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[charlie clean]

UK law on entrapment is considerably more flexible and not tightly defined by statute as the US. Undercover drug buyers receive considerable leeway in both countries. It's common practice for female undercovers to pretend a desperate withdrawal to entice goodhearted users to cop for them. The men have been known on occasion to act the heavy and threaten - "you promised, man" - if their patsy gets cold feet. A sorry bunch of method actors and hams who act like it's all a movie, which to them, I suppose, it is. Uusually, people won't have anything to do with them not because they suspect they're cops but because they're such terrible people.

I don't know what happened to thebigman but the standard street m.o. is to find someone so anxious for a share of the spoils they'll tell the connection they know the newcomer well. Of course, in reality they've just been approached in some public place like the dole or outside the drug clinic where drug down'n'outs are likely to be found. Undercovers who make a successful buy or two can hang around for weeks and months, buying as often as possible and recording everything, before arrests are made.

Sometimes, the smartest move is give evidence yourself and tell how it came down. A woman here, up on two supply charges, explained that having gone through drug withdrawals herself she was reluctant to abandon anyone else to such a fate, especially when they were clinging to her, crying and saying they'd top themselves if she didn't help. Made it sound quite amusing, didn't lay it on thick, but refused to accept she was other than a normal person placed in an abnormal situation. It worked and she walked out under a supervision order of some kind. She was, strictly speaking, bang at it at the time but, as she said, you can leave out the naughty bits.

I'm not sure if that's similar to your circumstances, thebigman, or whether you could try something similar. I know what you mean by the police moving the goalposts; there's a pre-supposition the defence will 'cheat' and they figure to even up the odds a bit. Means the defendant who plays it by the book is often unjustly shafted. Madness. Do the best you can and good luck to you both.

 

[Myshkin]

Bigman - that's a really depressing story to hear. My heart goes out to you and your family. The law's not just an ass, it's a shit-encrusted ringpiece with boils all over it.

Hi peeps not been on hear in ages hope ya all getting nice shit plenty of good in manchester

I fucking knew it. Everyone's been looking serene on the streets and I haven't seen an empty codeine linctus bottle in the street for a bit. Town was littered with 'em for a while. Part of me wishes I hadn't purged my phone. That part gets bigger every time I see someone nodding in the streets.

 

[brimz]

but the standard street m.o. is to find someone so anxious for a share of the spoils they'll tell the connection they know the newcomer well. Of course, in reality they've just been approached in some public place like the dole or outside the drug clinic where drug down'n'outs are likely to be found. Undercovers who make a successful buy or two can hang around for weeks and months, buying as often as possible and recording everything, before arrests are made.

This has happened in Bath twice always Welsh Coppers as well.
They get results doing it as well the cunts.
Charlie has explained it to a tee.
Never score for anyone on the street regardless , even if does make you look a bit of bastard.

Best of Big Man.

 

[ructions]

Hi all,found BL last year when my supply dried up,like a lot of others.It went from eigth's as cheap as i've ever seen them,to nothing overnight.
I'm from Luton area and it's been crap til now really,with the odd good bit here and there at an inflated price.With a big asian pop' it was awash with gear a year ago,at one point i had 30 numbers.
I;ve read every post since oct' and never dare write a reply,being a bit of a technophobe and a one finger plodder.
Well Ructions,my exp' with my doc has been great.I went to him following someones advice and first off got the wrong doc.He said"if you think i'm going to give you valium and methodone your wrong".I came out of there feeling like a told off little boy.lol.I saw my mate again and he told me witch doc to see.That was 8 years ago.In that time he has never tested me at all for anything.I see him once a month and get 4 scripts dated a week apart.If i go into the chemist late i don't lose my days,i've been in with some 3 weeks late befor and got it all ok
My mrs is with Shared Care and is a right fuck about,much prefer seeing my doc,he's blinding.
Things could be looking up,i've had 3 tx in half hour saying boom,sounds like some has landed.
Last thig,i've had a green tube,funny thing was ,gear wasn't too bad

Hi 2tincarmun I'm glad to see you posting!! I'm hopeless at typing too! Although with the amount of time that i have spent typing on this forum over the last 10 months i'm picking up speed! Who would have ever thought that the drought would help me with my typing skills?!

Yeah i think that i will strongly consider moving to my GP, you & Brimz seem to have had good experiences with GP's & i know one or two people in Dublin who swear by them! I just got a bit suspicious when the clinic said they thought it would be better for me, they don't normally give a damn about me, but yeah maybe it is a good idea!!

I'm glad to hear that things are improving over your way! Make sure to keep us posted, its great to hear good news about the drought ending in places! Things are still bad in Dublin, of course you'll still hear the odd person saying they can get great gear over here, but from experience when i have scored from the same batch that they are scoring from its just the same old crap, some people are happy with it, but most are not! I know someone who only dabbled with gear before the drought, & now over the last 8 months they have been using more regularly, they keep saying the can get 'amazing stuff' i tried it & it was the same old crap, but they keeps using it week in week out, still claiming what they are getting is proper pre drought quality. But the mad things is that in 8 months of using they have never got a habbit!!! They can use & use & then go a few days with out gear & they don't take methadone, yet they are fine, they are not even sick 8( & then use again when they get cash. When i was using i could hardly go a few hours with out using unless i had my methadone, i would have been dieing sick if i had to go two days without gear or methadone!!!! That just proves how crap the gear is over here!! I hope things pick up soooooooon!!! They have to pick up at some stage, don't they?

I glad you joined the Bluelight family 2tincarmun Make sure to stay in touch & lets us know how things are in Luton!!! Later gator!!!

 

[brimz]

did something really out of character today.

I had to go to the City centre and as soon as i got off the bus i bumped into about 10 people that i have used with in the past a couple of them i would class as mates .
Some were in better states than others , Special Brew was being consumed , anyway i stuck around and caught up with who was in Jail n all the gossip.
So i bought a 10bag !!! , what a fukin waste of money that was i can get better stuff @ half 16ths the bag was appx .1n abit n then another thing , i actually manged to hit up with 1ml 1st time registered no problem.
I usually would use a short orange break off with a 2ml barrell.

The folk in town rekoned this was good tackle , i had it 2hours ago n can't feel anything now.
Thats why i don't buy bags.

Did get a nice hook up for BP Blues though on a weekly basis so it was not entirely futile.

 

[ructions]

The folk in town rekoned this was good tackle , i had it 2hours ago n can't feel anything now.
Thats why i don't buy bags.

Did get a nice hook up for BP Blues though on a weekly basis so it was not entirely futile.

In Dublin most of whats been sold lately is in bags of around 0.5, the price is a little over what is was before drought, but not much over, but the gear is fairly weak! But its weird that there is so many .5 bags going around, you wouldn't have come across that weight much before the drought, the smallest would be .2 & after that you'd get 1/16 1/8 & so on.....

Sorry to hear that the gear you got was bad Brimz, but at least you have blues sorted now!!!

 

[kkattastic]

Since |I have been in treatment(several years),I haven't given 1 clean sample(even after abstaining for 6 days.I have decided that to improve my chances in the court I need to start doing this.
The courts generally just want to know that you won't do it anymore.They know I was just doing things to support my own habit so if I can give clean samples,then I would have no need to do it anymore.
I have an appointment every other Wednesday.I have decided that from that Wednesday afternoon,I can go on a 3-4 day bender but then I need to abstain for the next 10-11 days.
So far I am 5 days with just my meth and I have 6 to go.But knowing that I have a light at the end of the tunnel means I can hold out for that long.
The alternative(and this may still happen anyway),is a DTTO,which will mean a whole year till the light at the end of the tunnel;or of course jail.
I am hoping with the massive amounts of meds I am on that they would be better sending me to a secure psych ward.That I can handle.I am currently on 800mg Seroquel a day aswell as Diazepam,Methotrexate(a chemo drug) and of course my methadone.
Other options are community service and/or a tag.
So basically,another 6 days till I can score-depressing,but weighing the alternatives,worth a shot

 

[ructions]

^ Thats great Kkat! 5 days can seem along time at times like this, your doing great! When i first stopped using daily i thought i was going to crack up, but i kept telling myself that there is nothing worth scoring out there, now at last i am in the habit of NOT using & i'm getting used to it, so hopefully before long you will get into a routine of not using as well!! I do think that being clean will help your case big time!!!


I got a bit of a shock to~day in my clinic, my Doctor handed me my script & said "so this is your last script from here, i have set up everything with your GP, you will be seeing him in future" I said "What? i haven't decided anything, you just said to think about it" My Doctor seemed like a different person, he was saying how brilliant my boyfriend & i are doing bla bla bla! We're only doing well coz there is nothing worth scoring around! He was saying how good this move would be for us bla bla bla! & he shook my hand & said good bye.

I asked him to hold on there a minute, i wanted to talk about this, i do think the GP sounds like a good idea but i wanted to talk about it. I asked if the GP does a late night, coz the clinic does a late night, i always go there at 7pm after i finish work, but it turns out the GP does not do a late night. Anyway the clinic said to try out the GP for a few weeks, see if i can get around the late night thing, & he said if it doesn't work out then i can come back to the clinic.

I have been bulldozed into this, i didn't have much say at all. Luckily the whole GP instead of the clinic thing does seem like a good idea, but i'm worried about having to get there before 5.30pm every two weeks, i think i'll run out of excuses in work fairly quickly!! Sure i'll give it a try, looks like i'll have to try it anyway! & the clinic did say that if i don't settle in with the GP then i can come back to the clinic, i just hope they weren't saying that to get rid of me..........

 

[thepool]

im just back from east new york where i visited my cousin
gear was fuckin great over there. they have names for gear over there....i tried the 'Moody Moo' the first night i was there
it was the best gear i ever had but then i had what the dealers called 'The Moody Cow' a few days later and it was even better!!
fuck i wish i lived over there with their great gear and even better names for the type of gear ya want :D

anyone goin to new york, ask around for 'The Moody Cows' and ya wont be disappointed!!

 

[thepool]

Hi 2tincarmun I'm glad to see you posting!! I'm hopeless at typing too! Although with the amount of time that i have spent typing on this forum over the last 10 months i'm picking up speed! Who would have ever thought that the drought would help me with my typing skills?!

Yeah i think that i will strongly consider moving to my GP, you & Brimz seem to have had good experiences with GP's & i know one or two people in Dublin who swear by them! I just got a bit suspicious when the clinic said they thought it would be better for me, they don't normally give a damn about me, but yeah maybe it is a good idea!!

I'm glad to hear that things are improving over your way! Make sure to keep us posted, its great to hear good news about the drought ending in places! Things are still bad in Dublin, of course you'll still hear the odd person saying they can get great gear over here, but from experience when i have scored from the same batch that they are scoring from its just the same old crap, some people are happy with it, but most are not! I know someone who only dabbled with gear before the drought, & now over the last 8 months they have been using more regularly, they keep saying the can get 'amazing stuff' i tried it & it was the same old crap, but they keeps using it week in week out, still claiming what they are getting is proper pre drought quality. But the mad things is that in 8 months of using they have never got a habbit!!! They can use & use & then go a few days with out gear & they don't take methadone, yet they are fine, they are not even sick 8( & then use again when they get cash. When i was using i could hardly go a few hours with out using unless i had my methadone, i would have been dieing sick if i had to go two days without gear or methadone!!!! That just proves how crap the gear is over here!! I hope things pick up soooooooon!!! They have to pick up at some stage, don't they?

I glad you joined the Bluelight family 2tincarmun Make sure to stay in touch & lets us know how things are in Luton!!! Later gator!!!

dont be bitchin and bad mouthing endless nameless.........if he says he can get good gear then take him for his word, dont be bad mouthin him and callin him a liar just cos he can get good brown and you cant

jealousy doesnt get people anywhere, so cop the hell on and grow up

 

[charlie clean]

Since |I have been in treatment(several years),I haven't given 1 clean sample(even after abstaining for 6 days.I have decided that to improve my chances in the court I need to start doing this.
The courts generally just want to know that you won't do it anymore.They know I was just doing things to support my own habit so if I can give clean samples,then I would have no need to do it anymore.
I have an appointment every other Wednesday.I have decided that from that Wednesday afternoon,I can go on a 3-4 day bender but then I need to abstain for the next 10-11 days.
So far I am 5 days with just my meth and I have 6 to go.But knowing that I have a light at the end of the tunnel means I can hold out for that long.
The alternative(and this may still happen anyway),is a DTTO,which will mean a whole year till the light at the end of the tunnel;or of course jail.
I am hoping with the massive amounts of meds I am on that they would be better sending me to a secure psych ward.That I can handle.I am currently on 800mg Seroquel a day aswell as Diazepam,Methotrexate(a chemo drug) and of course my methadone.
Other options are community service and/or a tag.
So basically,another 6 days till I can score-depressing,but weighing the alternatives,worth a shot

I dunno, Kat. How many users you know who, up for sentence, aren't getting clean? Defence briefs assuring judges of their clients' determination are as routine as requests for costs. I wouldn't bank on yours making much difference either way.

But a 'shock of all this' can add to the picture you paint. "My client is so freaked out she dumps the illegals and, despite the counsel of mental health professionals, refuses to increase her methadone.." But don't make it too easy for the judge to 'compromise' with a psychiatric detention, show him who you are and you'll leave by the front door.

 

[jspun]

Chalie has a point Kat, you mention of being on methoxytrexate, Don't know if your using it to treat cancer or psorasis, I know shit about Her Majesties legal system, but that seems like it can be construed as a mitigating circumstance, if only the law had a heart.

Runctions

I asked him to hold on there a minute, i wanted to talk about this, i do think the GP sounds like a good idea but i wanted to talk about it. I asked if the GP does a late night, coz the clinic does a late night, i always go there at 7pm after i finish work

my clinic used to stay open until 7:00 pm (1900 PST).

My last clinic was rare and unique n that in closed that late. The one before closed at 1100am (they were county not private, and their staff were Nazis).

Brimz BP Blues- is that Hydromorphone, or have I been watching too much drugstore cowboy (they reintroduced it as Opana now, poised to surpass Oxy as the pharm drug of choice- I'm sure it will do a spectualr job of accomplishing this until the patent runs out, if history is to repeat itself.)

 

[brimz]

Brimz BP Blues- is that Hydromorphone,

No unfortunatley , just Diazepam10mgs but BP stands for British Pharmecutical . not snide off the internet or dodgy ,straight from the chemist if u like, you pay a premium but imo it's worth it for proper drugs .
Not many floating around these days but loads of underdosed Pakistani ones .

 

[joe90]

This thread has gone very quiet these days.I take it everyone is back to normal.Ive noticed a lot of the guys begging in my city centre seem to be goofing off again.The brown must be back in town.

 

[brimz]

Ructions see if they have a Saturday morning clinic maybe , mine does.

 

[the bold one]

been abstaining from the fleetwood mac for donkeys now as i promised my gf i would and its been total crap all over anway.seen a mate last night who is still hard at it and told me of boy with top notch tackle.heard that one before thinks i,but being half pissed caved in and bought a couple of tenner bags.he wasn't kidding this stuff is BLINDING,easy as good as anything i have had in the previous 15 years so maybe the new harvest is arriving and the tide is turning.hope so,lots on here still seem desperate.all the best.

 

[kkattastic]

I dunno, Kat. How many users you know who, up for sentence, aren't getting clean? Defence briefs assuring judges of their clients' determination are as routine as requests for costs. I wouldn't bank on yours making much difference either way.

But a 'shock of all this' can add to the picture you paint. "My client is so freaked out she dumps the illegals and, despite the counsel of mental health professionals, refuses to increase her methadone.." But don't make it too easy for the judge to 'compromise' with a psychiatric detention, show him who you are and you'll leave by the front door.

maybe you can elaborate?(pm me if you prefer)
It's been 6 days and i have 5 more to go
It's killing me but I really thought it would look good if I could give some clean samples cos they will know that if i am still using,i have to fund it somehow
the last thing i need right now is ppl telling me it won't make any difference-i am ready to cave
I can totally deal with psych secure ward-no worries-i just cannot face jail.
still countdown to weds and then i get to have a 4 day bender

 

[brimz]

I got somethging real 2day , after yesterdays fukin scandolous imatation H
on the half 16th its real and works like it should on the jimmy or in the dart.
To think i payed .1ish bag yesterday n i got 0.8 for only 3 times as much and far less hassle.

Street stuff is for folk that have either never had gear or forgot what its supposed to do , well round here anyway.

 

[charlie clean]

I'll reply publicly and save the pms for private ideas maybe unsuited to an open forum, Kat. Yes, clean samples will help and it'll certainly be better than gouching out in the dock like some defendants. But the judge may think you do it to impress him. Make allowance.

Bit of a funny one, drugs charges. It's what you did, not who you are, that's supposed to matter. But your general character is bound to influence the judge's decision. Remember how you thought of 'heroin pushers' when you were a kid? You have to show him you're not that kind of person, that you're an exception driven to criminal acts by desperate, unusual circumstances and far removed from the greedy, uncaring stereotype. As with many things, the anticipation of jail is far worse than the reality. Most defendants I've known with experience of both would much rather go to jail than to secure psychiatric accommodation although I understand your concerns about the ''stigma''.

Know it's easier said than done, but try not to worry too much. Do everything you can to ensure your brief says and does the right things and hope it works out. These things have a habit of doing just that.

 

[thebigman]

kat i know this is not what you want to hear but charlie is right , 3/4 of people who are up on drug charges would be giving in clean samples so it looks like they have turned their lifes round , the judge knows that, ok some of them will have stopped and turned their life round but the majority will be doing it for show .
i told my lawyer that everyone working with me will be giving glowing reports , social work , drug clinic ect. he told me if the reports seem biased towards the accused he wont even take them into account , because lets face it if i was such an upstanding member of society i would not be infront of him in the first place.
but on the other hand it cant do any harm and will do you some good and save you money