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Bluelighter
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i posted this in the ecstasy forum saying this wasn't a trip report, rather a commentary on methylone and butylone..but i feel like i could gain something out of posting it in the trip forum. sorry, i'm not trying to attention whore or anything, just kind of confused in what forum it truly belongs. Mods can delete whichever thread they like in whichever forum. I just want some insight into this experience.
i'd like to know what you guys have to think about this.. if amounts/prices/whatever aren't allowed, it's the wrong section/whatever, mod please feel free to delete, move, or edit this however you like.
i had picked up a jar of blue ghost pokeballs the friday before 4th of July. now for some background:i'm very familiar with all different types of pokeballs and pokeball copycats, usually picking up a jar or half jar of each different stamp that comes out as soon as it hits the street..i had taken a break from picking up pills when I realized that Original Pokeballs had stopped being made. I think the last original pokeball stamp were the white mac pokeballs which i had the pleasure of trying out. anyways i hadn't rolled for 3 months and had the itch to roll again. i called up my close friend to see what he had for sale, he told me Blue Ghost Pokeballs. Now during my break from rolling, I had visitited pillreports and ecstasydata several times daily to see what was going through the streets, and i knew in a flash that these were the pokeball copycats that contained Methylone and Butylone. I had specifically avoided anything but confirmed MDMA my whole life. I was very reluctant, but erowid and bluelight convinced me that it was something worth trying out and i took the plunge. I bought 5 from my friend just to try them out, and it was almost indistinguishable from real MDMA. satisfied with my experience, i called him up and placed my order, picked it up within 20 minutes. later that night, i was reminded why i had stopped rolling. i have no self control. knowing they weren't MDMA, i assumed more pills could be consumed without causing much more damage, which couldn't be any more wrong. I ended up taking 26 pills that night. I think Methylone has very addictive properties, and combined with my compulsiveness, i kept redosing like a motherfucker. Now Ecstasy data says the ratio of Methylone to Butylone is 2:1 in these specific pills, and the overall mg content of the pill is 244mg.
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2176 for reference.
i was double dropping, triple dropping, and plugged more than half of them during a 3 hour period. i had a great time rolling just going on the computer talking with friends. until it was comedown time. i started to suffer extreme tachycardia. i would say my heart rate was at about 180 bpm. i wanted to walk to my parents' room and tell them that i needed to go to the hospital. but previous experiences told me that i could usually ride it out and laugh at how silly i was later on. looking back, this was serious shit and I should have gone to the hospital, but i stuck it out. i curled up in my bed, heart beating, i felt like i was on the verge of a heart attack. laying there i began hallucinating, i had a 40 minute conversation with a girl in a sleeping bag on my floor that didn't exist. i saw the door to my room in doubles, with the duplicate image of my door floating in the middle of my room. a second girl in a shawl visited me in my room and asked me several questions " why are you harming yourself" "why are you so self destructive" etc, etc. a scarf hanging from my bookshelf became a panther, crawling, lurking throughout my room. watching me.
i rode this out to morning. I try standing up, and it was just as it had been when i took 800 mg MDMA in 4 hours. i felt so weak, so light headed, my heart felt like it was going to burst, i was short breathed, heart fluttering. i would take 2 steps and everything would turn black and purple, and you know how usually that goes away after standing up to fast? it wouldn't and i had to sit down. now heres the fucked part...
i felt like i was 60 feet tall. my feet felt like they were size 20. i was stumbling around because i wasn't used to feeling my body like this. i had never before felt so dysmorphic and unproportioned. I would compare this to like how things are on shrooms, everything has an extra curve to it or something. Every step I would take in my new size 20 shoes, was like anticipating a curb drop, but finding only level surface, throwing you off sync and off rhythm.
now get this.
my body was turned ORANGE. completely flushed orange head to toe. i looked like i bathed in carrot juice. and i fucking REEKED of vanilla, my bed still smells like it today..i can still smell it faintly on my skin..and its only noticeable to me..the smell haunts me haha..
on top of all this i found out i was 15 pounds skinnier than i should have been, i looked gaunt, weak, orange. my heart was about to give out. i'm afraid i suffered lasting cardiotoxicity from this..and i think it was the butylone that was to blame for this, i think butylone has cardiotoxic properties..just a hunch..(anyone confirm this for me please)? anyways i play it off to my parents that i have a cold, i lay in bed for 3 days just browsing my laptop clutching my heart, taking deep breaths to combat the heart flutters and shortbreathedness...
i started to smoke weed in bed to combat the shitty strungout, jet lagged, feeling like a giant feeling. thats when the audio hallucinations began. i would hear my mom having conversations on the phone when there was nobody in the house, i would hear cars pulling up to my house that didnt exist, etc etc. it was not scary, it was annoying as fuck. i would answer the doorbell for people that didn't exist..i rode the audio hallucinations out...the weed really helped, was a real life saver. besiddes the audio hallucinations, it was what my body needed most. it stimulated my appetite and just. thank god for teh marijuanas. probably didn't help that it was a sativa from the clinic, those usually cause minute audio hallucinations even when i'm completely normal.
anyways 26 blue ghost pokeballs, 2:1 ratio at 244 mg a pill give or take. i'm thinking i did about 24-2600 mg methylone, and not sure about the butylone.
i honestly don't know how i'm alive. but here i am. the reason why i did so much is personal, and i was in a very bad place and i'm never going to do that again. i'm scared for the future of my heart because of this day. any commentary on this would be appreciated, and here's my advice. with methylone, know your limits, and ignore the impulse to redose. this shits like cocaine with how strong the urge can become. and don't exceed 500 mg.
i'd like to know what you guys have to think about this.. if amounts/prices/whatever aren't allowed, it's the wrong section/whatever, mod please feel free to delete, move, or edit this however you like.
i had picked up a jar of blue ghost pokeballs the friday before 4th of July. now for some background:i'm very familiar with all different types of pokeballs and pokeball copycats, usually picking up a jar or half jar of each different stamp that comes out as soon as it hits the street..i had taken a break from picking up pills when I realized that Original Pokeballs had stopped being made. I think the last original pokeball stamp were the white mac pokeballs which i had the pleasure of trying out. anyways i hadn't rolled for 3 months and had the itch to roll again. i called up my close friend to see what he had for sale, he told me Blue Ghost Pokeballs. Now during my break from rolling, I had visitited pillreports and ecstasydata several times daily to see what was going through the streets, and i knew in a flash that these were the pokeball copycats that contained Methylone and Butylone. I had specifically avoided anything but confirmed MDMA my whole life. I was very reluctant, but erowid and bluelight convinced me that it was something worth trying out and i took the plunge. I bought 5 from my friend just to try them out, and it was almost indistinguishable from real MDMA. satisfied with my experience, i called him up and placed my order, picked it up within 20 minutes. later that night, i was reminded why i had stopped rolling. i have no self control. knowing they weren't MDMA, i assumed more pills could be consumed without causing much more damage, which couldn't be any more wrong. I ended up taking 26 pills that night. I think Methylone has very addictive properties, and combined with my compulsiveness, i kept redosing like a motherfucker. Now Ecstasy data says the ratio of Methylone to Butylone is 2:1 in these specific pills, and the overall mg content of the pill is 244mg.
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2176 for reference.
i was double dropping, triple dropping, and plugged more than half of them during a 3 hour period. i had a great time rolling just going on the computer talking with friends. until it was comedown time. i started to suffer extreme tachycardia. i would say my heart rate was at about 180 bpm. i wanted to walk to my parents' room and tell them that i needed to go to the hospital. but previous experiences told me that i could usually ride it out and laugh at how silly i was later on. looking back, this was serious shit and I should have gone to the hospital, but i stuck it out. i curled up in my bed, heart beating, i felt like i was on the verge of a heart attack. laying there i began hallucinating, i had a 40 minute conversation with a girl in a sleeping bag on my floor that didn't exist. i saw the door to my room in doubles, with the duplicate image of my door floating in the middle of my room. a second girl in a shawl visited me in my room and asked me several questions " why are you harming yourself" "why are you so self destructive" etc, etc. a scarf hanging from my bookshelf became a panther, crawling, lurking throughout my room. watching me.
i rode this out to morning. I try standing up, and it was just as it had been when i took 800 mg MDMA in 4 hours. i felt so weak, so light headed, my heart felt like it was going to burst, i was short breathed, heart fluttering. i would take 2 steps and everything would turn black and purple, and you know how usually that goes away after standing up to fast? it wouldn't and i had to sit down. now heres the fucked part...
i felt like i was 60 feet tall. my feet felt like they were size 20. i was stumbling around because i wasn't used to feeling my body like this. i had never before felt so dysmorphic and unproportioned. I would compare this to like how things are on shrooms, everything has an extra curve to it or something. Every step I would take in my new size 20 shoes, was like anticipating a curb drop, but finding only level surface, throwing you off sync and off rhythm.
now get this.
my body was turned ORANGE. completely flushed orange head to toe. i looked like i bathed in carrot juice. and i fucking REEKED of vanilla, my bed still smells like it today..i can still smell it faintly on my skin..and its only noticeable to me..the smell haunts me haha..
on top of all this i found out i was 15 pounds skinnier than i should have been, i looked gaunt, weak, orange. my heart was about to give out. i'm afraid i suffered lasting cardiotoxicity from this..and i think it was the butylone that was to blame for this, i think butylone has cardiotoxic properties..just a hunch..(anyone confirm this for me please)? anyways i play it off to my parents that i have a cold, i lay in bed for 3 days just browsing my laptop clutching my heart, taking deep breaths to combat the heart flutters and shortbreathedness...
i started to smoke weed in bed to combat the shitty strungout, jet lagged, feeling like a giant feeling. thats when the audio hallucinations began. i would hear my mom having conversations on the phone when there was nobody in the house, i would hear cars pulling up to my house that didnt exist, etc etc. it was not scary, it was annoying as fuck. i would answer the doorbell for people that didn't exist..i rode the audio hallucinations out...the weed really helped, was a real life saver. besiddes the audio hallucinations, it was what my body needed most. it stimulated my appetite and just. thank god for teh marijuanas. probably didn't help that it was a sativa from the clinic, those usually cause minute audio hallucinations even when i'm completely normal.
anyways 26 blue ghost pokeballs, 2:1 ratio at 244 mg a pill give or take. i'm thinking i did about 24-2600 mg methylone, and not sure about the butylone.
i honestly don't know how i'm alive. but here i am. the reason why i did so much is personal, and i was in a very bad place and i'm never going to do that again. i'm scared for the future of my heart because of this day. any commentary on this would be appreciated, and here's my advice. with methylone, know your limits, and ignore the impulse to redose. this shits like cocaine with how strong the urge can become. and don't exceed 500 mg.
. take care of yourself and be safe, drugs can be fun but they can be harmful as well.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Didn't your 800 mg MDMA experience teach you something? 
