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Possible massive overdose on 2c-p

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Doc Hydramine

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My friend did a fat line of pure 2c-p against my recommendations, possibly up to 70-90mg and now will not answer his phone; he lives a street over, and is not at his house. about two hours from snort right now, is it time to call the parents, the ambulance or the funeral home?!
 
There are a couple reports of overdosages about this size, though i think they may have been taken orally as opposed to nasally. They were both actually by the same person & due to a labeling mistake by a vendor. The first time he went to the hospital mostly because he was freaking out & didn't know what would happen. The second time he just rode it out & apparently was in minimal physical danger from the drug. I don't know whether this dose would be toxic nasally or not, but i'm thinking the most acute dangers he'd be facing would be from inappropriate or dangerous behavior and the possibility of being traumatized by having to spend a portion of a otherwordly-intense trip in jail. All that being said, i wouldn't avoid medical attention just because of all the unknowns. I'd try & get a few people together to look for him & keep calling his phone. At this point that's really all the police, parents, medics could do anyway. If he turns up try & check his vitals, he may or may not need medical attention, and i'd imagine unneeded medical attention or any clinical environment in his state of mind would be highly unpleasant.
 
Find him and ensure he's having a psyhcedelic crisis in a relatively comfortable place and not e.g. the middle of the street.
 
Can you promise that, bar some stupidly low tolerance he isn't dead? I know that's a ridiculous request, especially as he just snorted a good bit more than Illinois has ever seen, but I'm quite freaked. I need something to hold on to until morning.
 
Thats quite bad!
I hope your freind is alive and okay.. Please keep us updated..


Best luck
//blazR
 
Try to find him. If he needs medical help take him to the hospital. If you won't find him stop calling. When he will be able to talk I think he will call you or ambulance. You can discharge his phone, that would be dangerous.
Your friend is an idiot
 
Doc Hydramine said:
Can you promise that, bar some stupidly low tolerance he isn't dead? I know that's a ridiculous request, especially as he just snorted a good bit more than Illinois has ever seen, but I'm quite freaked. I need something to hold on to until morning.
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I don't think anyone, especially over the internet could make that promise. I highly doubt he'd die from that dose though. Given that the oral overdose incident didn't really require hospitalization for any physical reasons (just psychological ones), i'd think this dose wouldn't kill anyone, but no way to be 100% sure. The largest dose of 2c-e i've read about someone doing on purpose was about 100mg snorted (NOT RECOMMENDED). This person did it on purpose in as safe a way as possible, & he was fine, just really spun for a couple of days. Heard of slightly larger doses orally, but accounting for the increased bioavailability i think the 100mg insufflated was probably more potent. Heard of even larger doses with 2c-i, though they were given in a quasi-medical setting.

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I've filled his voicemail, and cant find him anywhere. just vomit on his driveway.
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I suppose the vomit's to be expected. Are you absolutely positive he's not in his house? A friend accidentally took 120-150mg 2c-d one time & we couldn't find him & were worried, but he was just hiding under his bed the whole time. Granted ~70mg of 2c-p is a whole different ballgame, but generally people undergoing such crises tend to want to be in a familiar environment, & if possible, will wander into one, even if they aren't sure where they're going. IME anyway. Let us know what happens. Hope your friend is ok! If i were a betting man, i'd guess he'll be fine, after he comes down anyway.
 
Vomit in the driveway? Good. Hopefully he swallowed the drip and vomited it out, getting rid of a tiny bit of the dose that way. I bet he felt sick and hot, went outside to get fresh air, and threw up. Not knowing your friend, it's hard to imagine what he would do after that. If he is an experienced psychonaut, the purging may have relieved his nausea, and he might even be enjoying a really, really, really intense trip. I hope this is the case.

Go to his house, keep peaking in through windows, try and catch a glimpse of every room. He must be somewhere. If not, wait in front of his house until he stumbles back there. Send out friends to places that he frequents.

I hope this turns out well.

/bs
 
I've taken ridiculous doses of 2c-p while on benzos, like 90mg in a day, I'm not even sure what happened but I was tripping for a long time. Nothing bad happened to me but the big risk is doing something stupid when you are too high. I hope you find your friend, if he's out alone on that much 2c-p he'll probably be very obviously high to anyone he encounters. He could just be waiting it out in the shower avoiding all human contact; I've had intense trips like that. I'd try to find him just so he doesn't end up getting into any trouble, he'll probably be okay physically at least.
 
I think you all are underestimating the 2c-P dose/response curve
is 16mg not an overwhelming OD in most people? and every miligram after 10mg seems to double the trip, maybe even triple it at ~15mg, so on and so forth.
Now imagine even a dose of 30mg...
this dude tried to INSUFFALATE ~70+mg.
you can't even compare this to 100mg of 2c-e, this is far more intense.
 
The 16mg entry in PiHKAL was an idiosyncratic reaction in which the participant was undergoing a therapy session & relived a both physically & psychologically painful childhood memory. This is not to say anyone should underestimate the potency of 2c-p, as it is quite potent. But i personally didn't note just a huge difference from 12-14mg. A few friends of mine did ~30mg each a couple weeks ago without issue, about 20mg of that insufflated. Some of them did have significant tolerance from an NBOMe trip a few days prior though. And i don't think anyone is saying 70mg of 2c-p wouldn't be absurdly ridiculous, just that it would unlikely be fatal. These things do affect different people differently though, so while for me each mg after 10 doesn't double the trip, for some it may well. YMMV as always. While i personally wouldn't do 100mg of 2c-e or 70mg of 2c-p, i don't think there would be much room for that much difference as there is going to be a saturation point at which the effects don't really increase that much. There isn't really any hard data on the pharmacodynamics of the 2c-x's, but i'd say at either of the aforementioned dosage levels, you're going to be approaching the saturation point, if not exceeding it.
 
I agree with above post. There has to come a point in dosage where it reaches something of a ceiling effect. At that point you should expect a state of sensory overload, a kind of psychedelic blindness. I don't think that would be a lethal dose, but this person is in for a few days of tripping.

How are you guys sure of the dosage? Were you with him when his weighed it out? Did he eyeball it? How much 2c-p did he have to start with?

Any word from this person?? No offense, but it's people like this that ruin it for the rest of us that are responsible.
 
uhh holy shit..hope your friend is ok man.

as far as personal experience, the group of friends i am in are all experienced psychonauts and we have pushed the limits with 2ci,2ce,2cc,and 2cb ten times over. actually the first time we got 2cb in the 90s we we told a tenth was a dose and a bunch of us ate that.. just tryin to give you a little in comfort in saying the 2c's toxicity levels seem pretty beningn; then again 2c-p i have no exp. with but from what i gather is much more powerful, if not the most powerful 2c..

sending good vibes your way, wish your idiot friend all the best <3

like someone else said, id be more worried abot where the fuck he was and what he was getn into. have u tried his house, on the inside? i dont want to advise you to break the law, but in this situation id prolly do what i had to do to get inside a good friends house just to make sure he wsnt unconcious in there..

thats just me...
 
Any updates? Im really seriously curious about why in gods name was such a huge dose was taken! It must have been excruciating! I haven't personally insufflated any phenethylamines as I hate that RoA ever since I quit cocaine. But from what others have said I can't even imagine how painfun nearly a tenth of a gram would be.

Why did he take so much?

And why wouldn't he listen to your admonitions?

Very troubling all ways around it.
 
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