Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

[scrooloose]

What kinda things do I need to say to my doctor to get prescribed benzos? I tried a few years back for stress during exams and the doctor refused.

I could only manage to get a weeks supply of diazepam 2mgs at a time every 3 to 4 weeks on repeat prescription,now that's stopped and their final solution is to get me on a long term course of pro-depressants,sorry i mean 'anti'.

 

[oSpherical]

Big thumbs up for Phenazepam. I ended up doing 5ml/mg throughout the day/night and had an amazing time. I didn't mean to keep taking it, but it succumbed me in the same way speed/mdpv does. It's very moreish, in my opinion, and definitely has stimulating properties on me. I'm not joking when I say that it kept me up all night, having tons of fun from things I'd usually find exceedingly dull.

My closest comparison would MPA/MDPV doses, minus the anxiety and muscle issues they sometimes gave me. It made me too excited to sleep, gave me a lot of motivation to get things done, made me more outgoing than I've been in a long time.
Right now I feel like I've just finished an MDPV binge, with no worry of after effects since when I'm not focusing on something my body just feels relaxed, but dehydrated.

I think I've finally come to understand why people like Benzos so much. I used to think they'd just make you a bit sleepy and calm you down (as etizolam does to me).
But Phenazepam has shown me that some benzos have the ability to be extremely euphoric and the buzz lasts until you stop dosing.
The afterglow reminds me of MXE's afterglow to an extent - everything just feels right.

That's a long list of positives, but I've got to bring up the bad stuff now, just to be fair!
For one, trying to communicate to people efficiently takes a lot of effort. Typing isn't easy at all either, not just from the dulled motor skills. More to do with how much my mind struggles to make coherent sounds sentences. My spelling is atrocious too! (Thank Google for spellcheck)
My memory seems fine, but I guess the memory loss would only happen after sleeping... 5mg without a blackout. There's a chance that I might be lucky.

All in all, I had a great time on roughly 5mg taken over a 24 hour period. I tested it with 200mg moldalert, and didn't notice much difference, but it may have been a factor in my increased concentration.

Will Phenazepam be safe to mix with 6-apb or suitable to manage the comedown?
(I'm interested in the mixture of the 2 due to the pleasant calm euphoria Phenaz gave me, which I'd imagine, counteract some of the negative stimulant parts of 6-apb.

 

[brimz]

so what is your advice to those of us who don't have doctors throwing this shit at us then/enough spanish and understanding of their health system to rinse their pharmacies?

i think we all know by now that you get scripted ridiculous amounts of every benzo but it gives you no right to look down on the rest of us whose sources are currently somewhat dodgy. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DO THE SAME WITH SMACK- i.e. your post a few weeks back about knowingly shooting shite? did anyone tell you 'all the cool kids are shooting decent smack'? no and had they done, they'd no doubt have had a severe bollocking for being so insensitive. either be consistent, always take the top quality shit of every drug,or don't look down on the rest of us for using the sources we have.

ok rant over i came on here to have a question.

what are the best benzos for slow tolerance buildup? i should be getting some bromaz soon, which i took at the stated dose for ages with no problems. have been having a fair amount of etiz and temaz recently, noticed tolerance appearing so massively reduced my consumption, none in the week only using fri/sat/sun, its made no difference. tolerance is still creeping up. are any worse/better for building tolerance or do i just have to bite the bullet and reduce consumption further?

YYou don't understand me at all ask sam he does n ican't be bothered

n none of those benzos came from my doc ; i got em cos i got up off my arse used my Brain you could do the same but i doubt u have the same sense of adventure and spirit as i do , i suffer from serious mental health issues n haven't worked since 1998.
This has f all 2 do wit me having sources n connects but alot 2 do with me being extremely resourcefull .

Don't talk 2 me condescending about my habit either thats fukin nasty of u , i try n post with asense of self depreciating humour that is beyond you.

I thought u being intelligent would see this but u just take everyuthing literally n keep on doing that n won't learn shit.

I think i educate alot of folk on this site through my experiences, but if u want me to post boring crap i won't bother , thats some really bad moderating.

I will say this $ you I am Mentally ill i'm onj High Rate DLA ok n they dont give that out if everything is cosy.

ASk SAm he understands where i'm co0me from.

A;lso when did u last start a challenging thread inEADD?
I did last week RE. Tough Love.
Take this as u will but dont ever think i am boasting , the cool kids ref was directed at sam its ajoke we have since when he was tripping OK

Right so now thats sorted u can get on with whatever it is you do me i just struggle in a life of addiction n tell the truth .
I also travel ALOT maybe u should go o holiday might be good 4 ya mine was absolutley lovely

or don't look down on the rest of us for using the sources we have.

I'm not looking down on ya just fukin warnin ya Harm Reduction na ll
I posted all the details for Treatment in my city in TDSlast week so don't think i don't give back , alot of folk value my experience and advice

In answer to your ? look at the half life tables n work it out ffs its not hard your ment to be a mod on Drug site but you don't no much about drugs imo.

Rant over,
\Please speak 2 Sam about me i'm sure your freind will explain 2 you how i work , last week he said i was one of the most valuable posters in EADD cos of my expeerience of Drug use FFS.

 

[Jabberwocky]

YYou don't understand me at all ask sam he does n ican't be bothered

n none of those benzos came from my doc ; i got em cos i got up off my arse used my Brain you could do the same but i doubt u have the same sense of adventure and spirit as i do , i suffer from serious mental health issues n haven't worked since 1998.
This has f all 2 do wit me having sources n connects but alot 2 do with me being extremely resourcefull .

Don't talk 2 me condescending about my habit either thats fukin nasty of u , i try n post with asense of self depreciating humour that is beyond you.

I thought u being intelligent would see this but u just take everyuthing literally n keep on doing that n won't learn shit.

I think i educate alot of folk on this site through my experiences, but if u want me to post boring crap i won't bother , thats some really bad moderating.

I will say this $ you I am Mentally ill i'm onj High Rate DLA ok n they dont give that out if everything is cosy.

ASk SAm he understands where i'm co0me from.

A;lso when did u last start a challenging thread inEADD?
I did last week RE. Tough Love.
Take this as u will but dont ever think i am boasting , the cool kids ref was directed at sam its ajoke we have since when he was tripping OK

Right so now thats sorted u can get on with whatever it is you do me i just struggle in a life of addiction n tell the truth .
I also travel ALOT maybe u should go o holiday might be good 4 ya mine was absolutley lovely


I'm not looking down on ya just fukin warnin ya Harm Reduction na ll
I posted all the details for Treatment in my city in TDSlast week so don't think i don't give back , alot of folk value my experience and advice

In answer to your ? look at the half life tables n work it out ffs its not hard your ment to be a mod on Drug site but you don't no much about drugs imo.

Rant over,
\Please speak 2 Sam about me i'm sure your freind will explain 2 you how i work , last week he said i was one of the most valuable posters in EADD cos of my expeerience of Drug use FFS.

yes you do educate and i appreciate that. its more the 'all the cool kids' bit i took offense to.

and yes i made it clear to the mods when applying that i don't know much about drugs. i actually think that having one more casual drug user as a mod is a good thing as it brings a more balanced outllook.

the point is your post to me made you look like you were dicksizing. a bit like the whose had the biggest script post (fyi 3 bottles 2.5mg/1ml clonzepam, 3 tubes 30*6mg bromazepam and 3*38*7.5mg zopiclone). this doesn't serve to educate anyone. i have been irritated by your apparent (sorry if i just dont get you) dicksizing posts for a while and this time it appeared insulting to other posters on this board so i felt justified. atm echoed it

I don't see the point in constantly making the point that we should all be getting our drugs from the pharmacy because we simply can't....or we would.

i did not condescend you i merely pointed out that you expect sympathy when you've had shite, and had you not made it clear you only wanted it from fellow addicts i would have reached out. so don't be nasty to other people in similar situations (not me but other frequent posters here) on different drugs who don't have the resources/the cash to waste getting ripped off whilst finding a decent source.

as for getting off your arse and using your brain. the guy i buy benzos from will be in hospital if his product turns out shit because he has a bad addiction, him not being in hospital is sufficient proof to me of their quality.

you don't know me at all. i have a letter from the DWP from 2007 stating that i was eligible for incapacity benefit for 3 years/how to sign on etc. did i take it? no i fucking did not i finished a solid degree and then did a masters in another solid subject unrelated to my degree. alongside that i held constant voluntray posts. yeah, i'm not at all resourceful. sorry if i use my resources to further my career and interests rather than score the best drugs.

 

[brimz]

yes you do educate and i appreciate that. its more the 'all the cool kids' bit i took offense to.

and yes i made it clear to the mods when applying that i don't know much about drugs. i actually think that having one more casual drug user as a mod is a good thing as it brings a more balanced outllook.

the point is your post to me made you look like you were dicksizing. a bit like the whose had the biggest script post (fyi 3 bottles 2.5mg/1ml clonzepam, 3 tubes 30*6mg bromazepam and 3*38*7.5mg zopiclone). this doesn't serve to educate anyone. i have been irritated by your apparent (sorry if i just dont get you) dicksizing posts for a while and this time it appeared insulting to other posters on this board so i felt justified. atm echoed it



i did not condescend you i merely pointed out that you expect sympathy when you've had shite, and had you not made it clear you only wanted it from fellow addicts i would have reached out. so don't be nasty to other people in similar situations (not me but other frequent posters here) on different drugs who don't have the resources/the cash to waste getting ripped off whilst finding a decent source.

as for getting off your arse and using your brain. the guy i buy benzos from will be in hospital if his product turns out shit because he has a bad addiction, him not being in hospital is sufficient proof to me of their quality.

you don't know me at all. i have a letter from the DWP from 2007 stating that i was eligible for incapacity benefit for 3 years/how to sign on etc. did i take it? no i fucking did not i finished a solid degree and then did a masters in another solid subject subject unrelated to my degree. alongside that i held constant voluntray posts. yeah, i'm not at all resourceful.

Good 4 you i a m UNABLE 2 work ok n i think maybe we come from different back grounds .

(fyi 3 bottles 2.5mg/1ml clonzepam, 3 tubes 30*6mg bromazepam and 3*38*7.5mg zopiclone). this doesn't serve to educate anyone. i have been irritated by your apparent (sorry if i just dont get you) dicksizing posts for a while and this time it appeared insulting to other posters on this board so i felt justified. atm echoed it

Whats wrong wih a bit of dicksizing as i said it s all self depreciating
BTW i waut on diaz at about19 i'm 35 now i didnt even no wht they were at the time i'm stil addictted and have had some mssve scripts but this hasn't been fun at alll if u are irritated by my posts justtake em with apinch of salt, like i said i have sever mental health issues so bare that i mind to

I getnvious 2 a small etent of folk posting all their temaz , oxys , fent of corsuse i do.

I had poor education n was expelled from 2 schools but stil got # A grade GCSE only took 3
I've also managed to get a A level In Sociology and Pysch a n moden history one
at grades A, B n C
I was wshooting fukin 300 a day on snowballs att the timen
I'm alsi a really nice person if u ever meet me not my words , but other folks

Look we come from tottaly dif places but 've never dissed u ,
in fact i belive i've stuck up 4 ya ,
just think brimz sometimeswritesstufff thats a bit daft as does all of us but my Experiences n Daftness is overweighed by good characteristiccs
\Peace Brimz

 

[Jabberwocky]

Good 4 you i a m UNABLE 2 work ok n i think maybe we come from different back grounds .



Whats wrong wih a bit of dicksizing as i said it s all self depreciating
BTW i waut on diaz at about19 i'm 35 now i didnt even no wht they were at the time i'm stil addictted and have had some mssve scripts but this hasn't been fun at alll if u are irritated by my posts justtake em with apinch of salt, like i said i have sever mental health issues so bare that i mind to

I getnvious 2 a small etent of folk posting all their temaz , oxys , fent of corsuse i do.

I had poor education n was expelled from 2 schools but stil got # A grade GCSE only took 3
I've also managed to get a A level In Sociology and Pysch a n moden history one
at grades A, B n C
I was wshooting fukin 300 a day on snowballs att the timen
I'm alsi a really nice person if u ever meet me not my words , but other folks

Look we come from tottaly dif places but 've never dissed u ,
in fact i belive i've stuck up 4 ya ,
just think brimz sometimeswritesstufff thats a bit daft as does all of us but my Experiences n Daftness is overweighed by good characteristiccs
\Peace Brimz

i believe you probably are unable to work. my gp thinks the same of me right now and i am continuing my course against his wished but i know from experience the second i have fuckall to do i devote myself to being thoroughly ill. look we should have each others backs, we have both experienced debilitating mental illnesses, so we should be able to understand each other. and i know from my own experience (the script mentioned above was discharge from a psych ward that only accepts people from psychiatric crisis wards), and because you have said so yourself, that being in a position to get those scripts is fucking horrible. no one would want to go through what you have to to get meds like that. thats part of what gets to me about the posts where it looks like you're showing off about your scripts though, but i can also see maybe thats your way of putting on a brave face in a horrible situation.

we probably do have very different back grounds. but i don't think the DWP takes that into account when doling out benefits so don't see how its relevant. i probably only passed my courses as i had the highest class of mitigating circumstances.

look, i don't want to argue with you man and yeah you probably have stuck up for me and if the situation ever arose i would stick up for you.

so lets just leave it. plur n all.

back to benzos.....

 

[Allein]

^^^^

And there was me worrying I was going to get into another spat on BL, I read and re read on what I posted to try and make sure it wasn't too agresssive.... but chinup stepped in and took it all on anyway ...many thanks

no offense Brimz but all the constant I can get great stuff direct from the pharmacy etc and all the rest of you are just knecking shite was getting a bit tired

 

[brimz]

MY point is
Any Benzodiazipine drugs bought from the Internet ,do not comew with any garuntees
Therefore you could end up with anythig , THIS IS DANGEROUS
2
Benzos are POM medicine cos THey are very addictive and dangerous , especisly when mixed with other substances, if you r buying from a INternet vendor no script is needed and no guidlines as to how the STrong drugs should be used (if at aLL)
A GP has to tell you this b4 dispencing simple.
E>G
WE have 17 year olds on BL getting copious amounts of benzos with no supervision at all and tottaly misusing them , it could end in tradegy very easy .

THis is Harm REduction coming from someone with years of xperience of taking the Benzo drugs n i hve seen many lifes ended and ruined due to pure naivety.


Becarefull GUys n Gals

 

[brimz]

If u all tired of me go risk your life with unlicenced Phenazepam i was only trying 2 sy that itas very dangerous.
I'm not proud of my Script but i'm happy i have it ok.

If anyone else wants to tell me they are pissed with me bring it on plese i'd rater it 2 my face than behind my back please tell me

 

[monstanoodle]

Nah I'm just tired or arguments
You're right - Getting Benzos, or any other prescription medication, or any RC for that matter, is pretty much gambling. You never know what you'll get / how much you'll get etc.

This has been pointed out so yusss....
Back on topic please!
Arigatou gozaimasu

Chinup - As stated, most Benzos rise tolerance at the same rate, there are a few that are a bit fast (I think Nitraz is one of them) but the best thing to do would be to use a long acting one so you don't need to use it as often The longer it acts, the less you'll need to use it, the slower your tolerance would rise

 

[Allein]

I cant see the differnece here

Yes we accept that either on the street or via the net we can get Benzos and they may not be what the dealer caliams they are. They can also be addictive, you dont need to tell me.

We also know we can buy coke, herion, speed and crack and all of the above about the dealer and the addiction is just the same.

I'm missing what real point is being made.

 

[Allein]

Chinup - As stated, most Benzos rise tolerance at the same rate, there are a few that are a bit fast (I think Nitraz is one of them) but the best thing to do would be to use a long acting one so you don't need to use it as often The longer it acts, the less you'll need to use it, the slower your tolerance would rise

Tolernace is one thing but in recreational use that may make no differnace, I very recently got to 100mgs + of Diaz use inside 4 weeks, I know I'm a twat for it and the taper started yesterday.

 

[brimz]

so what is your advice to those of us who don't have doctors throwing this shit at us then/enough spanish and understanding of their health system to rinse their pharmacies?

Don't take Benzo's
and if u must be fully aware of the exra danger you are putting yourself in.

 

[Allein]

Don't take Benzo's
and if u must be fully aware of the exra danger you are putting yourself in.

The extra danger being what, that isnt there for coke, speed, herion .....

 

[Evad]

fatal withdrawal? not many other drugs can cause that

 

[Allein]

fatal withdrawal? not many other drugs can cause that

apart from alcohol ??????? which you can but legally in the supermarket, on mosy local shops

Which, bizarrely they use benzos to withdraw you from??

 

[th3 s1aught3r]

Gonna have a benzo night tonight after a 7 day break from them. I am basically using them sporadically enough anyway and when I take breaks I find that really helps with the tolerance issues. I never want to get hooked on these things thats for sure

 

[bignbrown]

apart from alcohol ???????

Which, bizarrely they use benzos to withdraw you from??

alcohol, benzos, gbl and barbs all can be fatal, but the treatment for all of them is generally diazepam because its so long acting and is easy to taper with.

 

[Allein]

alcohol, benzos, gbl and barbs all can be fatal, but the treatment for all of them is generally diazepam because its so long acting and is easy to taper with.

I note no response from Evad on this point, I'm sure he's just too busy with mod thnigs

 

[monstanoodle]

Tolernace is one thing but in recreational use that may make no differnace, I very recently got to 100mgs + of Diaz use inside 4 weeks, I know I'm a twat for it and the taper started yesterday.

Chinup's talking about theraputic use though

Good luck on yer taper man!