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Apart from a few salvia trips, I don't have any experience with psychedelics. I want to expand my mind, but I'm a little apprehensive. DMT interests me the most, but seems pretty complicated to produce. Shrooms or LSA seem like the next best options. Any advice? I'm also a little young. Would it be better to hold off for a few years?
 
The brain does not ever 'stop' growing; neurons are always being formed and others are always dying. Many, many things appear to affect the performance of the brain, not least among them diet, sleep, exercise, stress, and intellectual stimulation, an issue with any of these potentially having lasting consequences. There is little evidence to suggest that usage of the ordinary serotonergic psychedelics has more lasting effect than any other everyday neural stress. Even extreme serotonergic challenge with increasing chronic doses of MDMA does not seem to cause too many problems beyond tolerance. You'll note that 20 mg/kg intramuscular MDMA twice daily as used in the final stages of the study corresponds to taking something like thirty pills in a day...

With that said... start with a low dose. The precise chemical is not terribly important; the environment of your initial experience is what is most critical. Do it with experienced people whom you can trust.
 
You are old enough. I suggest you start with shrooms. Start light so that you can figure out what the right dosage is for the batch and your body chemistry. I suggest buying about 5g and starting with 1-1.5, then scaling up from there on the same batch.

Lucy tends to be an easier trip, but the length (10-12 hours) can be difficult for a first timer.. Its best to start with shrooms because they only last about 4-6 hours.
 
In the likelihood that shrooms will be difficult to obtain, do any of you have a foolproof(and hopefully simple) method for extracting LSA? I have read a multitude of instructions, many of which note that cramping/nausea/etc may occur(which I'd like to avoid). I would use Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds over morning glory, ideally.
 
I think the best method is to grind and eat the seeds. There will be nausea and bodyload simply as a side effect of LSA and the other ergoloids that are present. Most extractions seem to be highly variable.

I agree with atara, the actual chemical itself is not important. A safe dose, set and setting are more essential.
 
IME most communities that have any drug activity at all have some psychedelics in the right circles. I can almost guarantee that if you look you will find shrooms or acid. If you can't find either one, I would suggest looking for san pedro (mescaline cactus). It should be almost as easy to get through conventional means as morning glories, and probably easier than HBWR. There's lots of info floating around the internets (Erowid in particular) on how to procure and process san pedro. Mescaline's a bitch'n psychedelic.
 
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IME most communities that have any drug activity at all have some psychedelics in the right circles. I can almost guarantee that if you look you will find shrooms or acid. If you can't find either one, I would suggest looking for san pedro (mescaline cactus). It should be almost as easy to get through conventional means as morning glories, and probably easier than HBWR. There's lots of info floating around the internets (Erowid in particular) on how to procure and process san pedro. Mescaline's a bitch'n psychedelic.
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The price on shrooms around here is a deterrent as well... -EDIT-
I will look into mescaline though, thanks.
 
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I suggest LSD or Mescaline because they are more visual and easy going, yet no less powerful. I have seen too many people swear off psychedelics after their first mushroom trip. Shrooms are very psychologically challenging and have a tendency to evoke a strong fear reaction in people who are not experienced.
 
jaketheslacker said:
Apart from a few salvia trips, I don't have any experience with psychedelics. I want to expand my mind, but I'm a little apprehensive. DMT interests me the most, but seems pretty complicated to produce. Shrooms or LSA seem like the next best options. Any advice? I'm also a little young. Would it be better to hold off for a few years?
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seriously, if you have to ask the opinion of unknowns over the internet wether or not to start using substances because of your age, then in my humble opinion, you are not ready.
there is nothing wrong with holding off for a few months/ years, however much you feel like, until you feel comfortable yourself with what you are about to do and you get to choose the substance yourself.
again, if you believe that the brain continues to develop until you are 25 and taking psychs might harm this growth, then by all means hold off until you think you are ready.

there are many places and ways to start, but this is just like teenagers asking about sex, when and how should they start... look at what you have, if you think it is worth it go for it, but it should be your decision.
 
i'd think that you'd be willing to wait a few years is a good indicator of maturity. And like stated above, set & setting are both very important. Having someone experienced with psychedelics present would be ideal. Also, make sure you feel ready to do this, if you decide to. And definitely wait for an opportune moment, don't go dosing with parents or disapproving roommates around the house.

While the specific substance isn't the most important thing, it is somewhat important. Make sure to do plenty of research on a wide variety of chemicals, then go about obtaining the one or ones you feel most comfortable taking.
 
Try and find some LSD. It might be weak as is the trend these days (profiteering asshole dealers!) but start with one and wait a week to try again with more till you have satisfactory results.

Shrooms might be too anxiety provoking for a first timer.

I know it has its defenders here, but the seeds for LSA are crap that will just give you nausea and piss-poor barely hallucinogenic experience, more akin to a nasty fever delirium than an actual psychedelic. Some people like them, and I admit they were my first "trip", but once I was able to get real drugs I never ever was tempted to do those foul things again. But if its all you can get ahold of sure give it a try.

Then find some good LSD.
 
I would recommend mescaline.
It is far gentler, when used at moderate doses, than LSD or shrooms, but it is not less eye-opening.
It is harder to have a bad trip on mescaline.
You can order San Pedro cactus off the internet.

In addition to the environment, I would suggest making sure that your emotional situation is stable and happy when you choose to experiment.

Have fun!
 
We don't really allow 'what should I take' threads either, why should we now?

What we can talk about is the age to start experimenting with these things though there is an entire thread devoted to that. :) It's in the index, I'm sure.
 
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We don't really allow 'what should I take' threads either, why should we now?

What we can talk about is the age to start experimenting with these things though there is an entire thread devoted to that. :) It's in the index, I'm sure.
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That's incredibly helpful. Close the thread if you like, I hate being that guy.
 
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I know it has its defenders here, but the seeds for LSA are crap that will just give you nausea and piss-poor barely hallucinogenic experience, more akin to a nasty fever delirium than an actual psychedelic. Some people like them, and I admit they were my first "trip", but once I was able to get real drugs I never ever was tempted to do those foul things again. But if its all you can get ahold of sure give it a try.

Then find some good LSD.
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Wow man, you defend aminata mushrooms to death in a thread which are equally if not more obscure and less popular, and yet you're really this closeminded? It doesn't just have "defenders," it has defenders that are experienced and established members here, ie SurvivedAbortion. Just because you didn't dose them right or your body doesn't have the capacity to process them correctly doesn't mean they are "crap." I'm almost offended by your narrow-minded, judgmental bilge coming from someone who usually identifies as "open-minded."

BTW I've had visuals on MG seeds stronger than high dose LSD so I don't think your "piss-poor barely hallucinogenic experience" is necessarily indicative of what MG seeds have to offer. I figured being a poster on bluelight you would be aware of YMMV but apparently that only applies when your own experiences differ from others, and not vice versa. Real mature.

Edit: By the way, all drugs are real drugs. You sound sophomoric.
 
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