Hi everyone. I have used bluelight for the past year to help with dosing. My tolerance is relatively low, I can take 3 or 4 750s. I took 3 about 4 hours ago and would like to take 3 more. The hydro isn't what I'm worried about, it's the amount of APAP I will be taking. Every thread I read says APAP shouldn't exceed 4grams a day, but would 5grams be too much within 4 hours? I know it obviously isn't good for me, but would I be alright? I preformed a CWE last week but really, I feel like there was a great deal of loss (and it didn't look like I took out very much APAP). Is it worth it to do a CWE on 3 pills when I will only be taking 6 total all day? And if I do perform a CWE, is it possible to plug it? I have never plugged before but a friend left a rig at my house and ive read that plugging is the next best thing from blasting. I'm hoping for a response quickly due to the fact that I'm leaving in 30/45 minutes and don't drive with drugs. This is my first thread, so if I posted in the wrong spot please let me know and help direct me to the right place. And I'd also like to say that I appreciate all you bluelighters, you have all kept me safe with my dosing for the past year.
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Redosing opiate/APAP combination products (750mg APAP)
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jackie jones
Bluelight Crew
Post questions like this in the Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread
Remember, you do not need much water at all if you are only extracting three pills, and apap will dissolve if too much water is used. 75ml is plenty. Hydrocodone is very water soluble, so you are not losing any. Make sure to squeeze your filter. Yes, you will be saving yourself some damage if you are taking that much acetaminophen continuously.
Welcome to Bluelight.
Remember, you do not need much water at all if you are only extracting three pills, and apap will dissolve if too much water is used. 75ml is plenty. Hydrocodone is very water soluble, so you are not losing any. Make sure to squeeze your filter. Yes, you will be saving yourself some damage if you are taking that much acetaminophen continuously.
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TheLostBoys
Bluelighter
2,250mgs of apap is alot in one sitting. You should take no more than 1,000mgs in one sitting & now they have lowered the 24 hour of apap you can take to 3,000mgs from 4,000mgs. I use to take 750's as well but never took more than 1.5 of the 750's. If you can suggest to your doctor to move you over to the Norcos, your liver will appreciate it, that is if you get a prescription.
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
^This.
I'm going to change the title of this thread for easier searching in the future, since a lot of people aren't going to know what a "750" is. What opiate dosage are in the preparations you're talking about?
I'm going to change the title of this thread for easier searching in the future, since a lot of people aren't going to know what a "750" is. What opiate dosage are in the preparations you're talking about?
I recently broke my arm and have been prescribed the 7.5/750 hydros. When speaking with the surgeon, he was very standoffish when I told him that 1 pill every 4 hours had no effect. During my highschool years, I would take no less than 40mg of oxycontin, sometimes 60-80 at a time (recreationally). That was over 6 years ago and have only dabbled from time to time (months in between). The issue is not that I'm uneducated about these substances, it's that because I am knowledgeable about them, the surgeon thinks I am just trying to abuse them. I have 3 pins sticking out of my arm and will for at least another month or 2. I'm scared to ask him for stronger stuff now because he might just cut me off altogether so I assume I will have these next month too. If I turn to the street I'm sure I'll find stuff in the OP realm, but still will need advice with these vicodins. Is 75mL for 3 a relative amount? So 100mL would be enough for 4, and so on?
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NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
There's no reason to jump to trying to score on the street when you can CWE. I'd say that 100mL is enough for four or five pills, you don't need too much water. Check out the link provided earlier for more information. 
CounTerOrdeR
Bluelighter
People around here hate APAP. Honestly even 3-4grams in one sitting has no effect at all. Its dosing like that on regular basis that will harm you but i really doubt doing so once does any harm at all.
Just dont do 10.5 grams at once.
Since you will be taking these every day for a couple months CWE is really the only way to go though.
Just dont do 10.5 grams at once.
Since you will be taking these every day for a couple months CWE is really the only way to go though.
OpioPhyllis
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One of the lessons I have learned when dealing with doctors is that when you present as very educated on pain medications, they tend to be annoyed and suspicious. First, they have attained an M.D. and feel that they know all there is to know about opiates, and second, that if you are knowledgeable it is simply because you are an addict.
Unfortunately, doctors don't always have the best education on pain meds and how they REALLY work. This is very sad for those of us who are in chronic pain and have become an advocate for our treatment (and eternally frustrating for the seeking addict). The suspicion is not unfounded--have we addicts not become little experts on all things opiates??
So, if the first thing you say after the doctor hand you the script is, "7.5 every 4 hours isn't going to do shit," he is going to wonder! I realize you have legitimate, objective pain, but the government is really messing with our doctors and instead of empathy for the patient, the doc's brain goes right to abuse. What I usually do when this happens is tough it out a few days, then call the clinic at about 9 am and report that the medication is not working (which, as you've stated, is accurate--I am not giving ideas on how to defraud the doc, but how to skillfully advocate for your pain management in an environment where receiving adequate pain control is becoming harder and harder to achieve due to pressure and propaganda from Uncle Sam).
That's my two bits, lol.
Unfortunately, doctors don't always have the best education on pain meds and how they REALLY work. This is very sad for those of us who are in chronic pain and have become an advocate for our treatment (and eternally frustrating for the seeking addict). The suspicion is not unfounded--have we addicts not become little experts on all things opiates??
So, if the first thing you say after the doctor hand you the script is, "7.5 every 4 hours isn't going to do shit," he is going to wonder! I realize you have legitimate, objective pain, but the government is really messing with our doctors and instead of empathy for the patient, the doc's brain goes right to abuse. What I usually do when this happens is tough it out a few days, then call the clinic at about 9 am and report that the medication is not working (which, as you've stated, is accurate--I am not giving ideas on how to defraud the doc, but how to skillfully advocate for your pain management in an environment where receiving adequate pain control is becoming harder and harder to achieve due to pressure and propaganda from Uncle Sam).
That's my two bits, lol.
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@NeighborhoodThreat
I performed a CWE on 4 pills with 100mL. I definitely used too much water previously because after the first filtration this time, I ended up not getting much in the coffee filter, but had a noticeable amount at the bottom of the glass. Would it be a good idea to use even less water? The reason I ask is because after reading the CWE MegaThread for over an hour, everyone had a different opinion on how much to use. Some said they used 100mL for 8-10 pills, some even said they used more pills than that. And I was also wondering why my filter was not capturing the APAP? Especially when I squeezed the filter, most of the APAP went right on through. What other types of filters could I try? As far as household items, I've read t-shirts don't work well, but button-up collard shirts do. Someone also mentioned board shorts.
@CounTerOrdeR
I appreciate your post. I was so concerned about taking too much APAP because every thread I read before I had to post my own was talking about how it is the worst thing for you. I definitely will not be taking 4-5g+ every single day, I just needed someone to tell me I would be fine in that one instance (didn't have time that day to CWE).
@OpioPhyllis
Exactly. I am not trying at all to say that I have not used opiates recreationally, because I have. I do not hide my drug use from anyone, and I believe by doing that I won't be a closet user, increasing and increasing my doses. It's just so frustrating being a 25 year old, unable to explain to the person that is charge of fixing my body that the medication is not potent enough to make my pain subside. I feel like my age, my looks, and the nature in which I snapped my arm (skateboarding), puts me into a category in which the surgeon needs to be extra cautious while judging me to see if I'm just trying to get "high". I broke my other arm when I was 15, and it's so ironic because I believe they gave me the 5/500 hydrocodone and after the first night, the pain was so excruciating, my dad took my into the hospital first thing in the morning. They did not even hesitate to inject me with Morphine and write me a brand new script for what he said was called Vicodin ES. I assume they were 10/1000mg? This would have been around 2001/2002. I just don't get that if these synthetic narcotics are legalized for coping with intense pain, why doctors would be so concerned about finding the correct dose to alleviate the pain. If I was a doctor, I would have been much more concerned about giving the 15year old me too high of a dose versus the 25year old me. I had no knowledge of opiates and their effects until I broke my arm that year, and really, that situation is what ultimately got me into using the drugs recreationally.
I performed a CWE on 4 pills with 100mL. I definitely used too much water previously because after the first filtration this time, I ended up not getting much in the coffee filter, but had a noticeable amount at the bottom of the glass. Would it be a good idea to use even less water? The reason I ask is because after reading the CWE MegaThread for over an hour, everyone had a different opinion on how much to use. Some said they used 100mL for 8-10 pills, some even said they used more pills than that. And I was also wondering why my filter was not capturing the APAP? Especially when I squeezed the filter, most of the APAP went right on through. What other types of filters could I try? As far as household items, I've read t-shirts don't work well, but button-up collard shirts do. Someone also mentioned board shorts.
@CounTerOrdeR
I appreciate your post. I was so concerned about taking too much APAP because every thread I read before I had to post my own was talking about how it is the worst thing for you. I definitely will not be taking 4-5g+ every single day, I just needed someone to tell me I would be fine in that one instance (didn't have time that day to CWE).
@OpioPhyllis
Exactly. I am not trying at all to say that I have not used opiates recreationally, because I have. I do not hide my drug use from anyone, and I believe by doing that I won't be a closet user, increasing and increasing my doses. It's just so frustrating being a 25 year old, unable to explain to the person that is charge of fixing my body that the medication is not potent enough to make my pain subside. I feel like my age, my looks, and the nature in which I snapped my arm (skateboarding), puts me into a category in which the surgeon needs to be extra cautious while judging me to see if I'm just trying to get "high". I broke my other arm when I was 15, and it's so ironic because I believe they gave me the 5/500 hydrocodone and after the first night, the pain was so excruciating, my dad took my into the hospital first thing in the morning. They did not even hesitate to inject me with Morphine and write me a brand new script for what he said was called Vicodin ES. I assume they were 10/1000mg? This would have been around 2001/2002. I just don't get that if these synthetic narcotics are legalized for coping with intense pain, why doctors would be so concerned about finding the correct dose to alleviate the pain. If I was a doctor, I would have been much more concerned about giving the 15year old me too high of a dose versus the 25year old me. I had no knowledge of opiates and their effects until I broke my arm that year, and really, that situation is what ultimately got me into using the drugs recreationally.
verso
Bluelighter
People around here hate APAP. Honestly even 3-4grams in one sitting has no effect at all. Its dosing like that on regular basis that will harm you but i really doubt doing so once does any harm at all.
Just dont do 10.5 grams at once.
Since you will be taking these every day for a couple months CWE is really the only way to go though.
There's good reason to hate APAP. We're learning things about APAP now that we never knew before. It's more destructive even in smaller doses than we originally suspected, and that's the reason for the FDA's recent ruling, now effectively reducing the amount of APAP in all prescribed painkillers.
TheLostBoys
Bluelighter
Exactly! Every year about 58,000 people overdose on Tylenol & approximately 250 people die from it. I find pure codeine phosphate is better for you than apap garbage. The government wants to give you a pain med that takes away the pain minimal but they do not want to see you being happy or enjoying the pain med at all.