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Is addiction a weakness?

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I guess it probably depends on everyone's individual circumstances. To look at it another way, I don't think addiction is a strong choice. I think it can often develop as a coping mechanism, then once it becomes a habit it can be self sustaining even if the original reasons for using are gone. I do think that addicts are unfairly stigmatised though. Most people have some coping mechanisms or bad habits - drug use just happens to be more conspicuous than most. It also seems to be a fast track to make all your problems ten times worse.

I don't know whether this is a discussion worthy topic or not, but hopefully some people have some thoughts to add.
 
Hmmmmmmmm. I have been thinking this lately.

I don't think it is a weakness at all. Alcoholism is in a different category, I personally hate drinking to get pissed it is fuckin disgusting. There is really no reason for someone to drink to excess, as the effects are NOT enjoyable. I don't care if people say they love being drunk, it is not possible to love a feeling of that kind.

Drug use on the other hand, if one develops a HABIT (addiction), which makes them feel better, function easier, work better, have more fun in life, I don't see it as an addiction as such. HOWEVER, when these HABITS cross a line and begin to do the opposite of why your originally began using those same drugs, and affecting your day to day life in a negative way, it could possibly be looked upon as a weakness. Still, I personally don't see it as this.

The MAJORITY of people who have experienced addiction (myself included), have mostly came through it and are possibly now only using certain drugs for certain reasons (as I am). Also some for the pure recreational value (but in much smaller doses). People who cannot beat it by themselves are not weak, just need a little (or a lot) more help than the other MAJORITY.

I hope this makes sense, I am typing what is coming out of my brain.
 
^ Glad to know the authority on what feelings are possible to be enjoyed is here 8)

I personally LOVE drinking, and being drunk, so believe me when I say its possible and trust me I have tried pretty much everything mainstream and then some. Alcohol actually IS a drug, so I fail to see why you are bothering to make a distinction between the two, if alcoholism is a weakness then drug addiction is a weakness by default, I just thought I would point that out to you. Furthermore, it is entirely possible to become addicted to something you don't think is pleasant, ask a lot of old time smokers who just can't quit just how much they enjoy their drug of choice. You also get people addicted to alcohol who enjoy the feeling of tipsy but not getting drunk. I am sorry but what you said is just so ignorant in my opinion and as someone who drinks a lot and supports peoples right to use whatever substance they choose it shits me off to see childish drug elitism like that.

More on topic, I can't help but feel in most cases that addiction is a weakness. I can't speak for everyone or all cases, but I do know that the drugs I have become addicted to don't always reflect the drugs that I enjoy the most but the drugs which I have a specific purpose for using. I feel like most of my addictions have been a crutch for one thing or another that a more well adjusted or 'normal' person would have dealt with in a more permanent and less self destructive manner. Even in cases where the desire to use the drug is not based on masking other symptoms or being used as a crutch, staying on drugs all the time despite them (presumably atleast in some way if your addicted) having a negative impact on your life is definately the easier choice.

That said I don't think that a person having a weakness, addiction or otherwise, is something that deserves to be looked down upon. We all have weaknesses and issues that we must deal with and giving people shit for theirs is unproductive at best and at worst it helps to compound the problem.
 
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Everyone has weaknesses. They all show in different ways. Some people hide theirs behind a facade until it cracks and it all comes streaming out. Others are more open, whether it's blowing pay checks on poker machines, drinking or using drugs.

The world is a fucked place and almost all of us have problems and issues inside us that we only channel through some means that is somewhat self-destructive. For me it's drugs; I can use them recreationally, but a big part of dealing with my weaknesses is using excessive amounts and pushing my mental heath to the edge. I've posted about this in the Dark Side before. Everyone has weaknesses; it's just how we deal with them and, in this climate, how people judge us for it.
 
My personal opinion is that addiction is only a weakness if it significantly interferes with ones responsibilities and mental stability. I've been addicted to both benzos and opiates, and have been able to successfully kick both largely because I was able to rely on the support of my family and close friends. Since I could depend on their encouragement, I believe that I had far fewer cravings than I would have had I become estranged from them as a result of my addictions. Thus, if all the important details are unaffected, I feel that addiction, particularly a physical, is no more of a weakness than some unimportant dietary restriction.
 
drug_mentor said:
^ Glad to know the authority on what feelings are possible to be enjoyed is here 8)

I personally LOVE drinking, and being drunk, so believe me when I say its possible and trust me I have tried pretty much everything mainstream and then some. Alcohol actually IS a drug, so I fail to see why you are bothering to make a distinction between the two, if alcoholism is a weakness then drug addiction is a weakness by default, I just thought I would point that out to you. Furthermore, it is entirely possible to become addicted to something you don't think is pleasant, ask a lot of old time smokers who just can't quit just how much they enjoy their drug of choice. You also get people addicted to alcohol who enjoy the feeling of tipsy but not getting drunk. I am sorry but what you said is just so ignorant in my opinion and as someone who drinks a lot and supports peoples right to use whatever substance they choose it shits me off to see childish drug elitism like that.
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WHOAH Calm down mate... My dad IS addicted to Alcohol so I know it's possible to love it. A bottle or two of Vodka and a slab of beer EVER night for the past 15 years of my fathers life, yes I KNOW ITS ADDICTION. How dare you call me ignorant. This is MY opinion, as I consider alcohol a drug yes but not and CHEMICAL drug. Ah fuck it now I am confused. EASE up pal. People have different reasons for different things they believe. Goodness me.
 
Mr. Tambourine Man said:
My personal opinion is that addiction is only a weakness if it significantly interferes with ones responsibilities and mental stability. I've been addicted to both benzos and opiates, and have been able to successfully kick both largely because I was able to rely on the support of my family and close friends. Since I could depend on their encouragement, I believe that I had far fewer cravings than I would have had I become estranged from them as a result of my addictions. Thus, if all the important details are unaffected, I feel that addiction, particularly a physical, is no more of a weakness than some unimportant dietary restriction.
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You sound like me, exactly. Nice to meet you mate!
 
AyahuascaSeeker13 said:
WHOAH Calm down mate... My dad IS addicted to Alcohol so I know it's possible to love it. A bottle or two of Vodka and a slab of beer EVER night for the past 15 years of my fathers life, yes I KNOW ITS ADDICTION. How dare you call me ignorant. This is MY opinion, as I consider alcohol a drug yes but not and CHEMICAL drug. Ah fuck it now I am confused. EASE up pal. People have different reasons for different things they believe. Goodness me.
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Funny how this contradicts your previous quote in which you said; "I don't care if people say they love being drunk, it is not possible to love a feeling of that kind." That is NOT an opinion, that is telling others what opinion they are allowed to have, I will stand by my claim that you are ignorant because you seem not to recognise that just because you have a certain opinion that doesn't neccessarily make it typical of everyone else.

I don't see how alcohol isn't a chemical? I actually happen to know for a fact that it is one. Yes, it is not the most refined drug but if you take your average 37-40% pure spirits that is purer than most street drugs that you are going to see. It causes amongst the most severe physical withdrawal symptoms of any recreational chemical I am personally aware of as well as being one of the most (maybe THE most?) abused recreational substances on the globe.

I never said you didn't know its an addiction, in fact the impression I got from your previous post is that it WAS an addiction but that it was lesser than drugs and that alcoholics were weak.

I wont derail this thread any further but to me the first statement you made is pig ignorant and just like your entitled to your "opinion" that others could not possibly enjoy alcohol I am entitled to mine that your fucking ignorant.
 
That has got to be the funniest thing I've read in a very long time, and I read a lot. Have a quick look under drug_mentor's username. The part where it says "Moderator", in bold, may appeal to you.

Also, I agree with d_m 100%.
 
Ah well, 70mg IM MXE plus 60mg insufflated and 10 etizolams and BL don't go hand in hand I see. Whatever, he's a fuckhead cause of the way he speaks to people. Give me a strike, whatever mate. I'ts a computer not real life, in real life i'd be sitting here smiling with his ass crying for being a rat to my face in public.
 
^lol^

On topic: It's difficult to live without at least one addiction, and then there'd be those that classify certain addictions as "small pleasures". Where do you draw the line between that distinction?

This is a good topic, for discussion - hopefully it's cleaned up by the morning.

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I am going to eat my previous words and respond to your idiocy once more. You are ignorant and clearly struggle with the english language, since you have managed to contradict yourself a couple of times in this short thread.

I am not going to give you a warning, I wont give you the satisfaction of making it personal. You criticize how I speak to people, what about you proclaiming that everyone who claims to enjoy alcohol (of which I am one) is basically a liar? Even since I pulled you up on it with an opinion different than your own all you have done is whinge and make me out to be a bad guy for voicing my disagreement. Think about the shit you are speaking, its fine for you to make comments against drinkers but me calling you ignorant is over the line? Seems to me you have a bit of an ego problem mate.

I find your need to dicksize how macho you are in real life exceptionally comical. Yes, Ayahuasca Seeker, you are a big powerful man and if this conversation had taken place in real life I would be cowering at your endless might. :p

Out of respect to this forum and to the OP, I am bowing out of this thread, this shit has gotten too off track and I should really know better than to engage idiots like you in discussions like this... Sorry folks!
 
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No worries d_m. I personally enjoy reading a debate between someone who sounds articulate vs someone who's argument devolves into name calling and childishness.

Honestly, I'm surprised there's not more like it on BL.

Sorry OP, I like the thread topic but I'm lying in bed feeling shitty so my brilliant response on topic will have to wait.
 
AyahuascaSeeker13 said:
Oh shut up idiot. Mods, get in here and delete this dumb cunts ranting.
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EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL to the max.

love your posts ayahuasca, u crack me up!

:D

i'll edit this post tomorrow in the morning and put in my 2cents about this topic. for now i'm too tired.
but

Your post made my day <3
 
Hahahahaha yeah that post was gold. I'm gona get some much needed sleep aswell and contribute when I can't put up with typing on my phone but for now, to sum it up in brief, I guess addiction can be a sign of weakness, but it really varies from person to person on how it's perceived
 
I was addicted to Hydrocodone and Oxycodone for 2 years straight, and in my honest opinion an addiction is without a doubt a weakness. However, I believe it's a weakness we choose. Every single person has a weakness and a strength. Life is about balance, thus opposites only exist in relation to each other. Nobody on this planet is without both a strength and a weakness.

An addiction is a choice we make in ourselves. I chose it to block out the negativity in my life, the shit I chose to ignore. It made me feel complete, like I could be who I wanted to be, but only when I was under the influence. In the moment, it feels like a positive addition to life, when in retrospect it's a negative and only takes away.

Addiction is not fun. And in all honesty, I'm baffled when I hear people talk about addiction being a disease. Being a person who went through a strong opiate addiction, I couldn't disagree more. It's a choice we make within ourselves. We can claim to be unaware of the problem, but that's only because we choose to ignore it. I know people may disagree with me, but it's my personal opinion on a subject I've dealt with first hand.
 
^ I think addiction is both a choice and a disease. Mm, maybe 'disease' isn't the right word, but I believe that addiction does have a material basis. Choices cause physical changes in the brain which strengthen pathways related to using the drug and make it harder and harder to make a different choice.

A lot of people will describe becoming 'more' addicted the more they use/abuse a drug, and I think this is reflective of the changes the drug/addiction is causing in the brain. Given this thought too, it seems to make sense that people with different brain strutures will be more or less susceptible to addiction in the first place. In this sense, it'd be hard for anyone to say whether or not someone has made a 'weak' choice, when they don't know that person's reality.
 
headdah said:
EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL to the max.

love your posts ayahuasca, u crack me up!

:D

i'll edit this post tomorrow in the morning and put in my 2cents about this topic. for now i'm too tired.
but

Your post made my day <3
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I was fucking out of it BAD last night...

I APOLOGISE FOR MY IGNORANT AND STUPID POSTS... No more BL with MXE/Pot/Etizolam for me...

I'm glad I made some of you laugh though from my stupidity. Hahahhahahaha

Anyway, let us move on and continue this thread.
 
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