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What does peace require?

^That is not possible, and I'm not one for calling many things impossible.
 
^^re pegasus. why wouldn't it be?

is everybody greedy to a problematic extent? i think not; if not, can others also learn, individually or over generations, to "be less greedy"?

greed is a basically biological component of our species, subject to social evolution.
 
we're all greedy, we have to be to survive... but greed can be split into wants/needs... we need to cut down on the wants
 
"You don't know peace, 'till you've had suffering"


the idea of peace is almost futile. Honestly, peace is just the time between reloading


Want peace? Prepare for WAR. Cause there is ALWAYS going to be someone that believes that they know whats best for the whole. It's a constant struggle for power and once power is obtained, oppression beginnings to maintain "peace"
 
^ Are you honestly suggesting that oppression can only be ended violently? Because from what I've seen, all it takes to effectively counter oppression is wits, subterfuge, cooperation, knowing what information to share with whom, and when to fly under the radar versus shout from the rooftops.

If oppressors truly control 100% of the information that gets to you the oppressed, then yeah, you are kind of trapped. But that's less and less common.
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
Because from what I've seen, all it takes to effectively counter oppression is wits, subterfuge, cooperation, knowing what information to share with whom, and when to fly under the radar versus shout from the rooftops.
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Hmm, I don't think that's working so well for Syrians or Iranians right now, and the reason it isn't working is because they do not have the raw power that the government has.

qwe said:
^^re pegasus. why wouldn't it be?

is everybody greedy to a problematic extent? i think not; if not, can others also learn, individually or over generations, to "be less greedy"?

greed is a basically biological component of our species, subject to social evolution.
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You're right, it is a basic biological component of our species, kind of like a sex drive, which can be influenced but never completely destroyed. Being less greedy isn't unrealistic, but his comment was that greed has to be eradicated, and as you seem to say yourself, greed is a basic human drive. Social evolution only controls the expression of the drive; it doesn't suppress it altogether.
 
people currently do not actually want peace.

peace by force is not peace.
 
peace requires conquest, and is never lasting. too much peace creates stagnation and dissatisfaction with lack progress, both physically and spiritually. the only way to create sustained peace is to eliminate the question "can things be better?" which requires the destruction of imagination. for some of us, all we need for peace is the right (or wrong) drug XD
 
Nagelfar said:
Then, like all opposites, peace requires war.

Of course, when things settled down and normalized, sub-groups of humans would again distinguish themselves by their differences before similarities (when nothing else substantially different makes an impact to their sphere of operation) and divide along those lines. Every unity supposes a division.
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I was wondering when that might come up. Nice placement.
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
So what do you think true and durable peace requires? What is the absolute minimum that any group of people requires in order to keep the number of people doing harm to each other to an absolute minimum?
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The older I get the more I think that after the obvious physical basics like enough food and water, that what people need to peacefully co-exist is a feeling of connection to each other and to a greater "whole". (Religions have just made a mockery of this for the most part. They sever true connection more than creating it, so that is most definitely not what I'm talking about.) It seems to me that everything that threatens peace can be traced back to loneliness both basic and existential. People consume way more than they need, requiring virtual slave societies to provide the goods, basically because they are "empty ghosts" to use the Buddhist term. Wars start and then breed ad nauseum because this system of procuring and trying to keep more and more and more causes misery---a ponzi scheme of lives.

While I do believe that the system of government matters to a certain degree I think that peace comes from a much deeper level. In smaller societies, where everyone is part of the whole and the whole is considered to include those that came before you and will come after you anxiety and depression do not exist as lifelong states of being.
 
what if we set up human reproduction like that which is found on K-Pax? that is children are intentionally exchanged with non-blood relational children in a random lottery style fashion. couples have genetic children, but are then responsible for some other couple's genetic child, and are forever separated from their own.

*a little expounded on a line from the film, i've never read the book.
 
I think that it's a sad fact that there are too many people in the world who are not intelligent enough to recognize their own negativity, and there are fewer who can actually direct themselves in a purposeful way to avoid or change that negativity.
Then, also, there's the fact that utopia is an ideal, and therefore by it's very nature unnatural. Humans are multifaceted and individual and fluid.
 
Less people. It's just a mathematical function of how many people there are, with varying levels of intelligence and differing personality traits... that when you get enough together, there is going to be friction.
 
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