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thizzin' since 98

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So as a lot of you may know, a bad pill a few months ago sent me over the edge.

Now I battle with extreme anxiety on a daily basis. At some points, its so overwhelming that thoughts of suicide run through my head, my head goes numbs, my arms go numb, my heart beats out of my just, and I honestly have asked my family to take me to the hospital a number of times, because I felt like I was becoming insane, literally.

Is this going to be a long term effect from the ecstasy and whatever it was cut with.

Even with .5mg of Xanax, sometimes it won't control it, till I take two and force myself to sleep.

Im trying out Paxil right now. Will this help significantly?
 
We have no idea what was in the pill you took so I can't say what could help with your anxiety but seeing a doctor, did you test it or look it up on pillreports?
 
I guess it would depend on the person. Eating a healthy diet, exercising, and having a regular sleep pattern can reduce anxiety.
 
i dont understand how in the world you get away with posting the same thread over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.... and over

cmon man, see your fucking doctor. PLEASE
 
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^^ I've done it. I'm sure many have, if your sick of it, then simply don't reply.

See a doctor? He's on Xanax and paxil, he clearly has already.

I'd try out lexapro first man, it's a better AD side effects wise, and coming off.

I dont think you have any serious brain damage, or anything worth worrying about for that matter. You've got a mild form of PTSD from a bad psychological trip on a bad pill. It happened to me, and many others.

You need to chill, fight the thought pattern, get the fuck off the Xanax and let your body NATURALLY deal with it. SSRIs and Xanax aren't going to solve your issues, just mask them.

You want then solved not just masked I'm presuming?

How might you ask, well I'll tell you how.

Eat like a HEALTH FREAK! Protozoa, veggies, low glycogen and glycemic index foods. Lots of fruits in the morning.

Exercise like your training for the olympics, this will help more than any fuxking SSRI or Xanax. I could get into to real nitty gritty of how, but I'd rather not.

Take some fish oil,ashwagandha, niacin, bacopa and most importantly curcumin.

Take 5-10 mg of melatonin everynight before bed, this will help you sleep.

And most importantly, break the thought process that your permanently fucked, this is the most detrimental part.

Listen, I'm still getting over my abuse, and I had the EXACT same symptoms as you, I ended up in the psychiatric ward at my towns mental hospital because of it.

Know what they told me? Mild PTSD but NO brain damage, the thought of having it is what's putting your mind under severe stress, which is leading to depersonalization, which is making you stress more, it's a vicious cycle.

Wanna know something else? I'm basically fully recovered after MONTHs of thinking I was FUCKED for life. I still have sleep problems and anxiety a bit, but it's ALOT better.

Care to know how I did it? Scroll the fuck up, and LISTEN to my advice.

Nothing in life that's worth anything, comes easily. You have to FIGHT for it. This applies here, you'll have to work for your sanity if you want it back, there's no easy way out, trust me. It took you months to get here, itll take you months to get out IF you work at it, it'll never be handed to you I can guarantee you.

Check my old posts for reassurance, it always helped me. You will be fine, trust me.
 
^^ I've done it. I'm sure many have, if your sick of it, then simply don't reply.

See a doctor? He's on Xanax and paxil, he clearly has already.

I'd try out lexapro first man, it's a better AD side effects wise, and coming off.

I dont think you have any serious brain damage, or anything worth worrying about for that matter. You've got a mild form of PTSD from a bad psychological trip on a bad pill. It happened to me, and many others.

You need to chill, fight the thought pattern, get the fuck off the Xanax and let your body NATURALLY deal with it. SSRIs and Xanax aren't going to solve your issues, just mask them.

You want then solved not just masked I'm presuming?

How might you ask, well I'll tell you how.

Eat like a HEALTH FREAK! Protozoa, veggies, low glycogen and glycemic index foods. Lots of fruits in the morning.

Exercise like your training for the olympics, this will help more than any fuxking SSRI or Xanax. I could get into to real nitty gritty of how, but I'd rather not.

Take some fish oil,ashwagandha, niacin, bacopa and most importantly curcumin.

Take 5-10 mg of melatonin everynight before bed, this will help you sleep.

And most importantly, break the thought process that your permanently fucked, this is the most detrimental part.

Listen, I'm still getting over my abuse, and I had the EXACT same symptoms as you, I ended up in the psychiatric ward at my towns mental hospital because of it.

Know what they told me? Mild PTSD but NO brain damage, the thought of having it is what's putting your mind under severe stress, which is leading to depersonalization, which is making you stress more, it's a vicious cycle.

Wanna know something else? I'm basically fully recovered after MONTHs of thinking I was FUCKED for life. I still have sleep problems and anxiety a bit, but it's ALOT better.

Care to know how I did it? Scroll the fuck up, and LISTEN to my advice.

Nothing in life that's worth anything, comes easily. You have to FIGHT for it. This applies here, you'll have to work for your sanity if you want it back, there's no easy way out, trust me. It took you months to get here, itll take you months to get out IF you work at it, it'll never be handed to you I can guarantee you.

Check my old posts for reassurance, it always helped me. You will be fine, trust me.

This^^. Not to say it's ALL in your head. But once you break the cycle of thinking you're brain damaged, things will probably get better.

Xanex is just opening up a whole new world for possible addiction, as are SSRI's. If you're going to take Xanex, just make sure you ONLY take it when you are having severe anxiety, not popping some everyday.

Also, Lexapro was kind of brutal on me for the first few weeks, made things much worse. When I was taking SSRI's, I tried Lexapro, Pristiq, and Prozac. Prozac was by far the most well tolerated one for me, and is also the easiest to wean yourself off of thanks to it's shorter half-life.

EDIT: My experience with SSRI's is not related to drug use.
 
^^ very true, it's not all psychological.

See, the imbalance you sparked with the bad pill reinforced your ideas of "permanent damage", and it your either bit intelligent you'll understand that psychological processes attenuate physiological mechanisms very meticulously.

What does this mean? Well, when your brain experiences "trauma" whether it be drugs or simple stress, its put out of homeostasis. The imbalance sparked by the pill caused stress, and reinforced this "brain damaged" ordeal.

This negative imbalance, grew into psychological stress, throwing your physiological mechanisms more out of whack, pushing your brain further out of homeostasis, make sense?

The more you reinforced this belief, the worse it gets, trust me. Not saying that there's not a tiny amount of damage done reinforcing this, but nothing worth the stress your currently putting your brain through.

Also, you might relise that you can't just stop it so it HAS to be physiological? Not true, PTSD don't have brain damage so they? No. So they have the same symptoms? Yes. Can they just "stop" the process? No.

There's a reason it's an illness, you have de-stress, reevaluate your lifestyle, take it easy, get the fuck off meds, and let your brain sort itself out.

It takes TIME, so don't stress yourself thinking it's permanent cause it'll prolong the process. Let it run it's course, it'll be a bumpy ride but there's a nice rainbow waiting for you at the end of the trail.

I'm no lien man, I went CRAZY posting threads exactly like this constantly all day, so take this advice as first hand.

P.S. I tried Prozac, it made me feel fuckedddd haha I was on lexapro it brought me out of my suicide thoughts in 2 weeks and went from bed ridden to fully functional, working, and exercising daily. Everyone reacts differently I guess.. Its really trial and error. I find SSRIs for MDMA induced depression is contradicted though, it made my anxiety worse..
 
It sounds like your going through the first phase of recovery. Things will get better, trust me. The first 3 months after I abused were the hardest thing I have ever gone though- daily panic attacks, depersonalization, crippling anxiety, bipolar-like depression, socially withdrawn, sort of schizophrenic at points and extremely suicidal. Within the first month I had gone to A&E over 9 times and even called an ambulance to the house thinking I was dying! Its now 7 months down the line and I'm feeling much better, not completely recovered mind, but getting there. Really you've just got to make lifestyle changes like somdud says and keep in contact with your local doctor and tell him what you did and how you feel. You will come out of the darkside trust me. MDMA can seriously mess with your head!
 
thank you guys so so much. like I've said in previous threads, i'm sorry in advance for so many repeated threads. Most contain different questions that others, so they aren't replicas.

This is just the best place to, in a way, blog how I am feeling. It feels good to speak out, like therapy, and hear what other's that have been in my same situation have to say. My therapist can't do that, because she doesn't know how exactly I feel, or much about MDMA, she is just there to listen.

Everyone here, has experienced what I'm going through, and knows exactly what to tell me. I don't mean to be a pest and clog the forums. You guys don't realize how much I appreciate your input.

And another thing, with each thread, I find different users, replying with different story's and feed back. This is very helpful. As my previous threads get lost, pages and pages back in the archive.
 
And for all those who say, get off the forums and see a doctor, i'm currently seeing a Neurologist, Psychiatrist, Therapist, and my primary doctor. But they just can't relate. It's basically a guessing game for all of them.

I've contemplated going to Loma Linda Hospital, but I don't want them to hold me there due to a mental illness, but I know they have so many kinds of doctors that could look into my case.
 
I also had really bad anxiety but after 6 months it is now completely back to normal. The only time i get anxiety attacks is when i smoke weed which was almost 2 months ago. I will be trying in a couple of days and i hope to be okay when smoking.
I say that with a lot of time, exercise you should go back to normal...
I also didn't take and other anti anxiety drugs...
hope that helps good luck in your recovery:)
 
I definitely notice worsened anxiety post MDMA use.

Here's the 3 things I'd recommend -

Rooibos Tea (it sounds insane but try it and get back to me(
Aniracetam - only available online. I'd say a good name would be anxieterminator
Klonopin.

Take the last one for what you will but its long half life makes it much easier to function in society easily for 2 or 3 days.
 
Thizzin,

Look at all this support.
There are 6, now 7, people telling you that you will make it.
Sure, there is one person telling you to 'go away', ignore that.

How far along are you in the recovery process?
This is among the most important of answers.

The odds are overwhelmingly in your favor that you will experience a 'clinical recovery' around 1-1.5 years. This means that your reported anxiety/depression will go away.

This also correlates with the time-frame for restoration of even blood distribution around the brain. Right now you are likely experiencing profound increases in blood flow to specific brain regions.

Serotonin has an impressive and direct effect upon capillaries. It plays a 'tug-of-war' with blood flow. You have likely severed many axonal extensions from the 5-HT cell bodies. Many will recover, some will not.

It is widely agreed upon as a fact that MDMA causes a 'reorganization of the ascending axonal structure'.

'Ascending' refers to the forward nature of the network. From the brainstem, the 5-HT network branches out towards the face. Right behind your eyes and forehead lies the Prefrontal Cortex. This is the 'highest' emotional center of your 'thinking brain'. It is what makes us human.

Animal research shows that the PFC is clearly vulnerable to damage in the 5-HT network. Human research, such as PET or SPECT scans, backs up this assessment.

The axons in this, the most distant region of the brain, are 'fiber-like'. Not only are they the most likely to be damaged, they are also the least likely to recover.

However, this 'recovery' is assumed to correlate with re-innervation patterns.
Re-innervation is eventually found, but it is not as dense. A gradient has been seen suggesting that the re-innervation that DOES occur, happens in a back-to-front manner. The rear of the PFC has a higher density of SERT axons than the front.

Regardless of this 'raw data', it is difficult to isolate specific cognitive differences among former MDMA users. Eventually sufferers experience a relief from the agony, with only modest cognitive deficits remaining.

A great silver lining seen in the 'raw data' is mentioned above.
Eventually, blood distribution returns to normal.
Despite abnormal re-innervation patterns...

Remember, serotonin has a direct impact upon blood flow.
Without restoration of original axonal densities, how can blood flow ever return to normal?

This is among the many mysteries of the brain, my friend.
Modifications to other neurotransmitter systems are suspected.
Regardless of how it happens, the brain is a highly plastic organ that is capable of 'recovering' from a variety of brain trauma.

It turns out that MDMA induced brain-trauma does NOT involve gliosis, or scar tissue, in the brain. Also, MDMA does not destroy the cell-body in the serotonin network - only axons.

These two factors, among others, may allow the brain to recover more completely than with other types of brain-injury!

That doesn't mean the process isnt horrible, though...

These changes in blood distribution in your brain are a part of the 're-wiring' process. There are thousands of cell-bodies pulsating with serotonin. They are pouring serotonin, which inhibits cellular function, into surrounding brain tissue. Eventually, a new axon and receptor site will appear.

This is an intense and horrible process, but the brain appears capable of handling it. Rarely, former users of MDMA experience stroke or brain infarction, even after months of abstinence. This is a result of this 're-wiring' process.

I do not bring this up to worry you, but simply to illustrate the reality of the 're-wiring' that is happening. Numbness or weakness in the arms or legs, especially on one side of the body, is considered a sign of stroke. There may be radial pain, which travels down the armpit to the palm of the hand. The bottoms of the hands and feet are directly linked to the serotonin network. Loss of speech is considered another classic sign of stroke.

Don't worry, many elderly not only survive strokes, but make good recoveries.
It is always recommended that they begin exercise immediately. Within six months, the majority of patients will exhibit their complete recovery potential.

If you can still move your arms and legs, you are doing fine.
Try to think of these strokes are 'almost-strokes' as necessary.
Remember, your brain is re-distributing capillaries.

The best treatment for 5-HT induced stroke is lowering body temperature. If you experience these symptoms again, apply ice-water to the face, head, and neck using a towel. It will help considerably.

Benzos are a good option, as well.
But taking them regularly would be among the greatest of mistakes you could make right now.

MDMA reduces anxiety during the roll, but only after a period of intense cortisol relief.
In recovering users, anxiety is increased, sometimes dramatically.
Doesn't it make sense that this suffering must take place?

Many former victims will forget how critical this intense period of suffering is.
Time is a great factor, but without intense suffering time is rendered useless.
Not one day of suffering is wasted, believe that.

Recovery is considered protracted.
During the first few months, more receptor sites are recovered than in any subsequent time period. This process slows down significantly, and continues to slow as time passes.

I have seen read many anecdotal reports of people crossing the 6-8 month point and experiencing a major improvement. Many report near-complete recovery around 1 year.

Even if you don't emerge completely within 1 year, there is reason to believe that the brain goes on 're-wiring' itself LONG into the future. This is among the best of hope I can offer you.

Exercise is the only way to cheat this process.
When you exercise, you increase the protein BDNF in the brain, which introduces stem cells into many key regions, including the cortex!
It has also been shown to have a direct impact upon the re-sprouting and plasticity of serotonin neurons!

Working out is the only way to find relief from this.
10 minutes per day will actually make a big difference, especially if you repeat if several days in a row. It speeds up the whole process and it gives you a vacation from your symptoms.

Taking fish oil and tumeric (powerful anti-inflammatory) should help.
Sleeping is critical. But exercise trumps all.

You are going to be ok, but it is going to take a LONG time.
The worst is the first 3-4 months.
By 6 months, you should feel MUCH better, maybe even helping others.
By 1 year, you will look back at this - because it will be behind you.

When that happens, come back and tell BL about it.
The more information, the better.

I hope this helped, my friend.
Good luck.
 
First Bad Comedown, have you gone to medical school or studied the brain at all?

You sure have told me more then any doctor in my entire life. It's crazy.

I quit my Celexa for two weeks, and a few days ago, I literally thought I was going insane, had a major panic attack, woke my dad up to take me to the hospital, the whole 9 yards.

So, now i'm trying Paxil. Its day two now, and I feel much better then I did 2 days ago. But I still have so many traumatic experiences in my head that haunt me. The day of the bad pill, many of my major panic attacks :/ It's impossible to forget.

They make me sick to my stomach. I feel like I took a poison bomb that absolutely flipped my brain upside down and fucked it. My mind craves the old me, I miss the old me, I neeeeeed the old me, before MDMA, I feel like a sick mental patient.
 
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