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Missykins

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Hi guys,

I made a previous post about how much weight gain (started at 110#, now at 140# over 18 months) I have experienced on 300 mg
of Seroquel.

I've been talking with my doctor (which is a lot like talking to a wall, frankly) and he recommended Topamax. I hear that its
nickname is Stup-a-Max, and Dope-A-Max because it makes you stupid. Anyone out there taking this med?

Also under consideration is Geodon (sorry if I didn't spell it right). Does that make you as fat as Seroquel? Frankly, I'm tired of all
the meds I take.
 
Yes, it would work on losing weight. proof via my cousin. But once you stop taking it to suppress your appetite you will just gain the weight back.

When I lost weight, (40 pounds) I took pills called Lipo 6 (they have it for men or women), I lost the weight just over summer. Im a pretty healthy eating, and I wouldnt say Im really active, but Im not lazy, I like to just go walk around or something. It worked for me. At the time I worked in a concession stand at a country club, So when I woke up I took a pill, and I took a pill before lunch (I usually ate a grilled cheese or something there) and then another pill when I started getting hungry again. I think you can take up to like 4 pills a day.

You should check into it. I started at 160( weight from pills also) and went to 120, no I maintain from 117-123.
 
Hmm well I honestly doubt the topamax will be strong enough to counter seroquels sedative effects. When I was on seroquel I also gained weight. And I was working out a ton at the time as I usually like to keep myself lean. I don't know a lot about topamax but honestly there are so many other routes you can take in terms of speeding up your metabolism.

First thing I'd take note of are bowel movements and how often you are going. Constipation is usually a pretty big culprit along with a decrease in adrenal output on sedative drugs like seroquel. What helped me the most were a few things, more of a cocktail than anything. And just for the record I use to compete years ago for bodybuilding so I like to think my advice is pretty sound.

First go out and buy yourself a jug of metamucil. Than disregard the dosing regimen on the bottle as thats for a normal person not on medicines like seroquel. I'd personally bump the dose from the recommended 1 tsp daily to 1 tbsp daily. But theres also a certain way I take my fiber which is to first dissolve it in 1 cup of steaming hot water. If you use warm water it will get chunky and will not dissolve right. Stir it around for a few minutes till all the clumps are gone, and then add another 2 cups of cold water and some ice.

You will notice the metamucil will gel almost like jello but you will still be able to drink it. I can explain a lot about fiber but the main thing is that the MORE water you take in with fiber, the more and more it will keep your intenstines empty. I am able now to keep absolutely nothing in my intenstines the second I eat everything seems to come right out and I like it that way. Thats how a healthy body should work in terms of metabolism. But if you are eating meals, and still not pooping right after them, chances are you may need a bit more fiber/water. So what I do is down the drink (I get cherry which tastes great), and afterwards will down a tall glass of water on top of that. Although thats something optional (the extra glass not the fiber lol) and as long as you stay hydrated throughout the day you'll be fine.

Just don't forget though that drinks like metamucil are COMPLETELY worthless if you aren't drinking water or keeping yourself hydrated. If you can't do that, its not even worth taking imo as you will just poop the fiber out and it won't gel properly in your intenstines.

Do this everyday for as long as you are on the seroquel. And do not expect anything in 1-2 days. It takes about a week for your intestines to flush out and build a solid coat of fiber/gel within the walls. Its completely healthy and once food moves in at that point it will move through your system a lot faster.

Now other optional things that will destroy topamax.

Let me briefly explain what the top 3 compounds are right now for losing bodyfat and speeding up metabolism. These are all also widely available in the US and cheap/easy to purchase.

There are ECA stacks. This is ephedrine hydrochloride, caffiene and aspirin. Aspirin acting as a potentiator which it does well. It thins you blood which allows the ephedrine and caffiene to be processed both quicker and more efficiently. ECA stacks are great for raisng your metabolism. However never go beyond 2 weeks of everyday use as these compounds (especially ephedrine) can make you shakey. Although the reason for 2 weeks is due to unneccessary increased strain on the heart and a reach in homeostatis and tolerance to the stimulants. Its usually always smarter to switch to something different or stop 100%.

Next there is clenbuterol. Available as a research chemical and about 3 times stronger than ECA stacks. Clen works by raising your internal body temperature up about 2-3 degrees. And it also increases heart rate, respiration, although for me it tends to have less shakey sides than ephedrine does. I just like it better cause it makes you sweat like a pig anytime you do cardio and I feel much more chill on it than ECA stacks.

THEN there is the hardcore "top all" fat burning supplement. It is not available as a research chemical in the US however it is still legal and available to buy. It is called "T3". Don't be mistaken though T3 is not a joke of a compound to fuck with. This is the same exact shit most professional body builders use to cut down serious fat weeks before competing. And it is wayyyy stronger than Clenbuterol. You WILL be shakey on it. You will feel strung out and hyper all the time. You will sweat even when you're not working out. It also puts a toll on the heart but when you limit yourself to 2 weeks with these compounds they are still for the most part safe. What I do is "bridging" where I do ECA for 2 weeks, then clen for 2 weeks, then T3 for 2 weeks. But if you are a female which I'm assuming you are from your weight, stay away from T3 because it will likely shrink your breast size its just too powerful a compound for females to be messing with.

Another one of my favorite metabolism boosters although fairly weak, is "bitter orange". Its a synephrine containing compound that definitely helps burn fat and boost metabolism. This is one of those compounds you can take everyday for months at a time. Kinda as a "base" to take along with everything else. Bitter orange although weak, is still very effective and the most safe out of all of these. And NEVER mix any of these compounds together or take them at the same time unless its bitter orange combined with something else. Just do not mix ECA with Clen, or Clen with T3 or ECA with T3 but mixing bitter orange with ECA, Clen or T3 is perfectly safe for most healthy people.

This is a very refined method and honestly you are not likely to find anything better or more effective than what I listed here. I would not fuck with stimulant laxatives especially if you are taking oral stimulants. So stick with high dose metamucil and starting with anyone of these 4 compounds. Bitter orange would be a good starting point and its cheap and widely available anywhere. If thats not strong enough than go up to ECA stacks. And if that doesnt give you the results you want Clen almost always will. I mentioned T3 more for information purposes really.

Last but not least 140lbs really isn't that bad for a female. I like thin anorexic girls but I tend to like girls that have a bit of junk in the trunk so to speak, it makes them look for feminine/attractive. So don't beat yourself up about your weight.

And realize that maniplating brain chemistry only accounts for like 30% of what you can do in totality to your body. The other 70% of results comes from diet. Meals, timing of meals, frequency and size, and most importantly micro/macro calculations based on your BF%, weight, and fat composition.

If you need any help with your diet I really would rather not waste peoples time writing shit here unless I knew first they're actually motivated to work on their diets.
But if thats something you'd like to work on too I can have you down to 90lbs in a matter of a few months easy. If you are commited to doing what I recommend. I'd also suggest trying to taper your seroquel down too. I was on that shit for only like 3 months and put on about 10lbs a month. It was horrible shit. Although it did help a lot for coming off opiates at the time. But damn once I was off that crap the fat started to just vanish. If coming off the seroquel is not feasible for you right now, then like I said you have plenty of other strategies you can use. PM me anytime you want for more info I'll be glad to help.
 
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One hundred and forty pounds doesn't sound like a lot but I'm just 5'3"! At that weight, I have a BMI of 27 which officially makes me unhealthy. My
mother, her mother, and my father's mother all died from complications associated with diabetes, so I have some serious family history to
contend with. My doctor thinks I'm just being vain, but psychs now everything, right?

Thanks for the info.
 
Yeh idk lol thats a weight that can go either way really depends on how "thick boned" you are. I do know for a fact though that I've met some extremely attractive females that were close to that height and weight. One I work with she is 5' 1" & 130lbs. She appears to have a very tiny bit of a tummy but oohh myyyy gosh the backside on that girl is one to kill for lol.

I can't speak for all men but I can speak for myself and most of my friends and I know that most of us respond to the more fundamental features of a women those features NOT being at all related to their tummy. For me its the hips. And for your own sake I really shouldn't get too deep into it. But if you have wide hips, or any curvature of the sorts going on back there I DO NOT CARE ONE TINY BIT about some stomach fat. In fact if I had the choice between a skinny girl with no ass, or a girl with a couple rolls on the tummy and a round circular protruding bottom... ohh gosh I am ALWAYS going for that round protruding bottom every single time.

You women really do not understand where your true power lies... its the hips and nothing but the hips. We are hardwired to care very little about anything else and thats just the sad truth. Although I notice younger guys (college aged guys) sometimes tend to be a bit more obsessed over boobs. I definitely don't think you are vein either. You're just a girl and its obviously normal to be concerned about these things. Just don't forget how underconcerned us men are about those things. And this is coming from a guy that considers himself to have high standards too lol.
 
Missykins said:
I would give my right arm to stop taking Seroquel. I 'm not convinced it does crap for me.
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If it makes you feel any better it was very easy for me to just stop taking my seroquel. And I also know people that were on for much longer who were able to just stop w/out really any repercussions at all. I remember having a bit of a hard time sleeping for the first few weeks but after that my brain became much clearer, I became much more "alive" overall and just like that I was back to my normal self. Its kinda a lazy drug because the whole time I was on it I just felt slow and like I wanted to sit around and not do much most the time (soma did the same thing to me).

You don't have to build it up into some huge decision though (I'm sure you know this) you can really experiment a few days and see how you feel w/out it. If you don't like it then just go back to it. But as far as trying to stop for a few days just to see how you feel I really don't see any harm in it.
 
Missykins: First of all, put precisely zero stock in BMI. It is completely worthless as any sort of metric; if it weren't, all bodybuilders would be classed as clinically obese.

I can't offer you much in the way of advice, as the weight gain is a side effect from your medication. Personally (and no offense to you Bo), I would recommend against taking ECA, Clen or T3. The heart strain and risk of overheating is just too great. T3 and Clen just seem a bit too much like fen-phen to me. Never mind that ephedrine has documented cardiotoxic properties (although the blood pressure is alleviated somewhat with the asprin). I'm sure that some people can take them seriously, but I would not look to bodybuilders for advice on how to lose weight in a health manner. On how to lose weight quickly, or how to lose weight to extremely low bodyfat levels, sure. But neither of those things are healthy.

The more important thing is: do you feel better on seroquel than any prior medication? If so, then maybe it's worth trying to work with the side effects. If not, talk to your doc and tell them you want to change meds. They will be able to suggest alternatives that will have different, potentially more readily tolerated, side effects.
 
/\ I do not reckon that to be true I've seen hundreds of people do all of these compounds and the only one that really causes any serious adverse effects is the T3 which I mentioned.

You are speaking likely in the context of a population containing mostly unhealthy people, or perhaps even drug addicts from here that abuse the compounds and try to get themselves in shape. When in the past they had 10 years of abuse with another type of stimulant. But if you go onto any sports, bodybuilding, athletic/steroids forum you will see hundreds upon hundreds of men using these compounds and complaining about very little. In fact a lot of them complain that ECA and Clen are weak. And so many splurge for the T3 then bitch about being too strung out.

HOWEVER, the point is if you follow 2 week cycles, and limit yourself to 6-8 weeks (maybe I have to point out the obvious fact that you should not "live" on these compounds) and do NOT abuse them either. No you have very little chance of harming your heart. They should also be used in work out settings, where the person has some sort of history with working out/cardio, which strenghtens both the heart and immune system. I just don't agree that they are as dangerous as you say. I see too many people using them for benefit with very little trouble afterward. If you are an addict however or have deep seeded psychological problems, history of heart issues high blood pressure in the family, then OF COURSE stay away.

But for the healthy adults, I say go right on and be smart about it.
There are farr farr more dangerous compounds that I could have refered too. Some people recommend adderal for this or another amphetamine which is terrible, ECA and Clen used in intervals is farr farr safer than anything I can almost think of. And bitter orange too.

edit: I did not mention and will not mention fen fen for a specific reason. That shit is incredibly dangerous to use for losing weight imo. Coming from online forums again. And I think if you read the prevalence of those documented cardiotoxic properties, you might change your mind. Don't forget ephedrine has existed and been taken for millions of years, just because it was recently changed in status doesn't mean its anymore dangerous than it was years ago imo.
 
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You mean thousands, I'm sure ;)

Good points Bo. You're right, I don't know a lot about those cutting aids, but that's not really the point. What I was meaning to say, but didn't come across very well, is that in my, and only my, opinion, more pills aren't necessarily the answer. If the weight gain is a game killer for her with respect to her mental health medication, she needs to talk to whomever prescribed those pills to her to try to sort things out. Seroquel might not be the best fit, maybe one of the alternatives that she mentioned would work better, or have better tolerated side effects.
 
Wow, I am in the same boat, having gained literally about 100 pounds from my meeds... Starting the HcG diet on Monday, but I digress....

Topamax definitely helps with weight loss. In terms of side effects....it does make you "stupid" at first mostly in you forget which word you need to use when talking. It makes you have zero appetite, and also it makes carbonated beverages like soda taste like shit... You will find yourself unable to drink Coke, Pepsi, etc. I think it is a good dug, I have been on it for a while now.

As for Geodon, I can truly say, run screaming on the other direction. First off, this drug is expensive. When I had insurance, my copay was $50.00 and insurance paid about $900.00. For one month. Secondly, this was the most sedating, stupefying drug I have ever tried. 2 doses in and I was literally drooling, unable to keep my eyes open. Bad, bad drug.

I have no experience with seroquel, but def. Give Topamax a try.

Good luck!
 
Dave said:
You mean thousands, I'm sure ;)

Good points Bo. You're right, I don't know a lot about those cutting aids, but that's not really the point. What I was meaning to say, but didn't come across very well, is that in my, and only my, opinion, more pills aren't necessarily the answer. If the weight gain is a game killer for her with respect to her mental health medication, she needs to talk to whomever prescribed those pills to her to try to sort things out. Seroquel might not be the best fit, maybe one of the alternatives that she mentioned would work better, or have better tolerated side effects.
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Well sadly prob close to 10s of thousands. I am a loser like that for sure. When you consider the millions of hits at the cutting section at steroid.com, or bb.com, or the thousands at menshealth.com, or ironmagforums... then the 8 years I've been obsessively researching diet info... and steroid info.. I've likely read more threads than even I realize.

Just so our we clear I'm not exagerating. =]
And yes I understand what you're saying. Although tbpo I'm not even really sure what we were debating in the first place. I think its getting late.
 
No no no, sorry. I meant in use for thousands of years. Humans haven't existed for more than a couple million, and even going that far back gets us into Lucy territory. Ma huang, the plant that ephedrine is extracted from, goes back (IIRC) about 3000-ish years in the traditional Chinese pharmacopeia. It may have been used before that, but without records we don't know.

Heh, I was challenging your suggestion for Missykins to take more pills, including ones that will raise body temperature, to combat seroquel-related weight gain. I think that both sides of the argument have been well presented, and she'll have to make her mind up for her own.
 
I, too, would like to avoid the use of stimulants. I have a history of substance abuse. Some of these substances may result in a positive
urine screen which would endanger my job.

Do I feel better on Seroquel? Frankly, I don't know. One thing that I do know is that it knocks me out completely. It doesn't make fall asleep any
faster, but 300 mg knocks me out for 12-13 hours. I've slept through phone calls, my alarm, the pager I carry for work, etc., all at the
prescribed dose. Out of all the medications I take, I think that lithium works the best. I actually lost weight on lithium, but once Seroquel was
added, I blew up like a balloon. It was originally added to help me sleep.
 
I am taking both seroquel and topamax. I gained alot of weight. And I got fuzzy brained. So, my doctor just gave me adderoll, still not losing the weight but I have backed off my topamax and I am not so fuzzy anymore.

I would kill to lose 50 pounds. I am sure it would help my fibromyalgia and arthritis in my back.

Anyone with information on the HCG information PM please.
 
Dave said:
Missykins: First of all, put precisely zero stock in BMI. It is completely worthless as any sort of metric; if it weren't, all bodybuilders would be classed as clinically obese.
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I have to agree with Dave re: BMI. When I was anorexic and hadn't really eaten much for months, at my lowest weight my BMI was 21, still in the "normal" range...I certainly didn't look normal or healthy.
Now that I am actually a healthy weight for me, my BMI is 26, which is on the cusp of being overweight. And I am definitely not overweight ;) In fact, the only way I can ever achieve the "normal" BMI is to not eat food for a prolonged period of time....which is not healthy :D
So Missykins, try not to rely on the BMI too much. What should matter more to you is your inner health. I mean, yes obviously excess weight is bad but if you're eating right, lots of fresh vegies and fruit, minimal sugar and no saturated fats, and if you get in some exercise each week, you should be healthy on the inside.

Which brings me on to my next point. Do you currently do any exercise? If so, how much and how frequently? If not, is it something you could consider doing? Exercise will help you to either lose some of the weight you've recently gained, or at least help to keep you from gaining even more, which will in turn help your self-esteem/confidence. But more importantly, and I'm sure you already know this, moderate to strenuous exercise releases endorphins in the brain which act as natural mood-stabilisers. When I'm exercising regularly I don't even need to be on anti-depressants! It really does help that much.

Lastly, may I suggest that if you and your doctor aren't meshing well, if he's not respecting your requests about the medications that YOU are putting in to YOUR body, perhaps think about finding a different doctor. There are thousands of doctors out there to choose from, don't feel like you have to limit yourself to this guy if you're not happy with his service.
 
I do exercise daily--I go to the gym 3-4 days per week and walk daily. Agreed about BMI, the best indicator is how I feel
and I feel lousy at this weight. Nothing in my closet fits, even my rings no longer fit me.

Anybody out there have any experience with Abilify (what a stupid name for a drug)?
 
why not just stop taking the seroquel [if it doesnt really work anyways] and than wait and see how you feel in a month and than think about trying something else.
 
Some people think thats a logical way to think and I *think in respect to harm reduction possibly it is. But I personally have never consulted with a dr one time in my recent past when its been time for me to come off a med (however with opiates/benzos/ssris sometimes you should especially if its your first time trying to taper them). I only use to do that when i was young but once I got older I realized how absurdly stupid it was.

And the reason is simple. You dr is getting PAID to keep you ON the seroquel. He will likely argue or dispute you coming off of it. After you've already made a thread here that you believe its doing nothing.

And worse. About the whole "under a drs supervision" thing. I totally respect that I really do.
But I'm wondering if you have ever came off other meds before "under a drs supervision". I've been taken off many meds so fast before "under a drs supervision" that I have been provoked nearly to wanna kill myself. I had 2 drs alone try to stop my ssri use in 1 week yes 1 week and I was sad, sick and vomiting all over the place. And I recall when I had to come off zyprexa my dr didn't even taper he just stopped my prescripton like a lot of drs also do when they get fed up with their patients.

Thats just for you to sit and think about while your dr tells you he wants to keep you on the seroquel.
I also never saw seroquel as a physically addictive drug that needs careful monitoring to come off of. It acts like an antihistamine for what I know and most people do not go through a "significant" discontinuation syndrome stopping use. And this is just my own opinion but I have ALWAYS had easier times coming off my meds by reading how other people tapered online and succeeded. Vs what my doctor told me which was always "you need to stay on".

Anyway you might get itchy and a bit of insomnia stopping it on your own but by all means wait for your dr. I guarantee there will be another thread like this in 3 months about how you're still on the seroquel if you have that much faith in what your dr says. Just some food for thought. And good luck getting off that horrible junk. It IS smart to wanna do it under a drs supervision (ok lets just say smart is relative word) but for me it was not smart it was always a trap and as long as I kept asking my dr he kept saying "I really think you should stay on it". This was like 3 years ago when I decided on my own to never go back and see him and that was that.

Thats my real last comment I don't wanna so obviously advise against the grain of "harm reduction" but another side of me tells you you're in more harm listening to exactly what your dr says. =] I mean this may piss some people off but really just look at what it did to Michael Jackson.
 
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