experienced something like a jaw spasm, which was a bit scary. I still intend to try 30 mg to see if I can make it work for me somehow. The wife said she had almost no body load on her 15 mg test dose, and it usually works better to be on the same substance if we're tripping together.

On 2C-E, usually right around T+1:00 I tend to feel like I have a flu or something, and sometimes I get a little diarrhea. It's a familiar thing though and tends to pass within a few minutes when I don't dwell on it. I often like to do stretching and other relaxation-promoting activities in this next hour. By T+2:00 I'm usually feeling much more settled and the trip becomes a lot more introspective. I do get tremors and body energies on 2C-E, but most of the time they are manageable.

With 2C-P, on the 4 mg at least, I experienced only slight twinges of discomfort that were very brief---some weird feelings in the throat and some moments of sourness in the stomach (which was very empty). Otherwise the come-up was smooth, relaxing, and euphoric.

One thing about the 2C-E "heart energy" (which really gets going around 4.5-6 hours for me) is that it has a very grounded and authentic feel to it. It makes me feel old and wise. Mescaline sometimes does this to me too, perhaps even more so. The 2C-P energy feels more distinctly pleasurable and perhaps even slightly manic. Also the sensual enhancement and drive I felt were off the wall. I mean I've had a few intensely sensual experiences on 2C-E---"melting" into a sheepskin rug (which was casting off flowing rainbow ribbons), "disintegrating" into sand on a beach, and of course sexual experiences, but the 2C-P came with a particular urge to seek tactile pleasure. Think of a cat rolling in a pile of catnip or a dog rolling in grass. Maybe I've gotten feelings like that from MDMA, like the two times in my life it actually worked, but I don't think it was nearly this intense.

 

[Pfafffed]

I would absolutely love a 10-12 hour long version of the 2C-T-2 trip if such a thing were possible. Maybe 2C-T-7 comes close, but I never got to find out.

I don't really see much similarity in the subjective effects of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7. I kind of see 2C-T-2 as "fast food mescaline." That may sound uncharitable, but I love them both. I just don't always have the time needed to dedicate to mescaline.