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Is it possible for MDMA crystals (tested pure) to vary from different sources?

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EpicurusFire

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Vary in regards to the experience, that is. I have rolled 8 times in my life now, and my first time was in June of last year. I tried mephedrone a couple times in between, just in case that might have an effect here.

My first time was unreal. I had pills that blew my mind. Hands down, best night of my life. I fell in love instantly. After that night, I found this site and informed myself more about MDMA. I bought a testing kit and started trying to find pure stuff. I finally found some that tested to a beautiful dark purple within seconds, and I thought I was in for the time of my life.

Well...that hasn't been the case. Every time i've been on this stuff it has been underwhelming. It's fun...I mean I still roll...but I don't get the crazy empathy and euphoria that I got with those 2 pills that first night. Not even close. I can't imagine that I lost the magic already, so i'm wondering if maybe even tested molly can vary from batch to batch in intensity? All that happens now is I get an overall good state of mind and minor touching sensations....and i've even started to dose close to 200mg recently because I assumed my tolerance was going up, but even at this relatively high dose I don't see much improvement. I get more euphoria from shrooms than i've gotten from my experiences with molly.

At this point i'm thinking piracetam/aniracetam is an option I should look into...its just depressing thinking I might have lost the magic already :(
 
Testing "positive" for MDMA is no guarantee of strength, regardless if it's shards, powder....whatever it is. If it's been underwhelming each time, and you haven't been abusing (to my recollection you've been very responsible)- it's your batch. 200 mgs in weight does not mean that what you have is 200 mgs of active MDMA, no matter how quickly it turns the right color.

Just this weekend a friend of mine who rarely uses went through a gram of confirmed, tested MDMA crystals (yes, 1000 mgs) in an evening- this gram was clearly not a true gram of actual active material, but simply a gram weighed out. Typically, he has a fulfilling experience on 2 pills (80-100mgs)- for it to take a full gram to achieve the same result does not make sense.
 
I hear that people who produce the stuff have the ability to add a minute amount of MDxx to a cap/pressed pill/bag o' powder just so when its tested, it will change color.
 
The MDMA molecule has a chiral center which means that you could have one of two different enantiomers (R & S), or more probably, the racemic mixture of both. Each enantiomer has a different potency and half-life so it's possible your strongest experience was with the R-enantiomer, and the subsequent trip was with the racemic mixture (there is little value in synthing the S-enantiomer, nor seperating it from a racemate due to it's weaker potency).
 
I NUK3D U said:
The MDMA molecule has a chiral center which means that you could have one of two different enantiomers (R & S), or more probably, the racemic mixture of both. Each enantiomer has a different potency and half-life so it's possible your strongest experience was with the R-enantiomer, and the subsequent trip was with the racemic mixture (there is little value in synthing the S-enantiomer, nor seperating it from a racemate due to it's weaker potency).
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that made my brain hurt more than all the drugs i take
 
Well reading this it seems fairly obvious to me at least that the first 2 pills you did were probably NOT pure MDMA. Pure MDMA is great, as you know, but in my opinion its not the best way to experience MDMA. Your true magical breakthrough probably came from a really good combination of MDMA, amphetamines, and who knows what else. Really good rolls beat MDMA crystals (as far as talking about the omg i feel fucking amazing, not clarity/purity/sensualness)

And usually your first time is your best so yeah you haven't lost the magic or anything, but just don't compare your rolling to that. I have a feeling really good rolls would get you there again, though.
 
freehugs said:
Well you did ask. And that's honestly not that complicated xD
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My apologies, I was just being a bit of a smartass. I did understand the concept, and I appreciate the feedback.

I do think that it was due to the fact that something else was in the rolls I had. I know something else had to be in them, because the comedown was HORRID. All my comedowns on molly have been nonexistant. Unfortunately, i'll never know what was in those pills...and i'm really hoping it wasn't meth because I don't want to have to subject my body to meth in order to have that experience.

If amphetamines make a roll that much better, wouldn't taking an adderall with molly be along the same lines as a roll?
 
I use MDMA for 15 years, and I can not try more than the magic that I felt all those years ago...to have a strong buzz , I need at least 400 mg of crystals...my body is used and the tolerance is very high...What I could use to increase the strength of MDMA?

if I take 200 mg lasts me 15 minutes
if i take 400 mg lasts me 30 minutes
if i take 500 mg lasts me 60 minutes

the normal people with 200 mg of mdma , go on all night...

because the effects of MDMA, end so quickly me ?
 
erbaviva_girls said:
I use MDMA for 15 years, and I can not try more than the magic that I felt all those years ago...to have a strong buzz , I need at least 400 mg of crystals...my body is used and the tolerance is very high...What I could use to increase the strength of MDMA?

if I take 200 mg lasts me 15 minutes
if i take 400 mg lasts me 30 minutes
if i take 500 mg lasts me 60 minutes

the normal people with 200 mg of mdma , go on all night...

because the effects of MDMA, end so quickly me ?
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Try my little routine if you want?

the 2 days following your roll, onto that day even try and eat :

Tuna, Dark chocolate (higher Cocoa content the better), Bananas, Cheese.
Get as much sunlight as possible. This will raise your serotonin levels in your brain, then the MDMA will release it all.

Try it anyway, it works for me
 
I NUK3D U said:
Each enantiomer has a different potency and half-life so it's possible your strongest experience was with the R-enantiomer, and the subsequent trip was with the racemic mixture (there is little value in synthing the S-enantiomer, nor seperating it from a racemate due to it's weaker potency).
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I thought R was the weaker of the two?

Here's what Shulgin said about it with my bolding for emphasis (http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/isomers.htm)

"The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams."

"What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug."

here's some good info on the subject:

http://countyourculture.com/2011/05/23/mirrored-magic-mdma/
 
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EpicurusFire said:
My first time was unreal.
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this says it all. You will find many many people trying to replicate their first time. The problem is that a bit of magic is lost simply by knowing what is coming. That first time surprises all of us; even though we all heard how amazing mdma is, we really had no idea.

but now, you know what the come up feels like, you recognize the peak, you start comparing one roll to the next, and you dread the comedown and the long wait until the next roll.

I've tried a million different things to try to get the magic back (and all my mdma was tested clean and was strong), from piracetam, to saint john's wort, to 5htp, increasing the dose, decreasing the dose, waiting four months, exercise, vitamins, healthy food, nmda antagonists, enzyme blockers, etc. etc.

here's the one thing that worked: a few hits of weed (white widow, a sativa dom hybrid) when I dropped and then an occasional hit during the roll

why did it work? it was just enough to not overwhelm the effects of the mdma, I it gave my body a light "floaty" feeling, enhanced the visuals just a bit, and most importantly:

it caused a little bit of mental confusion--just enough that I focused on the experience that was happening and not analyzing/comparing what I was feeling.

the first roll will always be the most special, but this way helped me experience the MAGIC again

ymmv, best of luck.
 
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interesting! confuse the buzz analysis by getting a bit stoned on weed!!
seriously,, at this point and from "research" i'm convinced that the meth did kick the MDMA into a shivering rushy tingle, and waves of it continued into the night, especially in the first couple hours
solid "pucks" (pills) would usaully have that extra bit of kick and tingles but these days with so many pipes, good luck
 
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