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Flickering
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Hah, well that's a new one. What are some of these ideas? Whatever they are, I guarantee not everyone knew them.
Maybe what you're feeling is that you're accessing knowledge and ideas that have been available to humankind for a while now? Bill Hicks talks about how we're all one mind experiencing itself subjectively, then you take 5g of shrooms and see it for yourself... that's the closest I can think to what you're describing.
Maybe what you're feeling is that you're accessing knowledge and ideas that have been available to humankind for a while now? Bill Hicks talks about how we're all one mind experiencing itself subjectively, then you take 5g of shrooms and see it for yourself... that's the closest I can think to what you're describing.
Black Octagon MK 2
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Maybe you're discovering things that YOU always knew, but didn't know you knew.
George_Jung
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^I like that.
Limitbreaker
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This. So much this.
What attracts me the most in psychedelics specifically in LSD is being able to connect my left with right hemispher developing great ideias or realizing old things much better. Its the only true "addictive" profile of LSD to me.
shpongle1987
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I have deffinatly been on hallucinogens/ dissociatives and felt like i was tapping into some sort of universal knowledge i think its just all in us. But its funny you say that becasue my x girlfriend said something to me the other week when i was chillin with her after she got back from a festival. This girl does a ton of ketamine and acid so shes known to say some out there shit but she asked me in a serious tone "is there some kind of game going on" and i asked her what she ment and she said " i feel like everyone knows some something that i dont and they are all playing some sort of universal game". I dont know if that pertains to what your talking about but i pretty much told her shes doing to much ketamine is she starts questioning if theres a hidden game going on out there with people that are withholding information from her lol.
shpongle1987
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the only thing that gets me feeling like im learning something doesnt feel like im learning something new but something thats blatently obvious but us humans cant understand it. It always happens to me when i take a gram or over a gram of dxm, it makes me feel like im on the verge or learning some sort of universal truth about why we are really here and all the important questions we have yet to understand...but i never get far enough to reach the answer,, go figure lol
vibrancy3
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A men to that ^^^^
I always find when I drop liquid acid I become passionate and enthusiastic about anything creative, like last weekend when I was watching skateboarding videos.. just had a real bad urge to get a board and go out like in the old days, DJ'ing (i would see as creative to) is also very fun on acid especially dubstep if your into that
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For the last while, I would have thought that this idea was a load of crock.
However, my most recent 2C-P experiences have led me to believe that this is not too far off base.
I'm not yet sure whether Existence is composed by the Fact (Existence's Infinite Solipsism by Thought; All Expression Manifests; Time is Illusory; Everything is Singular Without Distinction), or if Existence is only perceived and is not generated by us.
Some tell me one, others tell me the other, but if it's all just me, what's that saying??
To be honest, everything seems to be an Expression, and the Fact is always making me see and understand.
Lately I've even been in direct communication through mediums (television, music, people) again.
Anyway, I've had a harrowing experience, and if it weren't for me understanding that I must have already experienced death (and also my being scared), I would have killed myself. I'm even an experienced psychonaut of long standing, and I consider myself to be very capable of handling myself. I'd only experienced something like this during my worst psychosis..
I feel good now though.
And it's an interesting idea.
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pharmakos
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read somewhere once that psychedelics emulate the processes that naturally occur when learning things whilst sober, or some shiat like that. can't find a link right now though.
There's nothing new under the sun. When you feel or see anything true you recognise it because it's already inside you.
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Also, regarding the OP, psychedelics affect the same neurological functions responsible for novelty.
Flickering
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Yeah, I didn't so much mean he's tapping into the knowledge base of the collective unconscious, but actually that he's heard these ideas presented in passing, subliminally, or his brain has interpreted information subconsciously, and hallucinogens have brought that to the surface.
That was my bad shroom trip. I experienced this in an absolutely horrific and disorienting way.
That's my existential conundrum also, god damnit I wish I knew! - and also knew about how it affects the possibility of life after death!
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I can see how that may be. Incidentally, I've uncovered some awesome research about this. It is a legitimate phenomenon based on something that is (get this!) pretty elementary in quantum mechanics. Check out some information on relational quantum mechanics and the double-slit experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_quantum_mechanics , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment .
Yes, I wish I knew for sure as well. This research has nearly convinced me completely though, and I feel unbelievably better.
Now all that's irking me is whether or not I will just begin to experience another Expression of Existence when I die..
Yes, I wish I knew for sure as well. This research has nearly convinced me completely though, and I feel unbelievably better.
Now all that's irking me is whether or not I will just begin to experience another Expression of Existence when I die..
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has anyone here seen the ergo proxy episode in the bookstore,
it says something along the lines of.
we all know everything at birth,
and it is our duty to uncover what we already know,
not learn what we dont know.
it says something along the lines of.
we all know everything at birth,
and it is our duty to uncover what we already know,
not learn what we dont know.
Biovail
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Naw.. people don't generate reality, we only perceive reality. But we do generate that perception
Though I guess this depends on how you define reality. If reality to you means physical existence (ie the actual physical world around you made of matter and such), we definitely don't generate that. But if reality is the way we experience the world around us, that perception; the way we "understand" how these molecules interact; the way our brain forms "memories" of the dimension of time; how we are able to recall those memories once that time no longer exists the way we understand it is generated by us.
And obviously memory isn't a perfect recollection of the past exactly as it actually happened. If it was, we would be capable of experiencing every moment in time from our past at every moment of the present as time progresses. And if that were possible, we actually would be capable of generating a pseudo-reality from our memories and relive our entire life whenever we wanted. That itself causes many problems of it's own. For example, our brain's entire chemical reward system is designed to promote behaviors that help with survival (you eat: you feel good. you have sex: you feel good). If you can relive the past exactly as hit happened through memories, rather than expending energy to obtain food, you can simply relive the memory that evoked the same good feeling that eating caused, and according to your brain, you no longer need to eat. Note that your brain isn't pre-programmed to eat (in the most basic sense). It's programmed to engage in behaviors that result in a positive chemical response of dopamine release. Through the process of learning and inherited learning your brain knows that eating is one such activity that results in good feelings. And so people eat. Also, notice the necessity of repetition in the process of learning. Take listening to a song for example. You listen to a good song once, and you'll probably remember a few parts of it. Maybe you remember the chorus and a few of the major chords. Mainly, you remember the parts of the song that REPEAT many times. Listen to it a few more times and you'll remember parts that have similar patterns; possibly a refrain or two. But how many listens does it take to remember a guitar solo? 10? 20? This is because solos have very little in the way of repetition (though they do usually follow the same chord progression of the rest of the song, which makes memorization easier). Humans have a VERY difficult time remembering random sequences of events (notes, numbers, etc), hence why in simon-esque games, memorization of a pattern of just 10 events is by all means considered DIFFICULT. Your brain is programmed to make connections and learn from repetition, not from a single experience. Which is why you can't tell me what you ate for breakfast last Tuesday. It only happened once. This seems intuitive since we're used to the way our brain remembers things. But if you thing about it, it's actually very strange. You actually forget the VAST MAJORITY of your life, only remembering repetitive events or important ones (which your brain has subconsciously repeated to itself in order to form that memory). Point being, our ability to understand reality is limited by how our brains have evolved to process and store information for the purpose of learning for survival. Since we're only able to experience life through these flawed memories, our perception of reality is itself flawed.
Biovail
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I had no idea what you meant by this at first. After writing a huge paragraph in response to a response to this, it suddenly made much more sense. But now that understanding has escaped me once more =( Such deep truth in this statement though
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Naw.. people don't generate reality, we only perceive reality. But we do generate that perception
Though I guess this depends on how you define reality. If reality to you means physical existence (ie the actual physical world around you made of matter and such), we definitely don't generate that. But if reality is the way we experience the world around us, that perception; the way we "understand" how these molecules interact; the way our brain forms "memories" of the dimension of time; how we are able to recall those memories once that time no longer exists the way we understand it is generated by us.
And obviously memory isn't a perfect recollection of the past exactly as it actually happened. If it was, we would be capable of experiencing every moment in time from our past at every moment of the present as time progresses. And if that were possible, we actually would be capable of generating a pseudo-reality from our memories and relive our entire life whenever we wanted. That itself causes many problems of it's own. For example, our brain's entire chemical reward system is designed to promote behaviors that help with survival (you eat: you feel good. you have sex: you feel good). If you can relive the past exactly as hit happened through memories, rather than expending energy to obtain food, you can simply relive the memory that evoked the same good feeling that eating caused, and according to your brain, you no longer need to eat. Note that your brain isn't pre-programmed to eat (in the most basic sense). It's programmed to engage in behaviors that result in a positive chemical response of dopamine release. Through the process of learning and inherited learning your brain knows that eating is one such activity that results in good feelings. And so people eat. Also, notice the necessity of repetition in the process of learning. Take listening to a song for example. You listen to a good song once, and you'll probably remember a few parts of it. Maybe you remember the chorus and a few of the major chords. Mainly, you remember the parts of the song that REPEAT many times. Listen to it a few more times and you'll remember parts that have similar patterns; possibly a refrain or two. But how many listens does it take to remember a guitar solo? 10? 20? This is because solos have very little in the way of repetition (though they do usually follow the same chord progression of the rest of the song, which makes memorization easier). Humans have a VERY difficult time remembering random sequences of events (notes, numbers, etc), hence why in simon-esque games, memorization of a pattern of just 10 events is by all means considered DIFFICULT. Your brain is programmed to make connections and learn from repetition, not from a single experience. Which is why you can't tell me what you ate for breakfast last Tuesday. It only happened once. This seems intuitive since we're used to the way our brain remembers things. But if you thing about it, it's actually very strange. You actually forget the VAST MAJORITY of your life, only remembering repetitive events or important ones (which your brain has subconsciously repeated to itself in order to form that memory). Point being, our ability to understand reality is limited by how our brains have evolved to process and store information for the purpose of learning for survival. Since we're only able to experience life through these flawed memories, our perception of reality is itself flawed.
You really ought to read some of the information I posted regarding relational quantum mechanics. The Physical Reality does not exist until it is observed.
This seems very contrary to intuition and logic, but it follows every discovery made in the field and fits perfectly into neurology.