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Strong Marquis and Simon A&B Reaction for MDxx But Was Bunk!

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TooChill

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I recently purchased a gram of molly and it tested strong for mdma but it certainly wasn't. I ingested about 100mg, enough for a good roll. Within 30min I felt a mild buzz accompanied a mild stomach ache. After about an hour without any noticeable increase in psychoactive sensations I decided to drop another 50mg along w/ a few xtra strength Tums to help settle the stomach. This unfortunately only increased the stomach pain which increased into the worst abdomen pain I can ever recall having. I was literally keeled over in pain, putting pressure on my upper abdomen was the only solution to tamper down the pain just a bit. The pain became unbearable and thoughts of taking myself to the ER raced through my mind. Instead I decided to take a few vicodin, oxycodone, a couple of somas and 1mg of xanax to help relax and ease the pain. After another 30 min my body began to reject all that I had put into my system and I had a nice long puking session in the toilet. Within minutes the stomach pain dramatically subsided and I began to feel much better.

Anyone out there have a common experience w/ similar product? What the hell could it have been? There is one last thing to consider that might have contributed to the ill experience but I have yet to find proof of any correlation...About an hour before I dropped the molly or w/e it was, I took about 0.5g-1g of 5-HTP. What ya think? All info and insight into what may have responsible for the bad experience is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Peace....................TC
 
Nobody can possible tell you what you took.

These testing kids are pretty limited in what they do. You could get something pretty weak and adulterated and it will test positive. And because the MDA/MDMA colour is the darkest it makes it hard to know if there are also other chems in there that Marquis tests for. Plus Marquis only tests for a limited range of chemicals as does Simons.

So you can get blends of chemicals that contain MDMA that test OK but are shit.
 
Ya that's what I figured as well. I'd think one who has actually synthesized the stuff or put adulterants in it may have some insight into what it could have been.

Also am interested if anyone is able to touch upon the massive preload dose of 5-HTP. I've read some say it may inhibit the roll and maybe with the large dose I took it may have contributed to the adverse reactions. Can anyone chime in on that?
 
TooChill said:
I recently purchased a gram of molly and it tested strong for mdma but it certainly wasn't. I ingested about 100mg, enough for a good roll. Within 30min I felt a mild buzz accompanied a mild stomach ache. After about an hour without any noticeable increase in psychoactive sensations I decided to drop another 50mg along w/ a few xtra strength Tums to help settle the stomach. This unfortunately only increased the stomach pain which increased into the worst abdomen pain I can ever recall having. I was literally keeled over in pain, putting pressure on my upper abdomen was the only solution to tamper down the pain just a bit. The pain became unbearable and thoughts of taking myself to the ER raced through my mind. Instead I decided to take a few vicodin, oxycodone, a couple of somas and 1mg of xanax to help relax and ease the pain. After another 30 min my body began to reject all that I had put into my system and I had a nice long puking session in the toilet. Within minutes the stomach pain dramatically subsided and I began to feel much better.

Anyone out there have a common experience w/ similar product? What the hell could it have been? There is one last thing to consider that might have contributed to the ill experience but I have yet to find proof of any correlation...About an hour before I dropped the molly or w/e it was, I took about 0.5g-1g of 5-HTP. What ya think? All info and insight into what may have responsible for the bad experience is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Peace....................TC
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How was the reaction? I tested some stuff once with a marquis that had a funky reaction - at first it just bubbled clear fizz and then after a second turned yellow with fizz, then it turned black.

I suspect it was mostly piperazines with MDxx because I took some and felt similar. Crappy pills.

If you ever have molly that bubbles BEFORE it changes color, that is bad. If you test molly it should go straight black when it bubbles, not delayed as observed in the stuff I tested.

I knew the pills were fucked before I took them, I told my wife and she did not want to try one. I did because I wanted to make sure. Yep...
 
Also am interested if anyone is able to touch upon the massive preload dose of 5-HTP. I've read some say it may inhibit the roll and maybe with the large dose I took it may have contributed to the adverse reactions. Can anyone chime in on that?
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This sounds very true actually. more likely than fake MDMA that tests like the real deal.
 
well i thought that MDxx substances can be partially inactive?

For example, some MDMA could be 100% pure, but only 85% Active?
Also then i hear that the big fish can put stuff on, so that even our test kits show that its MDxx but then its not active and not work at all, perhaps like this case?
 
I don't think the 5HTP was a good idea to be honest, especially not a gram of it! I theory this should increase the chances of serotonin syndrome I believe but maybe that much kills the E?
 
Thanks for the post etarded! I'm pretty sure, if my recollection serves me right, there didn't appear to be anything funky about the tests. It seemed to bubble ( I don't recall any smoke of fizz per se) and turn black simultaneously...definitely no other color was observed. All the other tests showed strong for mdxx as well. I have about a 0.5g left, I may try a lighter dose of 50mg-75mg w/ out the preload to see if it turns out any different, just afraid of those damn abdomen pains, was not fun at all. Once I get the funds together I may send it in for a full lab analysis to find out exactly what it was.
 
But even being only 85% I would have expected at least a mild roll, especially after dosing a total of 150mg. And the stomach pain isn't usually associated with any kind of mdma, at least in my extensive experience. I'm paralyzed from the waist down and my legs always violently spasm when I take any kind of psychedelic whether it be shrooms, L, or X...it's always a benchmark for me and my friends...once my legs start to shake we know we're in for a good trip. My legs didn't even twitch with this stuff...just horrible stomach pain. Like mentioned elsewhere, 5-htp may negate the roll and perhaps it did indeed have something to do with the unfavorable experience at such a large dose. I didn't realize until after I had taken two that they were 500mg 5-htp pills...thought they were 100mg...doh! And then after I took them I read that even the low dose of 100mg taken a few hours before the roll cam diminish the effects of the mdma...i had preloaded two hours before. I'll try test the product again via the marquis tests as well as take a smaller dose and report my findings. Thanks again for the posts guys.
 
5HTP is such a dirty supplement man. It's much better to eat L-tryptorphan (the amino acid that --->5HTP), since 5HTP can breakdown in your liver and cause heart valve defect. L-tryptorphan tends to make it break down/go to the proper spots all much better.

I've heard from many that 5HTP taken hours before, or even just earlier that day, having muted rolls. I once tried this and it is not recommended since it can cause serotonin syndrome. My experience was very intense, but in a sickening un-enjoyable way :\
 
I've looked into serotonin syndrome and can't find anything in the literature that associates it with extreme abdomen pain. please link if you find anything that refutes those findings. I figured if it was cut with something that is commonly used others may have had a similar experience with the abdomen pain. But it could have been cut w/ anything I suppose, my familiarity with the synthesis and "cutting" of mdma is outside my realm. It would be great if someone with experience in that regard and with insight into what may have been ingested or contributed to the stomach pain, would chime in on the subject. Perhaps there's a better place to take this thread...?
 
TooChill said:
I've looked into serotonin syndrome and can't find anything in the literature that associates it with extreme abdomen pain. please link if you find anything that refutes those findings. I figured if it was cut with something that is commonly used others may have had a similar experience with the abdomen pain. But it could have been cut w/ anything I suppose, my familiarity with the synthesis and "cutting" of mdma is outside my realm. It would be great if someone with experience in that regard and with insight into what may have been ingested or contributed to the stomach pain, would chime in on the subject. Perhaps there's a better place to take this thread...?
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Not sure what pharmacological reason the 5HTP would cause nausea. Not sure if it's serotonin syndrome or not, but the time I took 5HTP earlier the day of the roll, it greatly fucked up the roll and gave me nausea/vomiting.
 
severely etarded said:
Not sure what pharmacological reason the 5HTP would cause nausea. Not sure if it's serotonin syndrome or not, but the time I took 5HTP earlier the day of the roll, it greatly fucked up the roll and gave me nausea/vomiting.
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Was your nausea accompanied by pain as well? I wasn't so much nauseated as I was in pain. I actually had to make myself vomit to get the shit out of my system. How much 5HTP did you take and what was the time frame you took it with the x?
 
TooChill said:
Was your nausea accompanied by pain as well? I wasn't so much nauseated as I was in pain. I actually had to make myself vomit to get the shit out of my system. How much 5HTP did you take and what was the time frame you took it with the x?
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I took it about 2 hours before the roll but I had been pre-loading for weeks. I mainly had a poisoning/sweating/dizzy nausea feeling; pain too. Was kind of like being piped.

I don't mess with 5htp supplements. I had been loading 200-300 mg/day.

I think 5htp isn't worth it. Just take long breaks and your serotoinin levels with stay fine..
 
Alright. No more 5-htp then for sure. I found a couple of decent pre loading teks but it seems that post loading is much more effective as far as inhibiting neuro-toxicity. I've never been piped before, which I assume is the term used for the ingestion of piperazine so I can't compare those experiences myself. But that night was as you described it with all the symptoms above, but more pain than anything. So now the question remains if I was piped or fucked up the mdma w/ heavy 5-htp interaction. Does pipe test strong for MDxx? Though as someone said, it could have been anything w/ safrole added....just not sure if there would be an indication during the test that would differentiate it from relatively pure mdma.
 
TooChill said:
Alright. No more 5-htp then for sure. I found a couple of decent pre loading teks but it seems that post loading is much more effective as far as inhibiting neuro-toxicity. I've never been piped before, which I assume is the term used for the ingestion of piperazine so I can't compare those experiences myself. But that night was as you described it with all the symptoms above, but more pain than anything. So now the question remains if I was piped or fucked up the mdma w/ heavy 5-htp interaction. Does pipe test strong for MDxx? Though as someone said, it could have been anything w/ safrole added....just not sure if there would be an indication during the test that would differentiate it from relatively pure mdma.
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You probably got mild-moderate serotonin syndrome.

You know serotonin is used in wasp and bee stings? it's not the only chemical in their venom, but it's one of them. 5HTP makes a lot of serotonin, then when you take MDMA with it

serotonin in high amounts is half of what makes MDMA neurotoxic. The other half is the toxicity of the molecule itself combined with the chemically-induced serotonin push = neurotoxicity.

The only way it could possibly be piperazines is if they were mixed with a little MDxx, which is unlikely and the test result would be too fizzy and the color change wouldn't happen right away.
 
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