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Television Breaking Bad

so, since i disagree with most of you, i'm a miserable cynic? please.

amor said:
L2R - I really do not understand why you continue to post in this thread since you hate it so much. That'd be like me constantly visiting a thread about Two and a Half Men. It's near trolling IMO.
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nearly? praps i should troll harder, huh?

as already noted, my first post was a shitstir with max power. the rest were brief replies to MrGrunge. at least i was polite about my view, unlike the many comments about me. should i ignore people? or be a rude prick...

Treatderek said:
Haha, I don't understand how someone could say it has lost it's sense of humour, I laughed numerous times in the last episode alone. Every time Jesse adds bitch to the end of a sentence it brings a smile to my face
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oh wow ... you consider THAT humour?

how easily entertained do you have to be to enjoy thus show? who was it that posted about dancing around their room in delight from walt dropping one "hardass" catchphrase?

friggin lulz!

sorry kids, i enjoy plenty thank you. good things.
 
Treatderek said:
Haha, I don't understand how someone could say it has lost it's sense of humour, I laughed numerous times in the last episode alone. Every time Jesse adds bitch to the end of a sentence it brings a smile to my face
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Damn straight, bitch. Rhoomba cam was fucking awesome. The guy in obvious methamphetamine psychosis trying to get it open with a screw driver had me laughing my ass off. I've been there with my amphetamines, whenever I get into psychosis I always think I'm solving some sort of puzzle, when I'm actually just twirling my e-cig syringe in the air and nearly poking my own eye out.

Here's something I just found:


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^ Haha. Just re-reading the Kafkaesque line again makes me side with the camp saying its lost some of its humor. Walt throwing the pizza scene? Fuckin hilarious. Walt getting maced? lulz. These more-than-a-chuckle moments aren't happening for me (yet) this season.. well, besides the Better Call Saul commercial and basically anything Bob Odenkirk makes me laugh.
 
AmorRoark said:
^ Haha. Just re-reading the Kafkaesque line again makes me side with the camp saying its lost some of its humor. Walt throwing the pizza scene? Fuckin hilarious. Walt getting maced? lulz. These more-than-a-chuckle moments aren't happening for me (yet) this season.. well, besides the Better Call Saul commercial and basically anything Bob Odenkirk makes me laugh.
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This season has been darker, but the whole dissolving Victor in acid thing was done with some good humor. Also, seeing Walt and Jesse in those dorky ass clothes, and Jesse making the joke about Gale "Hah, I'll bet he's sorry now" with a little smirk.

In this episode, we had some nice Skinny Pete and Badger moments, with them talking about shooting zombies in the head at the absolute most inappropriate time for Jesse, to the Rhoomba appearing, and the Rhoomba cam with the methed out guy trying to take it apart, to the conversation about why they don't cut the pizza (shot out to roof pizza in season 3 episode 2). Also the Saul commercial. It will get darker, as the writers and creator say it will, but there will always be elements of dark humor. They're just harder to spot because of the general unease, depression and darkness surrounding the events.

This past episode had some great music during the parties. I loved the digital animal song at the end. Not usually my style, but it all fit in well with the episode.
 
PepperSocks said:
Actually in real chemistry that's not true, and it brought out a fault in my hypothesis. In Breaking Bad's version of chemistry going the P2P+Methylamine route makes blue meth, and pseudoephedrine made meth is clear. Such is not the case. P2P+methylamine 100% meth is clear too. 100% methamphetamine is 100% methamphetamine; how it got there and what materials were used does not matter if it's 100% pure because no precursors are left in the final product. 100% methamphetamine is clear; ipso factso.

One could say that when Walt changed synthesis routes it turned blue because of an impurity in his precursors or a synthetic byproduct made in his synthesis. What I'm saying is perhaps that 0.9% contaminant that's causing blue colour is from a mineral in the precursors (which LE can use to trace their source), if that is Hank's current project it would be a neat plotline.

As far as reality goes, when Walt changed routes; as long as he was making similar purity product as he was with pseudo it shouldn't change colour. As it is all one needs to make more pure product is perform more and more purification steps (added labour, but better product).
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I wonder if you noticed the 500 mL RBF containing a purple fluid in the last episode. It was on a ringstand in the underground lab. I don't remember having seen that color reagent in previous episodes. A metal catalyst maybe. Like here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg3HYGvVbSo
 
3 said:
This season has been darker, but the whole dissolving Victor in acid thing was done with some good humor. Also, seeing Walt and Jesse in those dorky ass clothes, and Jesse making the joke about Gale "Hah, I'll bet he's sorry now" with a little smirk.

In this episode, we had some nice Skinny Pete and Badger moments, with them talking about shooting zombies in the head at the absolute most inappropriate time for Jesse, to the Rhoomba appearing, and the Rhoomba cam with the methed out guy trying to take it apart, to the conversation about why they don't cut the pizza (shot out to roof pizza in season 3 episode 2). Also the Saul commercial. It will get darker, as the writers and creator say it will, but there will always be elements of dark humor. They're just harder to spot because of the general unease, depression and darkness surrounding the events.

This past episode had some great music during the parties. I loved the digital animal song at the end. Not usually my style, but it all fit in well with the episode.
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Yeah, I thought those parts were funny but not like they have been in the past. I thought their ability to turn the heavy comedy on was a plus to the show. Don't get me wrong, I still love it and I *get* it's just darker this season but I wish we had more laugh out loud moments. :)
 
We need more Saul. He is essential to the framework of this show. Without him, it might be too dark. Which I wouldn't mind either, this show has given me enough laughs, and I doubt we will have a single one come series finale time. Each season has gotten progressively darker and less humorous than the last, but the explosions have also been bigger and more satisfying. I also can't recall them killing off a beloved character. Nobody gave a shit about Victor, we all wanted Tuco dead, but if you kill off a guy like Saul, Hank, or Jesse the entire dynamic changes. Obviously, you can't kill these guys off until later, unless you want to pull a Rescue Me. You lose viewers in a show about character development when you kill off well developed characters. I don't know if I could continue if they killed off Jesse. If he goes, it has to be very close to the end.
 
So here's a basic question I guess: with proper chemistry training, would it really be that difficult to replicate Walt's process? Like why wasn't Gale able to bridge the gulf between 96% and 99.1%?
I really like the dynamic between Walt and Jesse now though. At first it was like Walt was all thumbs, but a genius, and Jesse was the one with all the "street smarts," then it was like Jesse was just brash and downwardly spiraling and Walt was all business, then it was like Walt was more badass than ever and Jesse was just kinda going through the motions, now it's like Walt is visibly shaken by the whole thing, yet still sure of himself and every bit a genius, but Jesse is more calm and collected than ever. At least that's how it seemed during the "everyone's on the same page" scene. It was like they both were essential for the other one now, rather than Walt just dragging Jesse along out of some soft feelings of charity or loyalty or something.
I know Jesse looked like he was dealing with his issues in his own way, and he's probably setting up for some kinda fall if he's going back on the junkie path. He's probably gonna either force the issue with Gus or his henchmen by being all strung out one day, or Walt.
I feel like those new loudspeakers he's got are going to be his undoing in someway or another.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
So here's a basic question I guess: with proper chemistry training, would it really be that difficult to replicate Walt's process? Like why wasn't Gale able to bridge the gulf between 96% and 99.1%?
I really like the dynamic between Walt and Jesse now though. At first it was like Walt was all thumbs, but a genius, and Jesse was the one with all the "street smarts," then it was like Jesse was just brash and downwardly spiraling and Walt was all business, then it was like Walt was more badass than ever and Jesse was just kinda going through the motions, now it's like Walt is visibly shaken by the whole thing, yet still sure of himself and every bit a genius, but Jesse is more calm and collected than ever. At least that's how it seemed during the "everyone's on the same page" scene. It was like they both were essential for the other one now, rather than Walt just dragging Jesse along out of some soft feelings of charity or loyalty or something.
I know Jesse looked like he was dealing with his issues in his own way, and he's probably setting up for some kinda fall if he's going back on the junkie path. He's probably gonna either force the issue with Gus or his henchmen by being all strung out one day, or Walt.
I feel like those new loudspeakers he's got are going to be his undoing in someway or another.
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I think what the diner scene illustrated is that while Walt is certainly smarter than Jesse, Jesse still knows more about crime. He isn't even pondering a next move because he knows he won. But Walt is ever paranoid, and is just making things worse for himself. He's pressing the issue of Gus finding another chemist, when a little bit of stability might have solved everything. Walt knows chemistry, and he is incredibly smart, but he wasn't raised by the streets the way Jesse, Gus and Mike were. He doesn't understand the entire criminal code, and Jesse displayed a perfect understanding of it. He knows if he fucks up again, he is dead, and after killing Gale, I don't even think he would mind it, provided he couldn't see it coming. That's the life you have to accept if you become a career criminal, and Walt hasn't come to that yet. He has too many other concerns and responsibilities. He was a much more effective criminal when he knew he was going to die, now he is just a bumbling idiot.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
So here's a basic question I guess: with proper chemistry training, would it really be that difficult to replicate Walt's process? Like why wasn't Gale able to bridge the gulf between 96% and 99.1%?
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No. An organic chemistry undergrad (for instance) can make pharm-grade meth given a good lab and good reagents. Some people have a problem with this plot hole, but chemistry isn't as essential to the show as it used to be. Willing suspension of disbelief and all that.

Walt's meth was very marketable in the earlier scenario, in which his competitors were a bunch of tweaker cooks.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
So here's a basic question I guess: with proper chemistry training, would it really be that difficult to replicate Walt's process? Like why wasn't Gale able to bridge the gulf between 96% and 99.1%?
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No sir, anyone with basic understanding of organic chem can do it. Say you crank out 60% meth from a crude process; no problem. Perform a purification step (acid/base extraction basically); brings it up to 90%, do another one; 95%, another one, another one, etc.

However there is a smidge of truth in Gale's words. As purity goes higher, it gets exponentially harder to get higher than that. For example it's easy to jump 30% from 60% to 90%, but it takes a lot more work to go 3% from 96% to 99%. The principles are the same, the number of purification steps increases and gets more labourous but intellectually it's no harder, it's just having to repeat things more and more.

Yes the chemistry is a plot hole but even as a chem nut I'm able to overlook it; it's TV and I like it. :)

I feel like those new loudspeakers he's got are going to be his undoing in someway or another.
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I was thinking that the whole episode. When Jesse's girlfriend came I thought for sure it was the cops because of a noise complaint and would then see the scene inside, bongs, pile of white on the table, etc.

Jesse needs to smarten up and keep a lower profile. I think he's too messed up to care right now though.
 
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CoffeeDrinker said:
That, and the clothes Walt had to change into, were the two funniest parts.
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I actually have those exact khaki Levi's and wear them all the time...

Edit- Here they are...

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(I wouldn't mind being forced to wear these...)
 
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L2R said:
MrGrunge, i don't see anything fleshed out, complex or realistic about the bb characters. there's a difference between having flawed characters and having obnoxious idiots filling the screen.

As for that inexplicable note, jessie was no real threat. Walt caused more trouble by making that decision than had he not. So, imo, he made a ridiculous decision for no serious reason (other than to provoke the subsequent drama). That's just cheap writing, I really didn't care what happens since it was all balanced on that stupidity. Same goes for the money fire/pool sequence at the start of the second season.
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Jesse was clearly a threat, in that he already had Hank by the balls and was prepared to continue cooking, even though he was bound to get caught (due to all of the DEA attention) and sell Walt out. That's a pretty big threat considering that Jesse is one of the hugest loose ends in Walt's scheme. It's the opposite of cheap writing. The motivation for every action in the series is because of an imminent threat to one or more people close to Walt, not some cheap, ambiguous writing cop-out. As for the fire/pool sequence, I saw it as a transitory phase for Walt: he was trying to decide if the money was really worth all of the crap he was putting himself through with the law, criminals, and his crumbling family, and at that point in the story, the money was the only thing left to tie him to all of that. But, of course, he decided against it because, duh, it's a lot of fucking money. People are impulsive, they make rash decisions in the midst of such existential confusion Again, I don't see how that detracts from anything.
 
L2R said:
as already noted, my first post was a shitstir with max power.
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AmorRoark said:
^ Haha. Just re-reading the Kafkaesque line again makes me side with the camp saying its lost some of its humor. Walt throwing the pizza scene? Fuckin hilarious. Walt getting maced? lulz. These more-than-a-chuckle moments aren't happening for me (yet) this season.. well, besides the Better Call Saul commercial and basically anything Bob Odenkirk makes me laugh.
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Kafka & Bob Odenkirk in the same post?

Call off the wedding, imo. ;)
 
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