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Alright now i need some advice.......MORPHINE E.R

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draven1321

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Alright i had a pretty shitty day. Went to the orthopedic spine specialist and that DICK:X told me that EVERY disc in my back are deteriating, and that i will probably be paralized and i basically need a whole new back. So heres my question how many MORPHINE E.R. 60 MG HOW MANY CAN U TAKE IN ONE SITTING WITHOUT OVER DOING IT? I HAVE A HIGH TOLLERANCE TO OPIATES.....
 
I'm gonna give you the same advice I give everyone asking about dosing. I would take one, see how you feel in 1.5-3 hours since its an ER drug and the most in your blood at once should be around 1.5-2 hours but varies on account of different metabolic rates. After checking how you are feeling, assess how much more you would need to feel where you want to feel. Remember that taking just one more might not sound like much, but it's double of what you already took.
 
only you know your own tolerance. i can't accurately gauge how much you should take by just saying you have "a high tolerance"

morphine is equipotent to oxycodone.
30mgs oxy = 30mgs morphine

however, morphine has a poor oral BA (roughly around 30% ) so if you plan on swallowing your pills the conversion is really
30mgs oxy = 70-80mgs morphine
 
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well the doc has it in two different doses im suppose to take 90mg a 60mg and a 30mg but it just doesnt do it. Because they dont make a 90 mg tab so i was in so much pain today where death looked pretty freaking good but i ended up taking a total of 5 30mg so 150mg of morphine and im suppose to take it every 12 hours but ends after 4-5 when could i take another dose and as 4 my tollerance i can take 7-10/325percs at once to even get anything
 
both it doesnt work unless i have to take that many i rather be out of pain more than loaded

oh 1 last thing what about mixing a couple shots of jack oh say 4-5 hours after taking them
 
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Just be careful man. I've got DDD as well, but not to the severity that you have it yet (or at least I dont think so, only MRI I've got is a year old), so I know how much pain it can put you in even in the early stages. Get yourself out of pain, but don't leave yourself at the end of the month going "Oh Fuck! I don't have enough to get me to my next Rx, and I'm hurting a shit ton!" Cause I also know how that feels about my tramadols (the 240 I get per month aren't near enough for me along with the 90 flexorils, 90 gabapentins, and 60 wellbutrin that I get, yet I deal cause I'm 19 and thankful to get even that and not be labeled a drug seeker by EVERY doctor in the area, I'm too young for hydrocodone they say. I wish pain though that, but I'm getting off topic...back to you) and it's not fun because not only are you in pain, but you're having anxiety from not having enough meds to last you. You also don't want to take so much that you make yourself OD because then you'll either be gone or you'll wake up in the ambulance in serious withdrawals from the shot of norcam (naloxone) they gave you and not know what the fuck is going on. Getting your pain down to 0 is nigh impossible and unrealistic. Getting it down to a 1-3, however is what you should be aiming for. Pain is inevitable, but misery is not.
 
Thank you Doug I know there are others like us and just hearing that shit from a so called "specialist" really put it to shit,and knowing that i might have to live in this pain for the rest of my life or be in a wheelchair. Im just so pissed and in a i dont give a shit mood. So im taking the morphine and then in a couple hours having a couple shots. The morphine just took the edge off but still hurting like hell i was at a 10 now im at an 8.Pain scale
 
Ya, life's a bitch. You're constantly in pain and paying them money to help you, but they don't give you what you actually need to get out of a decent amount of pain. Then if you ask for something stronger they discharge you and red-flag you. On top of it all, when we take these meds, their "feel-good" properties almost completely go out the door unless you take twice the dose of what you would take therapeutically. It fucking sucks lol.
 
lol that is so true bro. When i go to the e.r. they treat me like im there to get a fix and its bullshit even when i went to get my script from my regular doc he gave me some bulshit paper saying that opiates are addictive and unlawful to make falsified symptoms and i have the proof that im fucked and im seeing my doctor again tomorrow and hes getting an ass chewing too.
 
I'm afraid to chew doctors out lol. It's probably sad to say this, but I'm like the monkey dancing around for his banana when it comes to pain meds. I need them way too much.
 
shit not me if im hurting they will get an ass chewing 1st they tell me im too fat i was 451lbs and i had the gastric and now im 263 and they still wont help. What dicks and today i told that spine specialist he was a dumbass and left
 
So they aren't gonna do surgery because of your weight even though you're lighter than you were?

Is your morphine Rx standing or was it just one that you got recently to tide you over until you find something out or what?

I guess I'm just kind of confused on the situation. Which doctor told you that making up symptoms for meds is criminal activity, and who are they to tell you that you're making things up?
 
Well its my regular doctor that i have been seeing for 2 years now and never asked for my meds early until now. I ran out 1 day early of my percocets and my morphine. So i think he thinks either im selling them or taking a shit load. Ive been on the morphine and percs for 22months now. The morphine he started me on the 15mg er and then raised to 30mg er and then 60mg and now to the 90s. And for the surgery im at the right weight and im only thinking its just to much of a mess back there for his dumbass. So now im finding a 2nd opinon.
 
Ya, a lot of times you have to surgeon shop. It's not illegal to do this, but it's illegal to try and find the meds that work for you : P. I've heard of people having to talk to 3-4 different surgeons that were willing to work on them. I hope this all gets sorted out for you man.
 
So heres my question how many MORPHINE E.R. 60 MG HOW MANY CAN U TAKE IN ONE SITTING WITHOUT OVER DOING IT? I HAVE A HIGH TOLLERANCE TO OPIATES.....

Draven, as others have said only you know your tolerance, I am assuming your taking morphine sulfate CR (control Release) as these come in Controlled-Release Tablets 15 mg 30 mg 60 mg 100 mg* 200 mg*. The 100's and 200's are for DOCUMENTED opiate tolerant people only which maybe why he gave the 60MG's and the 30MG's otherwise it makes almost no sense to have given you 2 different doses of the control release, unless you have misread / misunderstood and the 30MG's are actually instant release to be taken for beak through pains, so you may want to look at that to be sure.

No one can tell you how much is safe to take because everyone is different. Also one thing that worries me is whether your taking them to get high and thats what your not getting out of the 90 Morphine ER? or are you really just not getting the pain relief that they were prescribed for?

well the doc has it in two different doses im suppose to take 90mg a 60mg and a 30mg but it just doesnt do it. Because they dont make a 90 mg tab so i was in so much pain today where death looked pretty freaking good but i ended up taking a total of 5 30mg so 150mg of morphine and im suppose to take it every 12 hours but ends after 4-5 when could i take another dose and as 4 my tollerance i can take 7-10/325percs at once to even get anything

Your tolerence you mention above is really not for comparison as percs and morphine are two different animals. Morphone is a stand alone opaite and the percs you mentioned are 10MG Oxycodone and 325 MG"S APAP or Acetaminophen which is an NSAID (non steroidal anti-inflamatory). So your talking about 70MG's of Oxy and 1300-1625MG's of the APAP. First point to that is taking that much Acetaminophen ESCPECIALLY cinsidering you mentioned later about downing your meds with Jack no matter how many hours after is never ever a good idea and I would never recommend it escpecially at the dosages your mentioning and DEFINITELY NOT with the percs as APAP at 2275MG per 24 hours by itself can be fatal (although studies have shown that you can take between 3000-4000MG's per 24hr, but the FDA has recently revised that the total amount per 24 hr's be dropped to 2000-3000MG per 24hrs as it can become very toxic to your liver) due to it's effects on your liver let alone adding some drinks on top of that. I definitely would not drink alcohol with any opiates, it's just a bad bad idea. (And I know what I'm talking about here because I am 37 years old with End Stage Liver Disease brought on by a number of factors but 2 of those factors were alcohol and medications (and I was not abusing either) and I now live in constant visceral pain in my abdomen, that I just got under control after 2 years of trial and error),

I did a conversion on an online calculator for Oxycodone to morphine and it says that if you take 70MGs Oxy that would be approx equililant to 105MGs of morphine, though that probably a bit on the high side as I did not include any tolerances so with a 40-50% tolerance it's closer to one on one 70MG Oxy to 70MG morphine.

Remember this site is about taking your meds safely so having said that you should take it as perscribed however if that is not working for you and the 30MG's morphines are infact ER and not instant release you could try just chewing one up and that will breakdown the morphine to become pretty much 30Mg's instant release so you will get all 30MG's all in one shot as apposed to 30MG's over a 12 hour or so period with the ER's. Again, I'm not advocating doing that but only you know your tolerance. Taking 60MG's ER and a 30MG IR may be way to high for some and not even close for someone else. We can't tell you what to take. Hopefully if anything you'll have read this and learned a little something about taking your meds safely and be able to judge for yourself what you should take and how much, as thats the best I can offer.

Best of luck and hope you get your pain and your back under control.
 
Actually, acetaminophen isn't an NSAID : P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaminophen

If it was an NSAID it would cause stomach issues as opposed to liver hepato-toxicity.

And you don't face acute liver toxicity until you hit 10-20gs (10,000-20,000mgs) in a 24-hour period. What you are speaking of is long-term chronic use. It will cause damage over time, but so will everything else you do.
 
Thank u i appreciate the info. And i am surgeon shopping 4 sure not for other scripts and wont do that. I only get my pain scripts from 1 doctor. Im not going to lie i do take more than prescribed at times of major pain,but not on a daily basis. I hate goimg thru this crap i would give my left nut to get out of this pain
 
I'm the same way. Was just mentioning the irony of the different types of shopping that is "illegal." I try to keep to my 8 pills/day as well, but always end up at the end cutting a dose out of my day, because just taking 1 pill doesn't do jack shit for me, might as well cut out a dose. And ya, I can't have my legs extended completely forward (let alone extend my legs forward while sitting down without having the recliner do it for me lol) and bend my toes back without causing sharp stabbing pain in my back. I think that's a mixture of sciatica as well as muscular atrophy do to the sedentary lifestyle attributed to pain.
 
Taking the one dose here is like just giving me a childrens chewable tylenol it doesnt work, but as soo as you take more than prescribed oh shit watchout its dangerous ur an addict and shit like that. Well if the damn doctors would get it correct and quit trying to make so much money off of everyone then .we wouldnt take so much to get outta of pain. Dont get me wrong i like to get high because i feel great and absolutely no pain. But would rather be pain free than high anytime of the day.
 
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