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Cigs war won: Now cancer campaigners set their sights on beer

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HEALTH activists who believe even one alcoholic drink can cause cancer are lobbying MPs in Canberra today for limits on how much we consume and how much we pay for it.

If they're successful in branding alcohol a carcinogen it could lead to tough restrictions similar to those applied to tobacco, including warnings on labels and laws requiring plain packaging.

12.50pm It’s bad news for wine lovers - a leading health researcher has dismissed one of the cherished hopes of drinkers everywhere - that a couple of glasses a night is good for the heart.

Professor Tanya Chikritzhs, of the National Drug and Research Institute, says the health claims are based on flawed and biased research.

Dr Chikritzhs is among a group of health experts from the National Alliance for Action on Alcohol briefing MPs on the possibility of using higher taxes as a way of cutting dangerous alcohol consumption.


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She says research showing a few sips of a decent red can warm the heart and keep it healthy is flawed, but acknowledges the science isn't settled on the issue.

My view...is that the so-called protective effect of alcohol on cardio-vascular disease, heart disease, has been over-stated. And the reason for that is because the underlying studies themselves, the epidemiology, is flawed, has been biased.

She says that some people who claimed to be worse off because they didn't drink were already suffering diseases - possibly because of past drinking.

What a lot of these studies do is when they define somebody who doesn't drink, an abstainer, who seems to be worse off for not drinking, in terms of heart disease, they include in those groups a whole bunch of people who were drinkers but stop drinking because they became unwell. Laughable, but it's extremely common for researchers to do that, not only for heart disease but for a whole range of other conditions that have recently have been reported to be protected by alcohol.

12.13am The cost of a standard drink will rise by $1 and the price of cask wine will more than double to $20 if the Government accepts tax hikes on alcohol recommended by health groups.

The proposed tax increases based on the alcohol content of drinks will be considered at the October tax summit.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon is backing a review of alcohol taxes, so long as it didn't result in such drinks, such as alcopops, becoming cheaper.

The National Alliance for Action on Alcohol, a group of health and community organisations, today in Canberra briefed MPs on moves in the tax system.

The plan was for a tiered system which could be adjusted to prevent prices going down.

It would target the cheapest drinks and the experts warned that “wine is dirt cheap''.

One industry spokesman warned:

Not the sort of stuff you drink in restaurants but the sort of stuff that's an invitation for kids and people with alcohol problems. That is so cheap now . That's got to be a priority.

The NAAA warned that every week an average of 60 Australians die and 1500 are hospitalised as a result of alcohol harm.

Not only are we drinking more, but the alcohol content of what we drink is increasing, from 11.2 per cent pure alcohol to 12.7 per cent in wine over the past two decades.


11.45am News.com.au has been inundated with reader comments, overwhelmingly against the idea of changes to alcohol labelling. Read more comments or add your own.

Whilst there could be many reasons to try to reduce consumption of alcohol, by irresponsible drinkers, it would seem that claiming that it is a cause of cancer is really clutching at straws. Overcooking (burning) of food can supposedly cause cancer too but will we stop people cooking food or eating because of that.

- Graeme of Mordialloc

Seriously, did anyone not see this coming. I always said that after cigarettes, the moral crusaders would be going after alcohol next. Oh, and for all you coffee drinkers....start getting nervous...

- Jason of Brisbane

I agree with the cigs but not with the alcohol! It should be up to the person drinking! Don't harm the Aussie way of life of a couple of beers with a friend without the bar tender saying you have had you one beer so you are not allowed any more!

- Sophie of Shire

I don't see why intelligent adults have to be punished because of the knuckleheads in society who can't hold their drink.


- Sick of Wowsers of Perth

10.20am Over at The Punch, guest writer Charleen Sheshozzled has posted an angry response to the suggestion booze could be subject to similar packaging regulations as tobacco.

Booze is like it meakes you REALLY confident. It makes you better at talking to people in bars and stuff. Like, confident. So in bars and stuff I’m HEAPS more … you know. In bars.


9.19am Today's offensive on drinking problems, including limits on how much we consume and how much we pay for it, is being launched by the National Alliance for Action on Alcohol (NAAA), a group of health and community organisations formed in March last year.

The group has made clear its major objectives include limits on “all forms of alcohol marketing and promotions, including point-of-sale promotions, print and media advertising, packaging, labelling, sponsorship, viral and internet campaigns''.

On June 15, NAAA invited MPs to take part in a briefing to be held today in Parliament House on “the importance of pricing policies in reducing alcohol-related harms''.

“There is now a large body of evidence suggesting that price is an effective way to manage consumption and consequent harm,'' the invitation reads.

There are activists from among the NAAA groups who believe alcohol consumption causes more than just social disruption and the obvious health problems.

The Cancer Council of Australia argues even one drink is dangerous, a view similar to its position that even one cigarette can injure health.

“There is no evidence that there is a safe threshold of alcohol consumption for avoiding cancer, or that cancer risk varies between the type of alcohol beverage consumed,'' according to the Cancer Council position paper.

It estimates that 5 per cent of all cancer cases are caused by “long-term, chronic use of alcohol''.

That warning is shared by Michael Thorn, chief executive of the Alcohol Education and Rehabilitation Foundation.

“There's a growing body of evidence that there is harm attached to using alcohol. I think we've in denial if we don't think there are harms from even low level alcohol use,'' Mr Thorn said recently.

There is a continued medical debate over whether light alcohol use can cause cancer, with some authorities insisting the risk comes from high alcohol intake.

However, there is no serious conflict over the dangers of cigarette smoking.

The Government already has its health agenda dominated by legislation today aimed at forcing plain packaging of cigarettes, which are proven carcinogen.

Tobacco companies have said they’re ready to take court action should the legislation pass Parliament.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cig...r-sights-on-beer/story-e6frfkw9-1226088686962

For shame... I LOVE ALCOMOHOL!

I dunno if this is QUITE the right spot for this to be posted, but I think people on this site would still be interested. And I do consider alcohol a drug.

I don't think attacking alcohol will have the same affect as what attacking ciggs will. The act of Drinking is much more natural then that of smoking.

I don't disagree that alcohol causes damage, but the good well and truly out weighs the bads. It's already proven from the past that prohabition on alcohol would never work. As far as trying to attack it the same way they did with ciggs, I think it will be much harder in that front aswell.

Raising the prices would seriously piss me off though. It's already taxed. And already overtaxed for that matter. We have some of the most expensive drinks when going out in the world. And it's a massive part of the Australian culture and I think it's shameful for them to go after it.

Funny how we see threads on the end of the drug war getting closer, and then you see this BS. Feels like 1 step fwd and 2 steps back to me.
 
I don't see people smoking 20 cigs then getting behind the wheel of a car and killing peole, nor do I see smokers overindulging then bashing their wives/glassing people.

I say good, if one is going to be targeted then the one that causes REAL social problems should be next in line too.

And the bad far outweighs the good in my opinion.... it's even been shown that using alcohol based mouth washes increases the risk of oral cancer (google it, I'm too lazy)
 
Fuck off, I'm not going to put a label on my home brewed ginger beer...

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The question in my mind is when will people snap out of the nation-state mentality, and realise it is not governments role to regulate and control self-harm.

Government has a role in building and maintaining transport, protecting borders, providing essential services and preventing breaches of civil and personal liberties.

If the cost of cancer resulting from alcohol outweighed its current taxation levels, then by all means increase taxation to maintain society. That is good government. But to stop people drinking?

An individuals consumption of any substance does not breach any other individuals liberties. The use of taxation to control personal behaviour explicitly shows the god-complex harboured by our government.

I for one, do not like, trust or care for what the people in power think of my personal behaviour. In the words of Propagandhi, "First they taught us to depend on their nation states to mend, our tired minds, our broken bones. Now they've sawn off all the splints, and retracted all the tourniquets and if we jump through hoops then we might just survive."

I don't even drink.

Fuck moral government.
 
Such fucking bullshit, the moral crusaders will never be happy I tell you...

If people are concerned about drinkign in this country how about taking some real initiative in education and promoting sensible drinking instead of just claiming a tax hike is the answer. I seriously wonder if the Government is secretly fuelling this bullshit as an excuse to tax the fuck out of us.
 
If people are concerned about drinkign in this country how about taking some real initiative in education and promoting sensible drinking instead of just claiming a tax hike is the answer.

Are you implying one shouldn't be able to buy liberty? 8o

Tax as a deterrent just screams "money = freedom"... and to have that freedom without money one must suffer :\
 
I don't see people smoking 20 cigs then getting behind the wheel of a car and killing peole, nor do I see smokers overindulging then bashing their wives/glassing people.

I say good, if one is going to be targeted then the one that causes REAL social problems should be next in line too.

And the bad far outweighs the good in my opinion.... it's even been shown that using alcohol based mouth washes increases the risk of oral cancer (google it, I'm too lazy)

What do you mean? Nothing like smoking a 25 pack going home and belting the Mrs. :p

In all seriousness, wtf is next? What are we a Nazi state?
 
Fuck off, I'm not going to put a label on my home brewed ginger beer...

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My mouth is watering. My favourite.



How far backwards can Australia go? Soon we'll be campaigning to get the internet removed and no electricity.
I swear Aus is gonna be Jurassic park one day
 
i could just imagine a picture of some alcoholics liver stuck to the side of a pint glass in a pub lol

they should calm the fuck down.
the results of alcohol on a persons mentality (read effect on actions such is DUI and violence/being a cockhead) is much worse than trying to blame it for cancer...

better not have that tiramisu cake after dinner i guess, might get ass and ball cancer with a large penis like growth on my forehead.
 
How far backwards can Australia go? Soon we'll be campaigning to get the internet removed and no electricity.
I swear Aus is gonna be Jurassic park one day

pretty sure this is already covered with the Australian blacklist/firewall and cunts like the greens lol.

using too much electricity will make your wang fall off and you will be blind because its the work of the devil!
 
Fuck piss is already soo expensive its got to be the most expensive of any where in the free world.
The poor doomed next generation wont be able to do shit. Every year more and more laws get made someone has to stop it but aussys are too fucking lazy.
What are they going to do have labels on beer with car crashes and dead livers?
 
Its amazing how easy it is to propose to the government that a legal substance is cancer/disease causing if it means that can add extra tax quick the instant coffee is doing damage to these peoples hearts and stomachs, Quick lets tax it yeah lets tax it psssh just my 2 cents
 
Fuck off, I'm not going to put a label on my home brewed ginger beer...

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haha that 'GB's gold... do you just brew ginger beer or do you brew regular beer aswell? Ive been thinkin of gettin a micro brew kit for a while but dont trust myself...
Such fucking bullshit, the moral crusaders will never be happy I tell you...

If people are concerned about drinkign in this country how about taking some real initiative in education and promoting sensible drinking instead of just claiming a tax hike is the answer. I seriously wonder if the Government is secretly fuelling this bullshit as an excuse to tax the fuck out of us.

+1...

i could just imagine a picture of some alcoholics liver stuck to the side of a pint glass in a pub lol

they should calm the fuck down.
the results of alcohol on a persons mentality (read effect on actions such is DUI and violence/being a cockhead) is much worse than trying to blame it for cancer...

better not have that tiramisu cake after dinner i guess, might get ass and ball cancer with a large penis like growth on my forehead.

hahahahaha

laughin aside, the fucked up part is that might very well happen soon... :\:p
 
i don't mind if the government raises taxes on wine and beer. I like the taste by slowly but surely I am drinking less. Recently I got massively drunk for the first time in two years. Apart from that my drinking is just a few standard drinks whilst i'm tripping.

Now if they raised the price of LSD, the government can go fuck themselves and the horse they rode in on.
 
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