Maintaining low core volume during cycle?

[Renz Envy]

After summer I plan to first cycle

250mg test-e
50-75mg tren-a

And I have yet to fully gather what pct materials I have available.

ANYWAY

Many of the people I know who are on their cycle gain tremendous amounts of core mass. While I love squats and deadlifts as a natty-lifter, it seems that these types of routines build more of a "strongman" figure than that of a golden-age body builder.

I could be wrong, it could be sub-abdominal glycogen and water retention that gives them this core mass. But it seems that they maintain this bloated appearance even post-cycle.

Would using clenbuterol as part of my Post-cycle be a good choice?

Would switching from deadlifts/squats to other less-core intensive routines be a good idea?

 

[Yellowcabs]

I'm not very experienced with steroids, but during my cycles I did notice my stomach bloated, I leaned back out again while off cycle. FYI I love squats, but I don't do deadlifts much.


EDIT: Also I'll mention that while I leaned back out off cycle I maintained the muscle I gained in my abs and just lost the thicker/water look.

 

[DirtyMexican]

And A.I. or a S.E.R.M. to stay on top of estrogen.
Increase in food intake will of course effect the way the core looks.

Clen during post cycle might help but it should not be the only pct measure.

Core training will not alone make you look ¨blocky¨ there was a guy in a gym I used to lift at years back that never did abs because he said, ¨make have the gh gut look¨ I still laugh about that to this day.

Look at the actual muscles, can your abdominals actually grown sideways 10 inches? I dont see how...

 

[NeighborMike]

Im actually a big fan of pro-longed smaller cycles

The gains for sure are a lot more keep able. Im not sure what your goal is but mine is to be lean, and running low dose extended cycles has been a winner for me

 

[Voxide]

Many of the people I know who are on their cycle gain tremendous amounts of core mass. While I love squats and deadlifts as a natty-lifter, it seems that these types of routines build more of a "strongman" figure than that of a golden-age body builder.

You have it all wrong. First of all, do not run tren if this is your first cycle. At all.


Now that we have that established, what impacts your figure is your diet, first and foremost. Golden-age bodybuilders did more squatting and deadlifting than you could possibly imagine, so don't assume that these are PL'ing moves only. Not to mention, golden age BB'ers were mostly natty, only using low doses of Dbol and primo for that small edge before a comp. It's nothing like it is today, where you have another competition going on of who is the best chemist. Don't worry about the bloated core. It's all water retention and can be controlled unless you have the IQ of an ape.

You are wasting that cycle if you hold off on squatting and deads, believe me. As far as using clen with PCT, no, it's not a good idea. It's pretty terrible idea, in fact.

 

[Space invader]

Yeah pretty much agreeing with voxide here. How long are you gonna run the cycle? Waist size is mostly genetic, I deadlift and squat reguarly and I have quite thick waist even though my abs are clearly visible but im only 5'6". For a taller guy the v taper should be easier achieved.

 

[Renz Envy]

You have it all wrong. First of all, do not run tren if this is your first cycle. At all.


Now that we have that established, what impacts your figure is your diet, first and foremost. Golden-age bodybuilders did more squatting and deadlifting than you could possibly imagine, so don't assume that these are PL'ing moves only. Not to mention, golden age BB'ers were mostly natty, only using low doses of Dbol and primo for that small edge before a comp. It's nothing like it is today, where you have another competition going on of who is the best chemist. Don't worry about the bloated core. It's all water retention and can be controlled unless you have the IQ of an ape.

You are wasting that cycle if you hold off on squatting and deads, believe me. As far as using clen with PCT, no, it's not a good idea. It's pretty terrible idea, in fact.

Thanks for the advice. I'll hold off using tren until I need it.

I'm mainly concerned with the fact every guy I hang around who is cycling is bloated like crazy! And It is simply not the look Im going for. I figured cycling tren would help reduce the amount of water and glycogen in my muscles and give me an overall hard, statuesque look.

I currently have a V-shaped body at 5'11, 160 with a 30-32 inch waist. Currently at around 8% bodyfat. I figured a cycle like that would exaggerate what I have currently.


So when would you normally run Clenbuterol? I could see that the catabolic effects of clen might increase post-cycle muscle loss. I've read a lot of conflicting things about clen in that it has both anabolic and catabolic effects.

And A.I. or a S.E.R.M. to stay on top of estrogen...

Look at the actual muscles, can your abdominals actually grown sideways 10 inches? I dont see how...

I'm pretty confident with the combination of pct I have. I'm mostly worried about the terrible gyno!

And yeah, I see your reasoning. But your abdominals grow front-ways and your obliques grow out the side. Sqauts/deads heavily target both, especially as you begin to move up in plates!

 

[Voxide]

Thanks for the advice. I'll hold off using tren until I need it.

I'm mainly concerned with the fact every guy I hang around who is cycling is bloated like crazy! And It is simply not the look Im going for. I figured cycling tren would help reduce the amount of water and glycogen in my muscles and give me an overall hard, statuesque look.

I currently have a V-shaped body at 5'11, 160 with a 30-32 inch waist. Currently at around 8% bodyfat. I figured a cycle like that would exaggerate what I have currently.


So when would you normally run Clenbuterol? I could see that the catabolic effects of clen might increase post-cycle muscle loss. I've read a lot of conflicting things about clen in that it has both anabolic and catabolic effects.

It's bound to happen unless you're running a good cutting cycle, which you don't need. Tren is much too side effect heavy and powerful to consider using until your 4th cycle at the least. If you want dry gains without bloat, consider doing Test C along with either winny/var. Personally I would go for the winny. Your core muscles are not going to explode. The people you see are simply on bulking cycles and they probably haven't added in their AI's yet. I can assure you that if it happens, you won't stay that way forever. I'm unsure if you're just worried about the bloat or if you're worried that you'll get too muscular. I'm really hoping it's not the latter of the two...

With BP concerns and all that, clen shouldn't be run too close to a cycle. It's definitely not anabolic, but it does good to conserve muscle mass during a cut. I think you should run E/C instead of Clen. Less dangerous and nearly equal fat burning effects. If your diet is spot on, you don't need either. Don't worry about cutting until you're at a solid 200-220. With your numbers right now, you're borderline skinny, so you need to start packing the calories on. Oh, and avoid all recreational drugs if you end up doing this cycle.

 

[Renz Envy]

With fall approaching, It's getting closer and closer to my first jab.

I decided that Test-e and dbol would be a good combo. I'm not too appearance-concerned at this point; I'm just sick of being stuck dancing around 160. I want to pack on serious mass and keep it.

I developed gyno (Actual hard-lump) during puberty and it disappeared when I turned 18. I'm afraid that doing a cycle will make it re-develop. My friend tells me that the only pct material I need is nolva or letro, but I feel like I can't take his advice too seriously without multiple opinions.

Edit: As for running clen, I believe it would be dangerous considering I do use recreational drugs on occasion.