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slimboyfat

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Hey bluelight community!

Me and my girlfriend have been rolling for a quite a few years now (taking several month long breaks in-between) but we got into a serious car accident about 4 months ago. She was hospitalized and in a coma for 3 days, after she had some bad memory issues and side affects, but thankfully she recovered, but there are still some problems (it is harder for her to do math problems and she cant feel hunger.) The issue was that she had severe brain hemorrhaging with multiple gaps being made in her brain some rather large.

She wants to roll again and so do I, but were scared to. We've tried about 3 doctors and they are complete ass wipes here so they don't even listen or Order MRI scans. We have looked up the symptoms of hemorrhaging and she hasn't showed any for about 2 or 3 months now. But i'm still afraid that it could cause bleeding again.

I was just hoping that someone here would be able to give some advice or has seen this problem before. She is the love of my life and I obviously don't want to risk anything happening.
 
The brain is really complex so whatever damage occurred might be permanent. My own father had a hemotoma after a car accident and never regained the surface feeling of his body nor his peripheral vision. If you both decide to roll again, just do a very small dose and see what happens after an hour. You could redose later if you feel like you want to. I suggest though to be at home and not in a club or a party.
 
Thanks! You don't know how good it is to have people who will actually help with this after a strew of jackass doctors. Ill try the small dosing and definitely look into piracetam Cheers!
 
I wouldn't jump in there and think small doses will be safe until you have some solid medical confirmations it should be fine. Regular doctors are going to be no use if you specifically ask about MDMA, try getting into contact with maps.org. They fund MDMA research and have many studies on it, they can hopefully put you into touch with doctors that are knowledgeable in MDMA specifically. They do exist.

One major cause for concern is MDMA's effects on blood coagulation. I am not sure about what happens but I know that it was originally discovered for this purpose. Since your girlfriend has damage involving blood flow in the brain and MDMA will specifically affect this I would want to be absolutely sure that she will be fine.

On a personal note, I feel for your situation as that must have been a very traumatic event and MDMA is perfect for healing emotional scars you may have. My gut feeling is to wait at least a year from the accident. I can understand that you would really want to do it but you should think that you have your whole lives together to take MDMA again. The risk isn't worth it yet in my opinion, of course I don't know the full situation, but, don't rush into this.
 
We have gone to neurosurgeons and trauma specialists (one walked in told us nothing than just turned his back and walked out without even letting us ask any questions) but we may wait a year to keep it safe than do the small dosage. I am also afraid that the brain will swell and cause problems.
 
I would avoid doing MDMA until you have fully recovered. Wait at least another 6 months before dropping (if not more), MDMA will always be around. There is no hurry!
 
levictus said:
I would avoid doing MDMA until you have fully recovered. Wait at least another 6 months before dropping (if not more), MDMA will always be around. There is no hurry!
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Exactly. It wouldn't be my first port of call whilst recovering from brain injury. There is a lot more important things in life and drugs.

If you're worried then it's because you know there is a risk. I'd listen to that worry for the time being.
 
I'm no doctor, but you're always taking a risk when doing MDMA. If you "obviously" don't want to risk anything happening, don't do it. There's more important things than the sort of fun rolling can provide, when you weigh in the consequences. That's my take.
 
I am definitely worried about her taking it but we used to love rolling it was one of the few times we could take a break and relax. She isn't as concerned as me (that crash made me 10x more paranoid and worried than i was.) We've been trying to do different things to stay happy and enjoy life but the stress of school and the whole case after the car crash is really bringing her down and drinking sometimes makes things worse (we found out drinking is okay with her injury) sometimes i feel like her mother though its almost like choosing between a risk and her ability to relax and have fun.

But thank you all for your advice it really has helped me not feel like a buzzkilngton all the time. If she really does insist and really want to pop again idk if i could say no if she has to should it just be 1 or a 1/2?
 
I had to post here too.
I really feel for you - you must love this girl.
And that is why you are going to make the right decision.

The 'holes' in her brain are not really holes - they are areas of low blood flow.
When that much bleeding occurs, brain cells are starved of oxygen. Within minutes, they begin to die.
The hemorrhaging may have killed neurons, even permanently.
I am sorry to say that - but it is true.

The good news is that neuron death is a normal part of life - literally thousands per day.
And the brain is resilient - not all strokes or hemorrhages result in massive cellular death.
Some patients are able to make remarkable recovery if enough healthy brain tissue survives.
In stroke patients however, the extent of recovery seen at 6 months is considered indicative of long-term potential.

MDMA causes the SERT transporter, which is not a neuron, to dump massive amounts of serotonin into neuronal synapses. When this happens, local blood vessels respond and large increases in blood volume are seen around these synapses.

Even in normal users, MDMA has caused strokes, including massive hemorrhaging.
This is a risk with all stims - the vascular system in your brain only has so much plasticity built in.
She should be avoiding ANYTHING that increases the chance of this...

Except exercise.
In fact, those doctors should have put her on a rigorous exercise schedule once she was stable.
She needs to be running every day, and weight lifting if she is capable.
This will accelerate the redistribution of blood vessels through her brain.
It will also stimulate the release of STEM CELLS, which grow into new neurons and glial cells!
Her maximum potential for recovery goes WAY up if she exercises daily.
This is done with ALL brain injury patients - from strokes to gunshots!

This is your priority.
Want her to roll again one day?
Then make her exercise for 2 years first.
That is the ONLY good answer.

If you chose to take the risk - understand that you bear a lot of responsibility.
If her cognitive function has been altered, your influence may be critical.
As her b/f you need to think about more than just the experience and the bonding that MDMA brings.
If you insist on rolling anyways, you need to control as many factors as possible.

She gets LESS than a half - try a quarter and see what happens.
Lower her body temp as much as possible, as this controls MDMA toxicity directly and it lowers risk of stroke.
Make sure she is eating VERY healthy for MANY days leading up to the experience - lots of veggies healthy carbs.
She gets all the anti-oxidants...magnesium, turmeric, selenium, etc.
Billberry protects against stroke too.

Piracetam may improve her cognition, and it may also protect against neurotoxicity.
It even protects brain cells against lack of oxygen - if she had taken a MASSIVE dose of it prior to the accident, it may have save quite a few neurons. I strongly suggest a high dose many hours before the roll. I also suggest a high dose after.

Bottom line - don't do it.
There is very little reason - she had a major head trauma VERY recently.
You have NO business taking ANY stims. Period.

Are there no other drugs you can get by with in the meantime?
Opiates are fun, and so are benzos. And neither will hurt her, or you, unless you use them repeatedly.
Stay away from things that play with capillaries in the brain - for her sake.

If nothing else, why don't YOU roll?
Then you might realize how much you love her and how you could NEVER put her at that much risk.
You might even decide to stop rolling until she is better...
 
advising him to roll because you dont agree with the way he thinks is imo plain irresponsible.
stimulants in general bump up your BP and heart rate, they put your circulatory system into overdrive and if you've got any brain or heart defects you shouldnt take any amount of any real stimulant/strong stimulant IMO.
exercising isn't going to make it all that safe, if your body cant fuction right you shouldnt take any drugs that force your body to go farther and faster than it normally can, and i'd say MDMA its into that category even though IMO its not a strong stimulant. The risk doesn't correspond to the benefit in this scenario, at least in my mind.
 
Regardless , Be very careful.

if at the end of the day MDMA is going to cause anymore damage to your girlfriend then its not worth the risk , my advice would be to continue to seek a professional that is willing to talk with you on the matter , perhaps a nueroligist would be the best bet.
 
I'v been told that Lions Mane Mushroom can actually rebuild neurons but according to the doctors at the hospital she has gone far beyond what they ever would have thought and (im sorry i forgot to mention this) we were playing kings cup about a month ago and got really drunk in our state we were offered speed and we smoked it but there was no problems.

She did have a sever brain injury but she has come back like no other (and its probably best i dont try and risk stopping it with mdma)
and trust me i haven't rolled since the accident and i wont roll without her, it was a great thing for us to do and to have a good time but i can do without it.
 
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