Ecstasy impurity leads to designer drug rise

[footscrazy]

I'm unbelievably grateful I'm at least old enough to have experienced 2 years or so of good MDMA times before everything went to shit. The new generation getting into the party scene have no idea what they're missing out on.

Definitely! They would be blown away to try real mdma.

I can't help wondering how different my drug career would have been if I'd started using now. I just can't imagine it has the same appeal when every pill these days is dodgy as fuck! It seems almost unbelievable now to think back on the days I took pills, and just knowing that any one I bought would be mdma. Even dud pills would just be inactive or speed, not filled with one of the plethora of strange RC's...

 

[drug_FUCKED]

so true mate. There seems more and more australians do feel the government is out of touch with society and we need change. I think our polictal system needs to be totally changed before we can buy some mdma at the pharmacy. We dont have people in power who always make descisions on what is best for auralia, but ratherwhat is better for the budget or polictal party, but they will always say decsisions made with autralia and australias in best intentions in mind...well thats probably the case in australia for next decade or so. I really feel the aussies born 50 years from now...

Yeah things keep getting worse in regard to drug laws. Its really fucked the people that make the drug laws know nothing about the drugs they are banning. What good has cracking down on mdma done? None! now mdma has been replaced with a revolving door or more harmful shitty drugs.

Why dont we have mdma trials like they do in the US? Australia govn sucks i know chemists and scientist that have had to leave this country and go to the US to do research not allowed here. I wish the aus BL community could influence drugs laws like people can do in the US. Is it our laws or are aussys drug users just lazy.

How about before the government panics and bans are drug it actually does a heap of research first.

Fuck i miss mdma ecstasy pills when getting a bad pill meant too much ketamine or speed. What happened to all that love we got from mdma?
I feel really sorry for the kids these days they are really missing out on what the rave/md scene was.

 

[hazed420]

I have had some of these legal "designer drugs".

I don't care for them over the naturals, poppies, tobacco, cannabis, coffee, shrooms.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

So glad i experienced good pills back from 1999-2004.
I forgot about pma pills that was always a risk back then when SA was the PMA capital.
I recon people that start using pills and alike now days will have a lot more long term health issues, because unlike mdma which had a lot of research, study's and science behind it unlike these new RCs.

 

[dupl3x]

nz pills are a joke, full of RC's.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Definitely! They would be blown away to try real mdma.

I can't help wondering how different my drug career would have been if I'd started using now. I just can't imagine it has the same appeal when every pill these days is dodgy as fuck! It seems almost unbelievable now to think back on the days I took pills, and just knowing that any one I bought would be mdma. Even dud pills would just be inactive or speed, not filled with one of the plethora of strange RC's...

That's some food for thought... I used MDMA early on, and it was the first substance I used that I really, really enjoyed. If, like you said, I was starting out today and getting hit with pill after pill of who knows what, things may have turned out very differently.

 

[pinkanga]

Its who you know of course... but yeah I miss being able to get quality pills like we could in the early 2000's.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Those pink qantus pills were good.
I am guessing thats what u named ya self after?

 

[grugz]

Its who you know of course... but yeah I miss being able to get quality pills like we could in the early 2000's.

i think miss not really needing a test kit, any bix bought was either mdma, speed or really piss weak, and this is bought in a club too

 

[Divine Moments]

I still remember the first time I bought a bag and a few were pipes

Rest were the goods though

 

[pinkanga]

Those pink qantus pills were good.
I am guessing thats what u named ya self after?

We called them pink kangaroos. Possibly the same as you mentioned... you meant pink Qantas right? Circa 01/02?

Admittedly it was one of my first ever pills, but christ they were good. Even as tolerance became an issue it was still apparent to me that the pink kangas were qualitatively different to a lot of the pills we used to get.

Damn. Not hard to get nostalgic for those times.... *tear rolls down cheek*

 

[thestudent14]

^ Many people don't get into drugs until after their teens, which, from a harm minimisation POV, most would agree is a good thing

Do you think the age that people start using drugs would lower or be higher if they were legal from the age of 18?

I didn't start using drugs (Apart from our favourite herb) until I was 19. I had been drinking since I was 14 though. And heavily drinking from the age of 15. I worry for the damaging affects of drugs on devolping minds far more then I do for Adults.

I think if people were educated well on the affects of drugs through highschool you would have a positive outcome. We had sex-ed through highschool, why not alcohol and drug-ed. If people were told out right the very real side affects from early drug use I believe most people would still steer right clear of them until there adult life.

Even weed I knew very little about it when I first tried it at the age of 15 going on 16, knowing that for some people it can be very damaging I think most teens would still steer clear or at least have it in mediocrity. Rather then having nearly no clue about it, trying it and loving it and deciding that scare campaigns are a joke.

Scare campaigns should be a thing of the past, the key is to be informed and honest, once you realise you can't trust a thing you here from the government funded scares it gets hard to distinguish between the less and more harmful. I was 20 when I found out that speed and Ice were one in the same just of much higher purity.


I agree that most people if ecstasy was decriminlised they would try to stay away from RC's that are shittier replica's. But on the flipside the MD drought would have still had the same impact because there is little MDMA to be found. RC's concern me, but their name RESEARCH Chemical should give them more trialling then we currently have. England had legal 4-MMC for quite a long time whilst it was already Illegal in Aus due to our over the top analogue laws. The attitude "It might be dangerous, it should be illegal" isn't the correct way to handle it. It should get more trials in controlled environments over an extended period. An expensive but potentially brilliant way to change the drug war without stopping it.

If ecstasy was legal when I started using it, I easily could've E-tarded myself good and proper for... I dunno how long. But if the education was in place I would've understood then need for moderation towards it much more. It's not like alcohol where you can binge on it one night and then re-binge the next night and get just as drunk the next time. No one wants to "lose the magic" when it comes to ecstasy.

Having said all this, it was trying ecstasy that made me wish to pursue much more drug use and experiment with all sorts. I don't wanna use the "gateway" drug term, but to some level it's true. If they legalied ecstasy alot of people would very much intend to try there Illegal counterparts. Anything from MDEA/MDA/4-MMC to the 2C-x's. It's human nature to explore the things we enjoy. I discovered my love for ecstasy and it's gatewayed me to explore other drugs.

End Rant haha.
Party Safe =)

 

[Divine Moments]

Do you think the age that people start using drugs would lower or be higher if they were legal from the age of 18?

It's kind of hard to say really. I'd like to think that the average age of starting would increase, but we're talking about teenagers. We all know how irrational and reckless many teenagers can be, so whilst education would help some make the decision to defer or abstain, there would doubtless be others who would still be just as eager. Then again, maybe they would just be the same people who start using early regardless of legality... Either way I definitely think it should be done, for many reasons (liberty, harm minimisation, etc.) :D

I agree that RC use would be lower with drug education and legally available MDMA/etc..

 

[pinkanga]

No one wants to lose the magic, but the magic is just so magical that people will do anything to prolong it and experience it again.

My point being that I dont think education would be enough of a deterrent in a decriminalised context. Not to say I think it would be pointless. Education is essential.

But humans will be humans.

 

[footscrazy]

I think if people were educated well on the affects of drugs through highschool you would have a positive outcome. We had sex-ed through highschool, why not alcohol and drug-ed. If people were told out right the very real side affects from early drug use I believe most people would still steer right clear of them until there adult life.

I started using drugs at 16 and I discovered Bluelight (just lurked for years) only weeks after. Despite having probably the best information resource available to me I used mdma once or twice a week for years. Maybe I'm just a dumbfuck but what Divine Moments says rings true, I was just reckless and unable to properly see the consequences my actions could have. It was just so ridiculously exciting to get involved in this whole new world. I look back now and wonder wtf was wrong with me.

 

[Sameria]

I started using drugs at 16 and I discovered Bluelight (just lurked for years) only weeks after. Despite having probably the best information resource available to me I used mdma once or twice a week for years. Maybe I'm just a dumbfuck but what Divine Moments says rings true, I was just reckless and unable to properly see the consequences my actions could have. It was just so ridiculously exciting to get involved in this whole new world. I look back now and wonder wtf was wrong with me.

Story of my life...

Illegal drugs were just so easily accessible when I was young(er). I started smoking cannabis at the ripe age of 10 because i knew someone who was flogging it from their parents (while their alcohol was locked away). It wasn't until the age of 17/18 that I was able to procure alcohol whenever I wanted.

Grrr screw you drug war and drug-tzars for destroying my brain from such a young age

 

[drug_mentor]

^ I started on drugs the exact same way only a couple years older than you. It is interesting to consider how drug careers would of been affected by a lack of MDMA back in the day, for me personally, I can't say it would of been a great deal different as I used inhalants, cannabis, alcohol, benzo's, and various stimulants particularly ritalin and 'speed'/cut to shit meth regularly at some stage or another before using MDMA more than a few times.

Honestly I think that while theres a few people who wouldn't of gone on most would of got into psychedelics and/or meth quicker depending on their tastes. Use of LSD and methamphetamine as well as RC's seems to have sky rocketed in the last few years, sure a lot of these drugs aren't quite as appealing to a lot of people as ecstasy is initially but I think most people to try ecstasy are curious about drugs and open to experiencing them.

Luckily MDMA seems to be making a bit of a comeback which hopefully ends up happening in a big way, I was never the biggest MDMA fan out there but at this point I am just so damn sick of meth it would be nice to have another viable option on the weekends. It really is sad how many of my friends have become pipe fiends in the last 12-18 months...

 

[grugz]

I started using drugs at 16 and I discovered Bluelight (just lurked for years) only weeks after. Despite having probably the best information resource available to me I used mdma once or twice a week for years. Maybe I'm just a dumbfuck but what Divine Moments says rings true, I was just reckless and unable to properly see the consequences my actions could have. It was just so ridiculously exciting to get involved in this whole new world. I look back now and wonder wtf was wrong with me.

i think alot of people started at that age, either weed or pills and dont forget alcohol too. i would say i wonder how i would be now if i didnt have taken those back then... but im also glad that i have at least known what mdma is unlike current teenagers who have no effing idea, apart from the lucky ones who get the few around, i guess nsw noobs are luckier with seeming alot of md around...melb also just behind with green/white hearts

I guess if they also exp bk-mdma its also good. but it seems well i remember i avoided md caps, powders and anything not in a pill like the plague aside from weed

 

[pisspotnrock]

^ I started on drugs the exact same way only a couple years older than you. It is interesting to consider how drug careers would of been affected by a lack of MDMA back in the day, for me personally, I can't say it would of been a great deal different as I used inhalants, cannabis, alcohol, benzo's, and various stimulants particularly ritalin and 'speed'/cut to shit meth regularly at some stage or another before using MDMA more than a few times.

Honestly I think that while theres a few people who wouldn't of gone on most would of got into psychedelics and/or meth quicker depending on their tastes. Use of LSD and methamphetamine as well as RC's seems to have sky rocketed in the last few years, sure a lot of these drugs aren't quite as appealing to a lot of people as ecstasy is initially but I think most people to try ecstasy are curious about drugs and open to experiencing them.

Luckily MDMA seems to be making a bit of a comeback which hopefully ends up happening in a big way, I was never the biggest MDMA fan out there but at this point I am just so damn sick of meth it would be nice to have another viable option on the weekends. It really is sad how many of my friends have become pipe fiends in the last 12-18 months...

plus 1... then the MDMA drought happened and meth amp. or LSD were the only drugs openly available worth takin

 

[mystery mister E]

I see RC's as the Frankenstein cousins of "real" drugs

Haha love that. Couldn't agree more with the sentiment. I'd only use pure MDMA if I could get my hands on it legally.