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Taking the edge off of 2C-I?

3 hours in I decided it was enough so I took 1mg clonazepam and it helped a bit, but there was some residual stimulation and the body load was still uncomfortable. I've only tried 2c-I twice and at 15mg both times, but the annoying overstimulation, nausea, and the inability to control body temperature almost killed the positive mood enhancing properties of this phen for me.

Took 10mg plugged and turned out fine. Very nice visuals! (the city looked so bright and cartoony; it was like the Vegas Spaceport!). Occasionally my mind would start to wander to a darker place, but I had read a post earlier in the day that said "2c-i pushes all bad thoughts aside"; I made that my mantra and it was a very fun night for both of us. Sexual play was fun with my mind racing with all kinds of thoughts and images. Lacked the intimacy of MDMA though; for example really didn't have the desire to look in each others eyes, and while skin textures felt interesting it wasn't the irresistible feeling when rolling.

Three hours was exactly our limit too! I started sweating pretty heavy and just felt so exhausted and over-stimulated and just had enough; was starting to get that "I can't escape" feeling; so we popped some xanax and some ambien and slept it off and felt fine in the morning.

We're considering trying it mixed with MDMA; would probably be pretty intense but pretty awesome for a couple hours; I'm wondering if the MDMA would make that three hour mark tolerable or even still enjoyable or would the opposite happen. Logic would suggest taking less of each dose, but since we already take around the threshold for each (120mg mdma and 10mg 2c-i) that lowering either one would not give the desired effect of that drug....

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the advice!
 
IME:

Alcohol + 2C-E = eew, how could I drink this stuff -> 3/4ths full can of beer the next morning

Alcohol + 2C-I/2C-B = wake up hung over as fuck, having had a third of a bottle of hard liqour when i started out just intending to have a couple drinks. Friend had the same experience. Low dose of 2C-I/B seems to make alcohol more moreish.

Xanax + 4-HO-MET (havn't tried it with a 2C, though I should), wonderful relaxed carefree trip. Little to no insight, this is purely recreational.

I'd go with a low dose of xanax to take the edge off 2C-I. 0.5-1mg should be just about right.
 
Took 10mg plugged and turned out fine. Very nice visuals! (the city looked so bright and cartoony; it was like the Vegas Spaceport!). Occasionally my mind would start to wander to a darker place, but I had read a post earlier in the day that said "2c-i pushes all bad thoughts aside"; I made that my mantra and it was a very fun night for both of us. Sexual play was fun with my mind racing with all kinds of thoughts and images. Lacked the intimacy of MDMA though; for example really didn't have the desire to look in each others eyes, and while skin textures felt interesting it wasn't the irresistible feeling when rolling.

Man, I have no idea how you people can get it on on 2c-I. My thing shrivels up little a turtle going into its shell and I doubt for the life of me I could maintain a hard-on :o
 
Man, I have no idea how you people can get it on on 2c-I. My thing shrivels up little a turtle going into its shell and I doubt for the life of me I could maintain a hard-on :o

well, that's me on mdma and that was me on 2c-i too when I was working it myself, but her mouth felt sooooo soft and I had these wild images in my head of these woodland fairy girls (lol!); couldn't come, but was able to stay hard for a few minutes at least, so I considered it a real accomplishment!
 
interesting how the 2C-E and nausea thread gets a hundred recommendations for benadryl (diphenhydramine) but no mention in this one yet?
 
2C-E has some very specific bindings to serotonin receptors in the body that cause its often intense but unfocused "discomforture." Benedryl relieves those things about 2C-E rather specifically. It is not suggested there as some generalized " relaxant." I don't really think it would have any purpose with 2C-I... though I did think it made the 2C-E a little MORE intense in psychedelic effect, so I think combining Benedryl with 2C-I *SHOULD* be done, but not for reasons of lessening "bodyload". The only load OP is complaining about is just excess stimulation. With 2C-E its a whole other ball of wax (extreme nausea, wooziness, strange bodywide aches and pains and something akin to "restless body syndrome" where you just cannot get comfortable. Again, which Benedryl seems to resolve.) Who knows, it might make 2C-I feel smoother too, I dunno, I hope someone familiar with 2C-I tries a combo with benedryl and reports on it because I dont think they have yet, that might be interesting.

I for one LIKE the moderately stimulating "side effects" of 2C-I and find them to be ENJOYABLE. They are totally expected, not like some unwanted visitor. I am taking a phenethyhlamine after all. Speed is a phen. I know what sorts of things they do. Why take one then whine about the well known effects spectrum of this class of substance? I don't get it frankly.
 
I for one LIKE the moderately stimulating "side effects" of 2C-I and find them to be ENJOYABLE. They are totally expected, not like some unwanted visitor. I am taking a phenethyhlamine after all. Speed is a phen. I know what sorts of things they do. Why take one then whine about the well known effects spectrum of this class of substance? I don't get it frankly.

I didn't think I was whining, but if there was something to make a mostly enjoyable experience even more enjoyable then I was interested in hearing about it.
Remember, some of us don't have access to an array of substances. Some of us are considerably older, have very few social contacts, live in a rural area, and have very limited experience.
 
I didn't think I was whining, but if there was something to make a mostly enjoyable experience even more enjoyable then I was interested in hearing about it.
Remember, some of us don't have access to an array of substances. Some of us are considerably older, have very few social contacts, live in a rural area, and have very limited experience.

Sorry, I can be overly sarcastic sometimes just to amuse myself. Your question was cool, just not alot that can be done about it realistically, just learn to enjoy it as much as possible, is what I should have said. <3
 
agreed, i like the stimulating properties of 2c-i as well. 2c-i is such a pleasant trip, i literally don't think I can have a bad trip on 2c-i, even with the stimulation, it's such a feel good psychedelic with sweet visuals and little to no mind fuck.
 
I know the body loads of 2c's do tend to vary from head to head. A good friend of mine who is an accomplished psychonaut by all means told me he disliked 2c-i as he "found the body load to be excruciating". So who knows what kind of feel the OP had with it..
 
2C-E has some very specific bindings to serotonin receptors in the body that cause its often intense but unfocused "discomforture." Benedryl relieves those things about 2C-E rather specifically. It is not suggested there as some generalized " relaxant." I don't really think it would have any purpose with 2C-I... though I did think it made the 2C-E a little MORE intense in psychedelic effect, so I think combining Benedryl with 2C-I *SHOULD* be done, but not for reasons of lessening "bodyload". The only load OP is complaining about is just excess stimulation. With 2C-E its a whole other ball of wax (extreme nausea, wooziness, strange bodywide aches and pains and something akin to "restless body syndrome" where you just cannot get comfortable. Again, which Benedryl seems to resolve.) Who knows, it might make 2C-I feel smoother too, I dunno, I hope someone familiar with 2C-I tries a combo with benedryl and reports on it because I dont think they have yet, that might be interesting.

I for one LIKE the moderately stimulating "side effects" of 2C-I and find them to be ENJOYABLE. They are totally expected, not like some unwanted visitor. I am taking a phenethyhlamine after all. Speed is a phen. I know what sorts of things they do. Why take one then whine about the well known effects spectrum of this class of substance? I don't get it frankly.

Can you post any references regarding this 2c-e benadryl pharmacology? I'm not doubting and I've heard it many times, but have never once see any reputable evidence backing this theory or really, any specifics at all regarding just how the pharmacology of benadryl interacts with 2c-e to reduce body load. Just heard vague stuff like "2C-E has some very specific bindings to serotonin receptors in the body that cause its often intense but unfocused "discomforture." Benedryl relieves those things about 2C-E rather specifically." What binding causes the body load and how does benadryl work to relieve it? Just curious.
 
These remarks were from a now-kaput forum I was in, and no I don't have any references. But I think it was discussed that the symptoms of 2C-E discomfort (which are nicely detailed on its wikipedia page) are caused by peripheral (i.e., non-brain) binding to serotonin receptors throughout the body and digestive system. And that somehow dihenhydramine (which also has its own wiki page with lots of interesting history as well as pharmacological info... fascinating substance) prevents this, thus relieving the body load. Seems to work for the majority of people, though not all.

You can find lots and lots of chat about the combo by googling 2c-e (benadryl OR diphenhydramine) ...so you might dig around those results and perhaps if you go back a ways you could find specifics mentioned once upon a time... I dont have time right now to do this, sorry.

I recall the body load was described as having "extra-pyramidal" like side effects (pyramidal is a type of serotonin responsive neuron that some LSD and 2C drugs bind to in the brain, which seems necessary for the psychedelic effects). "Extra" I think refers to sites not in the brain but around the body? ... not real clear on the terminology. So anyway searching for dihenhydramine pyramidal I came across the following (and alot of other refs), which mentions treatment with diphenhydramine

Drug-Induced Extrapyramidal Reactions
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/177/10/665.abstract

As to why 2C-E should be particularly strong in this "extra-pyramidal" side effect as compared to other drugs, I dunno, but some biomed folks at that old forum were saying that is exactly what the symptoms in the complex of 2C-E bodyload effects sounded like, like it binds to serotonin outside the brain stronger than other drugs, and this is what the benedryl is relieving.

As an aside there is a good description of the 2C-E bodyload here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E

2C-E's chemical structure is fairly different from that of LSD, and while the both are serotonin agonists, 2C-E's body load is a highly unusual one. Several users have described it, roughly, as a "profound feeling of general discomfort". It is sometimes characterized by urges to shift the position of one's body, strong nausea at high doses leading often to vomiting, itching, prolonged tensing of unusual combinations of muscle groups which can occur without the user's knowledge over a long period of time, diarrhea, and an accompanying feeling of "disconnection from one's digestive tract". Other users report little or no body load on 2C-E, and experience instead a strong euphoria.​


Following that page's link "body load" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_load you find this:

The causes of the subjective experience of body load are unknown. However, one proposed mechanism is the stimulation of serotonergic 5-HT receptors[1], particularly those involved in tactile sensation and, equally importantly in many cases where nausea is experienced, those located along the lining of the digestive tract. Serotonin is heavily involved in appetite control, and over-stimulation of serotonergic receptors has been shown to cause nausea in overdoses of SSRIs or MDMA. Many psychedelics which can cause body load are partial serotonin agonists, which work by mimicking the structure of serotonin to varying degrees.
[edit] Notes

^ PHARMACOLOGY OF SEROTONIN AND AGENTS ACTING AT SEROTONERGIC RECEPTORS. Goodman and Gilman, Chap. 11, pp. 249–263 and Chap. 38, pp. 928–934​

Sorry I cant be of more help, but there are some hints to start looking at if you want a research project :) Let us know if you find anything more exact.
 
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I for one LIKE the moderately stimulating "side effects" of 2C-I and find them to be ENJOYABLE. They are totally expected, not like some unwanted visitor. I am taking a phenethyhlamine after all. Speed is a phen. I know what sorts of things they do. Why take one then whine about the well known effects spectrum of this class of substance? I don't get it frankly.
Because the stimulation I get from 2C-I is completely unlike the stimulation I get from traditional stimulants. It's a deep feeling of restlessness and the overall body load is similar to the symptoms you described of 2C-E. Remember that everybody's body chemistry is different; for me the stimulation is unpleasant and borders on killing the enjoyable aspect of the trip, but for others it is no big deal.
 
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