Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread - Part 2

[Didgital]

if you did not like DPT, you might not care for MiPT

Really? You find them similar? Honestly DPT was maybe my least favorite tryptamine I've ever tried. I was expecting DMT's darker older brother or something, and to me it felt more like mushrooms to me, and it was physically tenser than any other tryptamine I've tried.

And I've been wanting to check out some MIPT so I'm sad if they are similar.

 

[unodelacosa]

I'm with you on the DPT..
The 5-meo-mipt really is quite lovely, very very dif from 4-ho-mipt but actually quite similar to 5-meo-dipt. 5-meo-dipt is just MORE in every regard. More visual, more tactile, more bodyload, more audio enhancement.

Oh I'm sorry, @Viraldrome, I was comparing 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT, which are very similar. Otherwise, yes 4-substituited tryptamines are quite a bit different from 5-substituted tryptamines.

Consider n,n-DMT for a moment and think about what it is and what it's like. Now consider attaching some oxygen-containing group to the 5-position of DMT. This brings you to 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT, chemicals present in the bufo toad, and think about the difference it makes between 5-MeO-DMT and n,n-DMT. Keep that in your mind, but now consider taking DMT and attaching oxygen to the 4-position instead. That changes the experience significantly and 4-HO-DMT is psilocin. And now consider the differences between all three tryptamines: psilocin, 5-MeO-DMT, and DMT.

5-meo-mipt I can take in most environments, 5-meo-dipt I can only take it in bed. I do not understand how it was popular at raves.

Surprisingly it's a lot more fun than you might think. I think a key thing with Moxy and Foxy is to have physical activity to put that energy into. Yeah it's awesome for sexin', but it's also quite fun on the dance floor and I highly suggest it along with the suggestion to dance, b/c it's fun, healthy, self-expressive, appreciative of the music and the psychedelic urge to dance in a euphoric state.

I'm actually starting to hear about 5-meo-pipt/POXY circulating in my area.

Yeah that's been a gray market special for a hot minute now.

 

[Didgital]

Surprisingly it's a lot more fun than you might think.

I only took it once but I started off in bed which was really comfortable. I left my apartment to take a walk and as I walk this tiny little knot grows in my stomach and my stomach became so clenched, I don't think I made it half a block before I turned back. Back in bed i was fine.

Besides that, I absolutely loved it. Trippier deeper than moxy and even more tactile with stronger audio enhancement.

As far as Moxy would go, because it's a little more manageable I'd say it's the most hedonistic tryptamine I've tried.

 

[Viraldrome]

You mean someone put them into a gummy mixture and made gummies from it. The drug itself doesn't have a gummy form, just to be clear. TBH, I kinda wish we didn't do this. It's dangerous, because kids like candy and there's a chance a child might accidentally find and ingest this. But there are worse problems to worry about.

Well by that standard it doesn't come in pill form either, yes someone took the drugs and put it in pills or gummies. I think its great because cutting an accurate 5 mg dose on my scale is a challenge, making up a large batch and putting into a liquid solution is great way to dose a low dose substance.
I don't have children and no kids have access to my fridge, where they are locked in a box. Someone else not being responsible is a terrible reason to limit my freedom. Every time something gets banned its because of this "think of the children" shit. I lose another freedom because someone else didn't control their kids.

 

[unodelacosa]

Really? You find them similar?

I found them both to be, what I call, "skin-crawly" in that they have a sort of pushy CNS stimulant property marked by mild hypertension, musculoskeletal tightness, anxiogenesis, a moderate tremor and a vague sense of panic and paranoia that I had to suppress. Qualitatively, to me, 4-HO-DPT felt alienesque and perhaps a bit cold, though not in a hostile sense. Meanwhile DPT is best either mainlined or freebased so it rushes in at you and envelopes you completely. It's very intense and much more ethereal this way as opposed to oral consumption which is filled with gritty body load and some inner tension. There used to be a group in Manhattan called The Temple of the Divine Inner Light or something equally semi-cringy, and their whole thing was that in the 1970s they claimed DPT was the eucharist of their (quasi-)Christian church. Not sure how officially recognized this religious use was, but I don't believe NYPD or the feds ever came down on them for it or challenged them to a First Amendment / freedom-of-religion duel…

Honestly DPT was maybe my least favorite tryptamine I've ever tried. I was expecting DMT's darker older brother or something, and to me it felt more like mushrooms to me, and it was physically tenser than any other tryptamine I've tried.

Yeah the body load is intense. I also read those same trip reports from the Lycæum, but also discovered a few glowing reviews from some of the hardcore psychonauts. This gave me hope. I still don't care for the drug much though, but no longer fear it. One day I will revisit. That temple shit is wild.

And I've been wanting to check out some MIPT so I'm sad if they are similar.

Hey it's still worth checking out, make no mistake there. Keep your expectations low though, so you'll either get what you expected or be pleasantly surprised Listen to me, telling you this like you don't already know it… Apologies if this is old hat.

 

[Didgital]

I found them both to be, what I call, "skin-crawly" in that they have a sort of pushy CNS stimulant property marked by mild hypertension, musculoskeletal tightness, anxiogenesis, a moderate tremor and a vague sense of panic and paranoia that I had to suppress

Wow you really nailed it why i don't love DPT that much. It's basically a torture drug lol, not very hedonistic which is where I prefer. (Hence the 5-meo-

I didn't want to write it off, and historically ALL of my favorite tryptamines have at least one methyl group coming off the nitrogen so I'm going to keep the option on the table.

I think its great because cutting an accurate 5 mg dose on my scale

I kinda agree with both of yall in this particular situation. Gummies definitely have their own benefits and drawbacks. Less precision if you wanted to really hone your dose and we can all agree the effects difference between taking 5 vs 15mg is huge. So, higher precision is better. Yes yes the children too but @Viraldrome is 100% correct. It's not the drugs fault, it's the irresponsible users.
But even adults have been known to say "Man that gummy tasted so good, one more can't hurt"

But you can't expect your avg drug user to have a scale accurate enough to measure 5-meo-mipt single doses. Even my scale, wont register anything below 5mg. Even measuring out 100mg and making a volumetric solution is beyond what most people want to do.

What I worry about with gummies, is that they represent mass distribution usually. No one is making a single or 10x gummies at a time. And 5-meo-mipt is wildly still legal because dif companies and researchers put up a huge fight when the DEA tried to schedule it along with DOI etc. Sadly all it will take is a few really bad stories and they could easily try again.

 

[Didgital]

Oki so I have a question. Most people probably get their 5-meo-mipt as some sort of salt form? My first time seeing it was the fumarate but now I have a bunch of Fb, it's a hard waxy material that still works fine.

When you are measuring say a dose of fumarate. Like are these gummies that are labeled 5mg, are they 5mg of some salt or are they 5mg of the fb..??

 

[unodelacosa]

Oki so I have a question. Most people probably get their 5-meo-mipt as some sort of salt form? My first time seeing it was the fumarate but now I have a bunch of Fb, it's a hard waxy material that still works fine.

So whenever we swallow a freebase drug, the drug bonds to the hydrochloric acid in our stomachs and enters the blood stream that way. The purpose of the fumarate salt is to preserve the tryptamine usually. It's also helpful if you want to vape a drug if it's already in freebase form. Of course, it's best to store that Miprocin in a cool, dry, dark location until you're ready to use it, like sealed in an opaque container in the fridge.

For me, I have an accurate mg scale. One thing that helps when measuring really price drug weights is to already have ~half of the scale's maximum weight on the scale already. They're more accurate and precise toward the middle of their weight capacity.

When you are measuring say a dose of fumarate. Like are these gummies that are labeled 5mg, are they 5mg of some salt or are they 5mg of the fb..??

I've seen them both. Obviously the freebase form will be more potent, but this also shortens its shelf-life (in theory at least). Most RCs come as raw powder, so learning this skill set of dealing with volumetric dosing or precise weight measurements is pretty crucial to responsible use.

☞ Here's a volumetric dosing tool from Tripsit.me

☞ Quick Guide to Volumetric Dosing

 

[Didgital]

So whenever we swallow a freebase drug, the drug bonds to the hydrochloric acid in our stomachs and enters the blood stream that way. The purpose of the fumarate salt is to preserve the tryptamine usually. It's also helpful if you want to vape a drug if it's already in freebase form. Of course, it's best to store that Miprocin in a cool, dry, dark location until you're ready to use it, like sealed in an opaque container in the fridge.

For me, I have an accurate mg scale. One thing that helps when measuring really price drug weights is to already have ~half of the scale's maximum weight on the scale already. They're more accurate and precise toward the middle of their weight capacity.


I've seen them both. Obviously the freebase form will be more potent, but this also shortens its shelf-life (in theory at least). Most RCs come as raw powder, so learning this skill set of dealing with volumetric dosing or precise weight measurements is pretty crucial to responsible use.

☞ Here's a volumetric dosing tool from Tripsit.me

☞ Quick Guide to Volumetric Dosing

You misunderstand me though it wasn't the clearest question. It's more of a muse then a question at this point. 1st off, I am very aware of how the fb forms a salt in my stomach which is why I never bothered to turn it into the fumarate (fucking hassle ime). And I'm very well versed with the material. I'd say close to 100 trips split pretty evenly between oral and inhalation. There were a few weeks I would eat 5-meo-mipt every other day. It never really seemed to form a tolerance btw? Or if it did I never noticed, because I wasn't seeking psychedelic effects.

What I was trying to confirm... is that when most people report their trips, they'll say 5mg or 9mg or 15mg. Go look at TR forum or even erowid, no one ever reports which salt they have, they just report 10mg for example.
I assume that most people are reporting their dosages of 5-Meo-Mipt Fumarate because I've never seen the freebase available. Ever. I believe I saw succinate once. So when their report says 10mg, it's really probably like 8. That's all I was trying to establish.

The vast majority of my oral reports are with the FB, which ive taken as high as 15mg (way unnecessary). I've taken 20mg of the fumarate (thinking it was 5-meo-dipt) and also way unnecessary. Like, I was completely laid out.

By the way I would call 5-meo-dipt an enactogenic psychedelic.
5-meo-mipt I would largely call a psychedelic enactogen. If there's a difference.

Like I said, you have to take ridiculous amounts to get it to a visual/psychedelic level. Even my large oral doses things got wavey/colorful at most. Smoking 35-50mg you will definitely start seeing intricate fractals/colors, but the visual phase doesn't last long, maybe like 15-20 minutes. That's when I would redose to keep it at the visual level. I think after doing this for a few hours, that's what wasn't good for my heart.

Oh in case it hasn't been discussed, smoking a little bit of 5-meo-mipt (10-15mg) and then a low dose (30mg) of nn-DMT feels like... I dunno. kinda like hour long 5-meo-dmt with an alien vibe. Wild combo.

 

[xdrc]

I'd say most people report what they weighed, which is whatever salt they have available in whatever purity they could get. In general - and this is especially true of compounds that are commonly available in various salt forms and purities - there is a problem that it's never communicated in the drug using communities which form is referenced. This is why I typically explicitly state the salt form when writing trip reports. Even so the salt can be hydrated or anhydrous, problems with purity, etc.

But I'd never expect anyone to calculate for the freebase, that would be expecting too much lol I'm happy if people use a scale so they can tell me what they weighed, and even then one can find frequent reports of people weighing 100 mg instead of 10 mg in the internet because they have problems with decimals x)

 

[Innerpeace]

can freebase be drank in water?

 

[idle_curiosity]

can freebase be drank in water?

The freebase doesn't really dissolve in water but yes you can drink it as a suspension, it tastes awful though. I'd suggest 'bombing' it instead. Your stomach is full of HCl so it just gets turned into the salt when it gets there.

 

[Pastel]

For me it's a pure sex drug. 3-5mg = 5-7 full body orgasms. Strong prostate activation. (I am straight). Once in the very beginning of my experience with it, I tried to go dancing on it. I felt weak and sweaty. Didn't feel healthy, didn't like it. But combined with 6-APB, it is an awesome for raving. When taking it to bed, It's possible to redose for 5-6 hours of fucking. But a few times when I took by accident ~10mg as a first doze, both I, and the lady that night felt strung out and overdriven. I don't know how many times I've taken the drug, but I've consumed over 750 mg from Fox Chemicals with chicks to bed since 2011.
I also had 5-Meo-Dipt and 5-Meo-Eipt. Both of them feel rougher and 5-Meo-Dipt is known for sending women to emergency room with abdominal pains, only to be released in a few hours. I speculate the reason is that it has a higher affinity for Vagus nerve in women. Blue 5-Meo-Mipt with fillers that was supposed to go into pressed pill available from Canadian vendors during last 4 years is something else.

 

[unodelacosa]

I've consumed over 750 mg from Fox Chemicals with chicks to bed since 2011.

Chickssss, mannnnnnnn… haha, look I'm not trying to break balls or be a P.C. baby here, but it's worth noting, some women take offense to the term, "chicks". It's not particularly highbrow, and kinda looks odd when coupled with a story of taking women to bed with drugs involved. Obviously, I know the deal, and I've had lots of drug-fueled, porn-style sex myself, much of it on 5-MeO-MiPT and/or 5-MeO-DiPT … also, separately, 2C-B and 2C-B-FLY are both great for sexual enhancement. Methamphetamine + GHB/GBL + a PDE-5 inhibitor is amazing, Allylescaline is nice, in fact generally phenethylamines are aphrodisiacal. But I digress.

I also had 5-Meo-Dipt and 5-Meo-Eipt.

Never got around to trying 5-MeO-EiPT. Worth checking out?

Both of them feel rougher and 5-Meo-Dipt is known for sending women to emergency room with abdominal pains, only to be released in a few hours.

Oh wow, really? I had never heard that thing about the abdominal pain. 5-MeO-DiPT is known to trigger nausea at the beginning of the experience, but it dissipates fairly quickly and can be overcome with cannabis or a cola or ginger ale over ice to settle the stomach. For sure, Moxy is the better of the two for sexual purposes, but Foxy is also fairly aggressively sexual in terms of qualitative effects.

Worth noting: either drug, Moxy or Foxy can be vaporized and inhaled if heated gently in an oil burner. Usually only takes a regular bic lighter, a torch lighter can easily burn the compound. It's also effective to freebase the drug first with a pinch of baking soda and a drop of H₂O. It will seriously stain the glass pipe though, so just know that going into it.

 

[Pastel]

Never got around to trying 5-MeO-EiPT. Worth checking out?


Oh wow, really? I had never heard that thing about the abdominal pain. 5-MeO-DiPT is known to trigger nausea at the beginning of the experience, but it dissipates fairly quickly and can be overcome with cannabis or a cola or ginger ale over ice to settle the stomach. For sure, Moxy is the better of the two for sexual purposes, but Foxy is also fairly aggressively sexual in terms of qualitative effects.

Worth noting: either drug, Moxy or Foxy can be vaporized and inhaled if heated gently in an oil burner. Usually only takes a regular bic lighter, a torch lighter can easily burn the compound. It's also effective to freebase the drug first with a pinch of baking soda and a drop of H₂O. It will seriously stain the glass pipe though, so just know that going into it.

You can't get 5-MeO- Eipt. I've seen only one batch. And if you ever come across, definitely get it and PM me. 5-MeO-Mipt is gentle. After you have taken it 3-4 times, you are now longer the subject to its initial gastric and bladder evacuation effects. No nausea, no need to run to the bathroom every 15 minutes. After your body adjusts to it, when it hits, just like with Damiana, you first feel its antidepressant effect. Then there are flat colorless circles on the surface and increasing electric sexual feel. 5-Meo-DIPT onset is much rougher and stronger. 5-MeO-EiPT seats between them. Stronger than 5-MeO-MIPT, but still without the unpleasant edge.

In regard to 5-Meo-DIPT causing gastric distress in women, you can read multiple accounts on Erowid. I believed that's what led to its ban.
I notices that the same thing happens with 1,4 BDO. Guys don't have an issue with it, but women, after initial pleasant phase are either nauseous or have to run to the bathroom for number 2.

 

[unodelacosa]

You can't get 5-MeO- Eipt.

I've seen it on some market somewhere…

I've seen only one batch.

I wonder if it's the same one.

And if you ever come across, definitely get it and PM me.

Likewise.

5-MeO-Mipt is gentle. After you have taken it 3-4 times, you are now longer the subject to its initial gastric and bladder evacuation effects. No nausea, no need to run to the bathroom every 15 minutes. After your body adjusts to it, when it hits, just like with Damiana, you first feel its antidepressant effect.

I've taken Moxy probably several dozen times or more, and I've taken Foxy (5-MeO-DiPT) almost as many times, and I've combined them, even. I was dubious that 5-MeO-EiPT had but so much activity or that it was novel enough to be easily distinguishable from Foxy. I take your word for it and am curious to experience this difference now myself.

Foxy has been around in my world since ~2000 when some ppl in the east coast rave scene introduced it to everyone with a basic tablet press and telling people it was "like ecstasy". This was something of a problem bc at the time in the scene many ppl were used to dropping two pills right off the bat, and some people combined it with MDMA or MDA straight away. So ravers were on the dance floor having intense hallucinatory experiences. Eventually those guys all caught a federal beef under the 1980's Analog Act. They even sought and received help on their appeal from Dr. Alexander Shulgin who provided a certified letter for the courts expressing his opinion regarding the drug not being an analog, in the strict sense, of anything scheduled

Then there are flat colorless circles on the surface and increasing electric sexual feel. 5-Meo-DIPT onset is much rougher and stronger. 5-MeO-EiPT seats between them. Stronger than 5-MeO-MIPT, but still without the unpleasant edge.

For that matter, there is a 5-MeO-PiPT, 5-MeO-DBT, and tons of different combinations/permutations of these various moieties substituted in and out.

In regard to 5-Meo-DIPT causing gastric distress in women, you can read multiple accounts on Erowid. I believed that's what led to its ban.

I didn't know it was so specific to women. I know it nauseates some men who take it, too. I think it just depends on the person, though you have an interesting theory about the vagus nerve…

I notices that the same thing happens with 1,4 BDO. Guys don't have an issue with it, but women, after initial pleasant phase are either nauseous or have to run to the bathroom for number 2.

Yuck, I hate 1,4-BDO. I know it's a pro-drug to GHB, but somehow GBL and GHB are both superior to 1,4-BDO. Here's something interesting: 1,4-BDO is 1,4-butanediol… so it's a butane molecule with its 4 carbon groups and on either end of it is attached a hydroxy bond. Hence the "diol" part. But now if you were to replace each hydroxy group with an amine you would have 1,4-butanediamine, aka Putrescine. Together with cadaverine, it is largely responsible for the foul odor of putrefying flesh, but also contributes to other unpleasant odors. And btw cadaverine (note the word root) is in fact 1,5-pentanediamine.

 

[Innerpeace]

I didn't know it was so specific to women. I know it nauseates some men who take it, too. I think it just depends on the person, though you have an interesting theory about the vagus nerve…

Type O blood type, positive or negative are known to have stomach issues. Its they're downfall. Im one of these people. Stomach difficulty my whole life since as far back. Easy to catch bacteria in there, if not meticulously taken care of. This is why if possible I prefer subq injections . Ive never done this drug. Ive sub qed 4 aco dmt and that worked fine. 6 apb sub qed broke me out in hives , instantly, heart racing super fast.

 

[SuperPsych]

Has anyone here tried NB-5-Meo-MiPT? It apparently acts as a prodrug to 5-MeO-Mipt when introduced to heat aka vaped/smoked. Tho I think technically it wouldn't be a prodrug since the conversion isn't happening within the body.

Regardless, anyyone try this stuff or am I the only one who picked some up? 5-MeO-Mipt is probably my 2nd fav tryptamine after 4-HO-Mipt. I'm curious if MiPT would be my favorite base tryptamine. I have yet to try 5-MeO-Dipt, tho I might this summer.

I tried it once but I was on some dissos and other psychedelics and I did a very small amount. It definitely felt A LOT like Moxy, but I has this sensation of the Moxy having saran wrap around it. It was weird. Felt like moxy but plastic?

 

[unodelacosa]

Type O blood type, positive or negative are known to have stomach issues. Its they're downfall. Im one of these people. Stomach difficulty my whole life since as far back. Easy to catch bacteria in there, if not meticulously taken care of. This is why if possible I prefer subq injections . Ive never done this drug. Ive sub qed 4 aco dmt and that worked fine. 6 apb sub qed broke me out in hives , instantly, heart racing super fast.

That's fascinating. Do we know why this is? What about type O blood causes this reaction? Has this been tested and evaluated or is it based on anecdotal evidence so far?

In regard to 5-Meo-DIPT causing gastric distress in women, you can read multiple accounts on Erowid. I believed that's what led to its ban.

Oh yeah, I forgot address this… So you think that a quasi-legal gray-market drug not intended for human consumption was banned because it causes gastric distress in women? I highly doubt that's accurate, and is instead entirely because it's a psychedelic drug, plain and simple.