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methylone and butylone overdose

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this is not really a trip report..it's more of a commentary on what happens when you do way too much methylone and butylone combined. i'd like to know what you guys have to think about this.. if amounts/prices/whatever aren't allowed, it's the wrong section/whatever, mod please feel free to delete, move, or edit this however you like.

i had picked up a jar of blue ghost pokeballs the friday before 4th of July. now for some background:i'm very familiar with all different types of pokeballs and pokeball copycats, usually picking up a jar or half jar of each different stamp that comes out as soon as it hits the street..i had taken a break from picking up pills when I realized that Original Pokeballs had stopped being made. I think the last original pokeball stamp were the white mac pokeballs which i had the pleasure of trying out. anyways i hadn't rolled for 3 months and had the itch to roll again. i called up my close friend to see what he had for sale, he told me Blue Ghost Pokeballs. Now during my break from rolling, I had visitited pillreports and ecstasydata several times daily to see what was going through the streets, and i knew in a flash that these were the pokeball copycats that contained Methylone and Butylone. I had specifically avoided anything but confirmed MDMA my whole life. I was very reluctant, but erowid and bluelight convinced me that it was something worth trying out and i took the plunge. I bought 5 from my friend just to try them out, and it was almost indistinguishable from real MDMA. satisfied with my experience, i called him up and placed my order, picked it up within 20 minutes. later that night, i was reminded why i had stopped rolling. i have no self control. knowing they weren't MDMA, i assumed more pills could be consumed without causing much more damage, which couldn't be any more wrong. I ended up taking 26 pills that night. I think Methylone has very addictive properties, and combined with my compulsiveness, i kept redosing like a motherfucker. Now Ecstasy data says the ratio of Methylone to Butylone is 2:1 in these specific pills, and the overall mg content of the pill is 244mg.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2176 for reference.

i was double dropping, triple dropping, and plugged more than half of them during a 3 hour period. i had a great time rolling just going on the computer talking with friends. until it was comedown time. i started to suffer extreme tachycardia. i would say my heart rate was at about 180 bpm. i wanted to walk to my parents' room and tell them that i needed to go to the hospital. but previous experiences told me that i could usually ride it out and laugh at how silly i was later on. looking back, this was serious shit and I should have gone to the hospital, but i stuck it out. i curled up in my bed, heart beating, i felt like i was on the verge of a heart attack. laying there i began hallucinating, i had a 40 minute conversation with a girl in a sleeping bag on my floor that didn't exist. i saw the door to my room in doubles, with the duplicate image of my door floating in the middle of my room. a second girl in a shawl visited me in my room and asked me several questions " why are you harming yourself" "why are you so self destructive" etc, etc. a scarf hanging from my bookshelf became a panther, crawling, lurking throughout my room. watching me.

i rode this out to morning. I try standing up, and it was just as it had been when i took 800 mg MDMA in 4 hours. i felt so weak, so light headed, my heart felt like it was going to burst, i was short breathed, heart fluttering. i would take 2 steps and everything would turn black and purple, and you know how usually that goes away after standing up to fast? it wouldn't and i had to sit down. now heres the fucked part...

i felt like i was 60 feet tall. my feet felt like they were size 20. i was stumbling around because i wasn't used to feeling my body like this. i had never before felt so dysmorphic and unproportioned. I would compare this to like how things are on shrooms, everything has an extra curve to it or something. Every step I would take in my new size 20 shoes, was like anticipating a curb drop, but finding only level surface, throwing you off sync and off rhythm.

now get this.

my body was turned ORANGE. completely flushed orange head to toe. i looked like i bathed in carrot juice. and i fucking REEKED of vanilla, my bed still smells like it today..i can still smell it faintly on my skin..and its only noticeable to me..the smell haunts me haha..

on top of all this i found out i was 15 pounds skinnier than i should have been, i looked gaunt, weak, orange. my heart was about to give out. i'm afraid i suffered lasting cardiotoxicity from this..and i think it was the butylone that was to blame for this, i think butylone has cardiotoxic properties..just a hunch..(anyone confirm this for me please)? anyways i play it off to my parents that i have a cold, i lay in bed for 3 days just browsing my laptop clutching my heart, taking deep breaths to combat the heart flutters and shortbreathedness...

i started to smoke weed in bed to combat the shitty strungout, jet lagged, feeling like a giant feeling. thats when the audio hallucinations began. i would hear my mom having conversations on the phone when there was nobody in the house, i would hear cars pulling up to my house that didnt exist, etc etc. it was not scary, it was annoying as fuck. i would answer the doorbell for people that didn't exist..i rode the audio hallucinations out...the weed really helped, was a real life saver. besiddes the audio hallucinations, it was what my body needed most. it stimulated my appetite and just. thank god for teh marijuanas. probably didn't help that it was a sativa from the clinic, those usually cause minute audio hallucinations even when i'm completely normal.

anyways 26 blue ghost pokeballs, 2:1 ratio at 244 mg a pill give or take. i'm thinking i did about 24-2600 mg methylone, and not sure about the butylone.

i honestly don't know how i'm alive. but here i am. the reason why i did so much is personal, and i was in a very bad place and i'm never going to do that again. i'm scared for the future of my heart because of this day. any commentary on this would be appreciated, and here's my advice. with methylone, know your limits, and ignore the impulse to redose. this shits like cocaine with how strong the urge can become. and don't exceed 500 mg.
 
common sense should tell most people that eating 26 knowingly adultered pokeballs is going to be harmful...

glad you made it out alive I guess, that's a ridiculous story.
 
this is not really a trip report..it's more of a commentary on what happens when you do way too much methylone and butylone combined. i'd like to know what you guys have to think about this.. if amounts/prices/whatever aren't allowed, it's the wrong section/whatever, mod please feel free to delete, move, or edit this however you like.

i had picked up a jar of blue ghost pokeballs the friday before 4th of July. now for some background:i'm very familiar with all different types of pokeballs and pokeball copycats, usually picking up a jar or half jar of each different stamp that comes out as soon as it hits the street..i had taken a break from picking up pills when I realized that Original Pokeballs had stopped being made. I think the last original pokeball stamp were the white mac pokeballs which i had the pleasure of trying out. anyways i hadn't rolled for 3 months and had the itch to roll again. i called up my close friend to see what he had for sale, he told me Blue Ghost Pokeballs. Now during my break from rolling, I had visitited pillreports and ecstasydata several times daily to see what was going through the streets, and i knew in a flash that these were the pokeball copycats that contained Methylone and Butylone. I had specifically avoided anything but confirmed MDMA my whole life. I was very reluctant, but erowid and bluelight convinced me that it was something worth trying out and i took the plunge. I bought 5 from my friend just to try them out, and it was almost indistinguishable from real MDMA. satisfied with my experience, i called him up and placed my order, picked it up within 20 minutes. later that night, i was reminded why i had stopped rolling. i have no self control. knowing they weren't MDMA, i assumed more pills could be consumed without causing much more damage, which couldn't be any more wrong. I ended up taking 26 pills that night. I think Methylone has very addictive properties, and combined with my compulsiveness, i kept redosing like a motherfucker. Now Ecstasy data says the ratio of Methylone to Butylone is 2:1 in these specific pills, and the overall mg content of the pill is 244mg.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2176 for reference.

i was double dropping, triple dropping, and plugged more than half of them during a 3 hour period. i had a great time rolling just going on the computer talking with friends. until it was comedown time. i started to suffer extreme tachycardia. i would say my heart rate was at about 180 bpm. i wanted to walk to my parents' room and tell them that i needed to go to the hospital. but previous experiences told me that i could usually ride it out and laugh at how silly i was later on. looking back, this was serious shit and I should have gone to the hospital, but i stuck it out. i curled up in my bed, heart beating, i felt like i was on the verge of a heart attack. laying there i began hallucinating, i had a 40 minute conversation with a girl in a sleeping bag on my floor that didn't exist. i saw the door to my room in doubles, with the duplicate image of my door floating in the middle of my room. a second girl in a shawl visited me in my room and asked me several questions " why are you harming yourself" "why are you so self destructive" etc, etc. a scarf hanging from my bookshelf became a panther, crawling, lurking throughout my room. watching me.

i rode this out to morning. I try standing up, and it was just as it had been when i took 800 mg MDMA in 4 hours. i felt so weak, so light headed, my heart felt like it was going to burst, i was short breathed, heart fluttering. i would take 2 steps and everything would turn black and purple, and you know how usually that goes away after standing up to fast? it wouldn't and i had to sit down. now heres the fucked part...

i felt like i was 60 feet tall. my feet felt like they were size 20. i was stumbling around because i wasn't used to feeling my body like this. i had never before felt so dysmorphic and unproportioned. I would compare this to like how things are on shrooms, everything has an extra curve to it or something. Every step I would take in my new size 20 shoes, was like anticipating a curb drop, but finding only level surface, throwing you off sync and off rhythm.

now get this.

my body was turned ORANGE. completely flushed orange head to toe. i looked like i bathed in carrot juice. and i fucking REEKED of vanilla, my bed still smells like it today..i can still smell it faintly on my skin..and its only noticeable to me..the smell haunts me haha..

on top of all this i found out i was 15 pounds skinnier than i should have been, i looked gaunt, weak, orange. my heart was about to give out. i'm afraid i suffered lasting cardiotoxicity from this..and i think it was the butylone that was to blame for this, i think butylone has cardiotoxic properties..just a hunch..(anyone confirm this for me please)? anyways i play it off to my parents that i have a cold, i lay in bed for 3 days just browsing my laptop clutching my heart, taking deep breaths to combat the heart flutters and shortbreathedness...

i started to smoke weed in bed to combat the shitty strungout, jet lagged, feeling like a giant feeling. thats when the audio hallucinations began. i would hear my mom having conversations on the phone when there was nobody in the house, i would hear cars pulling up to my house that didnt exist, etc etc. it was not scary, it was annoying as fuck. i would answer the doorbell for people that didn't exist..i rode the audio hallucinations out...the weed really helped, was a real life saver. besiddes the audio hallucinations, it was what my body needed most. it stimulated my appetite and just. thank god for teh marijuanas. probably didn't help that it was a sativa from the clinic, those usually cause minute audio hallucinations even when i'm completely normal.

anyways 26 blue ghost pokeballs, 2:1 ratio at 244 mg a pill give or take. i'm thinking i did about 24-2600 mg methylone, and not sure about the butylone.

i honestly don't know how i'm alive. but here i am. the reason why i did so much is personal, and i was in a very bad place and i'm never going to do that again. i'm scared for the future of my heart because of this day. any commentary on this would be appreciated, and here's my advice. with methylone, know your limits, and ignore the impulse to redose. this shits like cocaine with how strong the urge can become. and don't exceed 500 mg.

yeah, all your symptoms were near death symptoms, not side effects of drugs.

I know this from experience, and it was completely non-drug related verge of death (toxic shock syndrome day 3 before i went to ER, you should only live 24-48 hours with TSS, which is when a staph or strep infection enters your blood [blood infection])

also, in the future if your heart behaves this way and you feel weak, you're risking organ failure and (obviously) heart attack. If your left arm goes numb please visit the ER immediately, an ecg/ekg will be the only device to rely on that will confirm or deny your likeliness for heart-attack.

Also, id recommend for the next few days taking a baby aspirin daily, they are small, orange, usually chewable 81 mg doses of aspirin that will help reduce your risk for heart attack and assist the blood in your system to flow throughout your body.

it seems as if you were restricting blood flow to your brain, you could've had a stroke as well. When you start to halucinate like that (visual/audio) its because your body is shutting down, ive had those same types of hallucinations, my body felt disproportionate, i lost equilibrium (i couldn't find my balance no matter how hard i tried), and when people were talking to me it sounded like my head was in a large wood barrel and they were talking into it, or a cave (echo-y, distant, weird). You could also have an infection, your skin doesn't normally change color unless you have a pretty big issue (or just ate way too many of a certain vegetable). YOUR SKIN IS AN ORGAN!

you might find this interesting

this, besides eating too many carrots, was one of the only conditions i could find associated with orange skin

symptomchecker

this is also a great tool, and considering that more than half of your symptoms urged you to visit an ER (which usually doesn't happen when i use this tool) you probably should consider it if they continue.

the good news? usually a heart attack happens (if its going to) due to drug use during or immediately following the consumption of the drug.

Shouldn't just have a heart attack days after, trust me when i had chest pains and rapid heart beat from a cocaine binge two seperate times, i thought (days later) i was going to have a heart attack if i got out of bed. this wasn't the case.

It sounds like you are actually having a hardcore anxiety attack, or suffering from a serious medical condition. Lets hope that its the panic attack, those are terrible too (i know from experience) but way more survivable.
 
thank you thank you thank you for the insight! i think iknow that methylone itself will actually turn your skin orange, i read about that on bluelight itself, but i'm not all too sure on it..yeah i was really depressed and wasn't expecting to live through that ordeal, but here I am. still depressed too, but i digress. my anxiety has gotten bad and i do know it's playing a big role in my life right now. i start freaking out, i shake around other people, my voice gets shaky talking in front of peope, i think my anxiety will pass with abstaining from drugs for a bit though..i thought i should have died when i blew 4 grams of coke in a couple of hours, but long beach cocaine is pretty shit, so i'm lucky it was cut haha.. my heart has only ever really been stressed with 2-3 high mdma instances, this, and a couple of cocaine instances. no long term abuse of anything really. but i mean it only takes one extreme instance to weaken the heart i assume..hm. thank you for reassuring me, although my heart started pounding when i read the "near death symptoms" although that is what i wanted for me that night...blah. the equilibrium and the wood barrel thing is spot on ! thanks a lot brother!
 
also the getting out of bed thing is spot on. i couldnt get up from my bed to get the smallest things. i got out of bed to get my weed and i came back to my bed. and i realized i had forgotten my lighter, and i started freaking out. i REALLY did not want to get out of bed because the second i stood up everything started going black, lost balance, but i mainly did not want to get out of bed because of my heart, so i got out of bed basically squatted and moved slowly so as to disturb my heart as little as possible. i think i survived because i stayed bed ridden, if i was forced to do stuff or go outside im sure i would have been done for.
 
I know what Im never trying...

26 pills (of any drug) in the course of 3 hours is extreme- I am glad you are alive.

@fcukdubstep: i'm happy you decided to not do these! that's what i was hoping my report would do, sure i mean used with moderation blah blah but i think methylone and butylone even used correctly, are extremely dangerous..

@Bsiren: it is, and i am too..i think? i'm not pulling that specific stunt again though
 
Well written feel like shit diary. As far as hospitals go, they can be complete angels and life savers. On the other hand they can blow things way the fuck out of porportion and end up doing way more harm than good. But because they are trained, its usually for your best interest. I can see how living at home would make you not want to go to the hospital because that could ruin your drug happy days, I've been there and your shoes I would've just waited it out in bed even if it suddenly killed me than to ask 911 or parents for help but in reality hospitals can really be life savers.
After events like these I would reccomend taking a break or being super cautious with your dosing. And I read you were feeling suicidal when you took the 26 pills, Only thing I can say is lucky it failed cuz as you know life is too awesome to cut short. Think about the hundreds of times you could've rolled had you been alive and all the great sex you'd miss out on! Among other things like family, friends etc.
I know this happened a year ago but I hope you'ved wisened up!
I do believe if you take methylone + butylone responsibly, it can be a good, semi-safe experience!
 
Are you having any negative effects heart wise at the moment? The suggestion about taking aspirin is very sound, I would listen. If I were in your shoes, I would talk to your doctor, explain to him what happened and asked if he could send you for some basic tests (EKG/ECG). He probably won't judge you, but I'm sure he will tell you how dangerous what you did is. I'm pretty sure you already know this. You are still here, cherish that fact. Once you are fully recovered, do your heart a favor and go out and get some exercise, eat right and stop doing excessive things to your body. We only have 1 life, let's enjoy it, but not abuse it.

I love MDMA, but I will never abuse her.

Stay safe.
 
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