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ADD/ADHD: Are drugs the only answer?

In today's public school system, even a child with ADD/ADHD can pass through with a good enough GPA to get into a good college.

Don't feed your child speed. I'm a firm believer that at a young age, things like adderall fuck with a child's psychological reward system by acting as a dopamine releasing agent.

Rather, put them on a diet concentrated of complex carbs.
 
So you really think that giving millions of children around the world drugs like speed, everyday is OK? Ritalin, Aderall and Dexedrine are essentially pharmaceutical speed or methamphetamine, what you wish to call it.

Yes, I do think that our society, especially the Americans, are way OVER medicated, which is really sad. From psychoactive drugs, to GERD reflux drugs, to speed based drugs, to statin drugs... heck whatever happened to living a healthy and active lifestyle? Drugs are NOT the answer, never have been, never will be. They do make great money though for pharmaceutical companies and the governments. Please remember that the number one rule for corporations to is make as much profits as possible. The pharmaceuticals companie's ultimate goal is not to make drugs, it's to bring in as much funds for their share holders as possible, they just happen to use drugs as a venture for it.

Regarding autism, it has been proven over and over again that vaccinations are the main cause behind autism. Yet the mainstream medicine refuses to accept this. Vaccinating is also a massive cash cow for the pharmaceuticals.
Once again, 70-80 years ago, autistic children were unseen and unheard of, back then vaccinating kids was also very rare.
Suddenly, there is a massive explosion of autistic children, what's changed? I let you figure it out.

Yes, there are way too many sick and mentally challenged people in the world.
Why is this happening when according to our medicine we are:
healthier than ever, living longer and have the best nutrition ever (I'm not going to even bother detailing what atrocious conditions the people in Africa, South America, South East Asia and the Middle East are living thanks to the West).

It's also interesting to note that at the same time heart attacks, strokes, cholesterol related deaths up are up.
Cancer rates are steadily climbing, and Nixon's "The war on Cancer" seems to have produced more workers for the cancer industry than there are people sick with cancer.
Obesity is out of proportions, it's now considered normal to be overweight and being obese is OK too.
Alzheimer's and other brain disorders are on the rise, yet we continue to be exposed to high levels of mercury and aluminum.

I don't care if you believe me or not, look around and see how healthy people are, mentally, physically and emotionally, then make up your mind.

Cheers,
Alex


You've got to be trolling. Yes ADHD may be overdiagnosed (at least in children, adult ADHD is painfully underdiagnosed though), but denying that it exists is stupid. Then again, considering that you use phrases like "big pharma" (somebody has a phobia of corporations, huh?), maybe you're not trolling but rather the second option.

ADHD has always existed, just as depression, schizophrenia and anxiety have, it's just that they weren't recognised. Hell, even autism wasn't recognised until recently (relatively speaking), and nobody can deny that that's a real disorder, even the anti-"big pharma" alternative health freaks agree with that given that they have thousands of crazy theories on the pathology behind it.

Before all of these disorders and mental states were recognised, sufferers would either be locked up in asylums and treated like animals, would lead miserable, unsuccessful lives, or in some cases (particularly with schizophrenics and impulsive ADHDers) would go on to live fast, dangerous lives.
 

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Yes, I do think that our society, especially the Americans, are way OVER medicated,

I laughed at your picture, definitely funny and ironic :P

I don't fully agree with this statement, however. I find that there are many people who are in fact, under medicated, or being treated with improper prescriptions for their problems.

Obviously society has evolved faster than the human mind can fully adapt to. Which causes depression, anxiety and general negative unnatural emotions. Releasing agent drugs should be more openly available to the adult public who need them to support and live their lives running the world.

Alcohol is the most popular anti-depressant in the world. Let's change that.
 
I laughed at your picture, definitely funny and ironic :P

I don't fully agree with this statement, however. I find that there are many people who are in fact, under medicated, or being treated with improper prescriptions for their problems.

Obviously society has evolved faster than the human mind can fully adapt to. Which causes depression, anxiety and general negative unnatural emotions. Releasing agent drugs should be more openly available to the adult public who need them to support and live their lives running the world.

Alcohol is the most popular anti-depressant in the world. Let's change that.
IMO drugs have their time and place in our society and some are very needed, but most of them should be only used in emergencies, not on a daily basis.

Pain killing drugs like morphine and fentanyl are excellent as relieving the pain during emergencies. However, they can become terrible with prolonged use, especially when abused by drug addicts.

"Let thy food be your medicine and let thy medicine be your food", as said by Hyprocrates, the father of medicine.

Off course, it's nearly impossible to get any nutritional value out of the genetically modified foods, fast foods and foods high in refined sugar, white flour and starch.
Off course, the doctors and the modern medicine don't want to hear about it, because an organic cabbage will never bring in as much money as a new "breakthrough drug" for breast cancer... follow the money trail.
 
^ Don't be so quick to judge--What about the people who have had brain scans done that show legitimate deformities in their brain that causes ADD/ADHD?

I have a friend who eats relatively healthy diet (no McDonalds, soda, highly processed foods, so on and so forth) and still suffers from debilitating ADHD when she doesn't take medication.

Very true.
Also something a lot of people forget when they say things such as it did not exist years ago, actually it did, they would drug people up and leave them in mental institutions.

Another thing, is the availability of foods now. We can buy all these high fat, highly processed, sugary things at just about every shop we pass. It has become more common over the last 30 years, as has diagnosis with add and similar. Could it be not just diets affecting people, also an allergic reaction that has not been noticed yet and only showing in the brain and not on skin like hives for example.

There is so much more to these conditions and afflictions.
I personally think a lot of this is a mixture of factors, including hereditory, food, taught behaviours, allergies and what a lot of people do not consider is the possibility of genetic long term factors going from one person to another. Maybe sounds a bit far fetched but there seems a lot more to me than jsut what I read going on here.:\
 
but jenny mccarthy said so :|

kane2theleft- how long are those personality-type tests supposed to be? i looked into kiersey a bit, can't say i agreed with everything but was worthwhile ;P
 
^ they vary a lot and many out there are less than great. The official Keirsey one is no longer free and the MBTI ones out there aren't always the best - I usually see tests online around 60-70 questions.

I don't fully agree with Keirsey's stance on ADD but I found it interesting. Overall, I do think there is a lot of value in his temperament theory though when it comes to interpersonal, social, professional, educational issues and so forth.
 
I personally like the MBTI one more than the Keirsey one, but I am quite a Carl Jung fan so I guess that makes sense.
 
Autism is caused by vaccines? Really? That's funny because there's never been any credible evidence to support that theory, just a bunch of chemophobic twats making up conspiracies.

Do your own research about vaccines and see what you come up with. Don't just let the media and the medical establishment tell you what is right and what is wrong.

Vaccines contain thimerosal -- a preservative made with methyl mercury, they also contain chemical adjuvants like squalene, which directly cause inflammation of the nervous system.

When children are malnutritioned (millions of people in US, UK and Europe are malnutritioned thanks to the "modern diet") the effects of these vaccines are highly toxic on a young child's brain and nervous system.

You will never hear about it in the mainstream medicine, but then again chemotherapy, radiation and surgery is the only choice of treatment for cancer by these establishments, when we all know that nature has a way of controlling and reversing cancer through organic and nutrient rich foods. There are even doctors coming up with new non toxic ways of curing cancer, yet they are thrown in jail and stripped of license by the medical establishment.

I dont know about you, but our governments feed us lies daily, I happen to reject it.
 
Vaccines contain thimerosal -- a preservative made with methyl mercury, they also contain chemical adjuvants like squalene, which directly cause inflammation of the nervous system.

Source?

when we all know that nature has a way of controlling and reversing cancer through organic and nutrient rich foods.

So there's an established cure for cancer is there?

There are even doctors coming up with new non toxic ways of curing cancer, yet they are thrown in jail and stripped of license by the medical establishment.

Really?

I am very open to new ideas my good man, but I need more evidence than just conspiracy websites and paranoid nutjobs harping on about this and that.
There is a fine line between reality and foundless paranoia.
I would love some credible sources though, as I find this kind of thing fascinating.
 
Source?



So there's an established cure for cancer is there?



Really?

I am very open to new ideas my good man, but I need more evidence than just conspiracy websites and paranoid nutjobs harping on about this and that.
There is a fine line between reality and foundless paranoia.
I would love some credible sources though, as I find this kind of thing fascinating.

I can post some links to interesting documentaries, it's up to you to believe what you like though, because you are solely responsible for your health.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWt0BdMsu0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH4OwBYDQe8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqLR9U5u6LY

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7957358347594988246

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJYQ5E5T7Y&playnext=1&list=PL96D04FA0B8CDA421


Like I said before, you may choose to ignore it or research more into this.
I have made up my mind and simply pass on this to people around me, it's up to them to ignore or accept it.

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Another great movie is "Food Matters".

Checkout mate and it may just give you some new insight into our health.

It's funny, everyday we read how certain fruit and vegetables help to protect and prevent cancers, yet most people never fully embrace this concept.

Have fun watching, I know there are lots there mate :)
 
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can you source any of your claims w/ actual sources?
/you're new, so i'll just mention now that youtube links /= sources to most ppl (nm that it's kinda rude to ask someone to watch a video so you don't need to google for the sentences that back you up)
 
Do your own research about vaccines and see what you come up with. Don't just let the media and the medical establishment tell you what is right and what is wrong.

Vaccines contain thimerosal -- a preservative made with methyl mercury, they also contain chemical adjuvants like squalene, which directly cause inflammation of the nervous system.

When children are malnutritioned (millions of people in US, UK and Europe are malnutritioned thanks to the "modern diet") the effects of these vaccines are highly toxic on a young child's brain and nervous system.

response.

Vaccines USED to contain thiomersal but there has been no scientific link between its use and autism whatsoever... but you're right, I'm sure the government controls absolutely every scientist, every physician, every study that comes out, etc. and is trying to cover up a diabolical plan to turn our children autistic.

Also, I wanted to point out that thiomersal does not contain methylmercury, it metabolizes into ethylmercury which does not bioaccumulate and the potential toxicity has not been studied extensively so your claims are wholly without basis.

Lastly, squalene (a naturally occurring substance we all produce in our liver) isn't even used in any MMR vaccines given to infants so to mention it when people ask for evidence of a link between vaccines and autism is either showing that you lack understanding/knowledge on the subject or are intentionally trying to mislead people.

If you are going to try to convince people to outright disregard everything "mainstream medicine" says, you're going to need to provide a reason to do so. There are certainly examples of pharmaceutical companies acting unethically and suppressing research and so forth however this does not invalidate every study and every scientific finding.

P.s.
My apologies for pedantry - but its malnourished, not malnutritioned.
 
Well, might as well throw my 2 cents in....I'm not a hypochondriac i swear lol, just had interesting dealings with meds.
I have type 2 (inattentive) ADHD/ADD, however you want to put it, every specialist has their own opinion on whether to include the h in the title or not, whether it's 2 different disorders, or 6 different types under one name. You get the general idea...whatever you may call it 8)

I was raised vegetarian. My tree-hugging, new age type parents were so obsessed with 'health foods' that I distinctly remember eating cashew nut butter (instead of peanut) as a child because it was seen as more natural in their eyes lol. So i literally grew up on beans, pulses, tofu, soy milk, fruit, vegetables, dairy, wholegrain (and sometimes potato) organic bread from a local bakers etc etc and natural RAIN water (can't blame fluoride etc). Was NEVER allowed soft drinks, sugary cereals, chips, lollies etc with the exception of a few easter eggs at easter.
TV was only for the news and sesame street =D No cartoons, no computer, no video games, hell...no playing indoors unless i was playing musical instruments. Rest of the time was playing outside on our massive rural properties.

I used to be terrified of needles and avoided vaccinations like the plague, cant blame any of that.
If i messed up, i copped a slap. I was well behaved. My parents were pretty strict. So discipline isnt the issue here.

Now im pretty sure my mother didn't drink or smoke when she was pregnant or anything. So where does my ADD come from? Lack of oxygen at birth? LOL
It's genetic. I have an uncle with Aspergers, apparently this is expressed on the same gene. Well, some believe it's evolution (the eddison gene bla bla bla). Others believe we are special reincarnated alien or earth creator type creatures who have come back to teach the world. There are some really amusing theories out there.

I agree that many people are misdiagnosed, seems like parents are more willing to claim 'environmental toxins' or some kind of behavioural disorder are the reason their kid is the poster child for contraception - a total brat.
But for those of us who legitimately suffer from this condition, we are often dismissed, laughed at, or just told to do some yoga 8)
I never believed in ADD either, until I got diagnosed. Hospital staff never believe me, until im given any kind of opiate painkiller via IV and they're freaking out as my heart rate is nearing 200 bpm, blood pressure is up, any incision they have made is now bleeding out and im unable to sleep no matter how much they try to dope me up.

It took me years of being a total mess to get diagnosed (finally, at the age of 20). By then i'd been trialed on just about every antidepressant known to man, which either did nothing or made me violent, agressive yet numb, suicidal and self harming (so embarrasing). Also been trialed on temazepam, thioridazine (which i swear has made me lethargic permanantly), zyprexa, xanax and probably a bunch of other crap i cant remember. ALL of this apart from the zyprexa was trialed on me between the ages of 12 and 14. Tried again with antidepressants and zyprexa (the z is for zombie =D) from age 16-19.

Discovered amphetamines at university. Rather embarrassing when they make you go and sit down at a rave when all your friends are bouncing off the walls. Didnt recognise this as a sign until later. Cocaine has zero effect on me other than numbing my throat.

Since being prescribed 45 mg dexamphetamine daily my heart palpitations have stopped, blood pressure LOWERED, insomnia dramatically lessened, general crazyness gone. No side effects, just pissed off that I have to avoid citric acid, fruit juice etc.
Ritalin however, im a little suss on. Have heard its a bit hit and miss, tried it myself and it made me feel numb and disconnected yet edgy. If I had young children of my own who were suffering, I would be ok with them taking Dexamphetamine if they had hit rock bottom and really really needed it. I Would be pretty uncomfortable with Ritalin though. Unfortunately it's standardly prescribed to ADD kids in AUS as it doesn't have the word 'amphetamine' in the name and the 'druggie' assosciation. Therefore more acceptable. Stupid.

The other mood stabilising drugs commonly prescribed as an alternative to amphetamines have a lot to answer for. I think I posted somewhere else in this forum about Epilim (sodium valproate) which is prescribed in combination with amphetamines as a 'protective' measure (pfffft). Was told as well as stabilising mood, it would prevent mania and brain damage etc etc. Ended up with valproate induced hyperammonemia and brain swelling. Really close call. Still recovering, fingers crossed there's no lasting damage. Sticking to amphetamines only nowdays. Never want to see a psychiatrist ever again. Will investigate neuropsychiatrists and neurologists instead if i must. Gotta see the funny side lol, i ended up with mania followed by a depressive irrational state which developed into a catanonic state then a biiiiig nap that lasted 3 days before I realised 'shit, this isnt good'. Thank you emergency meth stash! Considering the next 2 stages were coma and death, i think i owe mr meth one! Brought my abnormally low blood pressure back up. So the possible things this drug were prescribed to prevent happened as a result of that same drug. Riiiiiiight.

So yes, psychiatric medications are really dangerous. So is denial of treatment. People are so quick to get into a hysterical state over the use of stimulants though. Even some doctors. I dont understand why they freely hand out antidepressants, especially when they know you are lacking dopamine. Why fuck with serotonin when dopamine is the issue? When is that ever going to end well? I have seen stimulants really help people. Look at their listed side effects when compared to most SSRI's :) Why give kids Clonidine etc to treat ADD? I've heard so many horror stories.

Check out the Amen clinic brain scans before (at rest and concentrating) and after stimulant treatment. Interesting viewing. Maybe scans should be used more often so we can see the areas of the brain that are lacking. Makes more sense than going into these things blindly and experimenting with drugs until we find the right combination. ADHD symptoms are similar to a variety of other things. Starting off with an accurate diagnosis in the first place would be a good idea wouldn't it?
 
Drugs aren't necessarily the answer. I was 9 when I was diagnosed, and completely rejected the idea. I thought it was total bullshit and refused to be diagnosed with any kind of condition. So instead of putting me on pharms, my parents decided to use natural supplements and whatever. I think I was taking Vitamin E and Omega 3-6-9 fatty acids. My mom got really into the whole 'natural cure' thing - maybe a little too far, when she heard about magnet therapy and had me sleep on a mattress with magnets inside it, a comforter that also contained magnets, magnet pillow, magnet jewelery.. all kinds of shit. Eventually I decided that I didn't want natural therapy either, and quit the whole regime. I think I was around 13 by that time.

Anyway, once I got into high school, my grades started slipping, and by Grade 10 I'd gone from a high B average student to an absolute failure. I would sit in class and try and listen to the lectures, but would keep 'zoning out' or wouldn't retain what had just been taught. I doodled, distracted other students, and fooled around. I struggled a lot at that time, particularly with math class. My grades got so low, and I felt so bad about them and eventually just gave up and started cutting class a lot. I just didn't care at that point.

They got me to go see my doctor again, and she raised the option of trying medication. I hesitantly accepted, and they had me on Concerta. Damn, did it ever help. Everything became so much clearer, and it was so easy to focus on the tasks at hand as well as memorize each word I read instantly. I managed to make a bit of a turn around and only failed 2 courses instead of 4. By the end of grade 11, I was completely caught up and ready to graduate on time.

I'm not going to glorify the shit, though. It made me feel like a zombie, and once I came down I usually felt pretty crappy. I became antisocial, had sleeping and eating issues (lost 15 pounds over 6 months), and felt very blank a lot of the time. Eventually I just stopped taking the meds. I still struggled without them, but I created some techniques to help me focus and also got help from my teachers. I'm taking Adderall now, and it's alright, but I don't think it's very healthy to be taking pharmaceutical speed. I only take them when I need to (during school days) and try to take the lowest dosage that I can.

I think that if people study and create techniques to help them focus, and receive help and reminders from their peers, they can overcome it. It takes a LOT of work and discipline, but if you truly just have ADD and are not some unmotivated, lazy fuck, then you CAN do it. And natural supplements don't hurt, either. Taking medication is your choice. I know that for me, it certainly helps. But the side effects aren't the most pleasant, and who knows what kind of long term effects may occur? Medications are only going to help when you take them, not all the time. So learning some new techniques is perfect, because it will help you most in the long run.

Drugs aren't the only answer. They are an option.
 
I coped well without ADHD meds for all my school years. Of course using them helps a lot, but there are a variety of coping mechanisms people can use. Not sure if I represent the best example of the majority of people with ADHD/ADD though.
 
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