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Would opiate addiction be bad if...

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Hazmatx

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Hey guys, i'm a greenlighter still, been using this site for a long time though and loves all the information I have taken from it.
About me;I enjoy an assortment of opiates atleast 3 days a week but doesn't do anything in really excessive amounts (Cept a small tramadol run when I was taking about 450mgs a day, 4 days a week but was able to stop about a month ago) and hasn't and don't plan on every IV'ing anything. Main opiate would be oxycodone and tramadol but will also take anything else he can get his hands on (oxymorphone was strongest opiate i've ever done).

I was just wondering after reading a bunch of different sites on the subject; I have actually been changing his life for the better IE: Started going to college again, getting A's, going to the gym again and getting a new car and this has all been done while taking opiates every week (not usually every day) and it hasn't affected my life in any negative way cept for a little less money and depending on how many days in a row some small withdrawals.
If I continues to stay on the right path is a small opiate addiction really that bad? I figure it would only be a bad thing if it affects your life in any sort of negative way that he has yet to see. Thanks :)

BTW sorry if this is in the wrong section, couldn't find a better suited one =/
 
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You dont need to say swim. It seems to be against the norm here (not that I care).

But I dont think its necessarily that bad but not as good as not being addicted imo
 
Hi Hazmatx,

I'm surprised if you've been using this site for a long time you haven't noticed that we don't use SWIM. Either way we don't so if you can edit your post to use proper first person pronouns it would be appreciated and you'll get people who are willing to read and respond to your thread.

As for your question about casual but habitual opioid use, if it's working for you nobody can deny it is working for you. There have been lots of other people who have been in the same situation as you for years though, and once a they hit a rough patch or more stresful time they start leaning on opiates more and more until the habit that they nursed through uni, a marriage 2 kids and a 10 year career turns on them and in months takes it all away.

The tolerance aspect can also catch up to you and make things more difficult, and there is always the risk of legal problems as well like possession, drug testing, police dogs etc. The money is a pretty big aspect too when you think of how much you could be saving.
 
Opioids are very hard on the body even taking them as prescribed, so in that sense it would be bad to some extent, but how bad I think really does depend on the impact it has on your life. I go through withdrawals every other week but I'm willing to deal with it for the help I get with my chronic pain, and so long as it's not causing any noticeable harm aside from that I don't consider my case being bad enough to stop. Drinking caused all sorts of nightmares for me so I didn't have a choice with that, but some people just know when to slow down and when to stop. Opioids are kind of similar. Basically, you know your own body better than anyone, and if you can deal with the effect it has on you without making other people deal with it then I'd say no, it really wouldn't be that bad, only at all because of the invasiveness towards the body's normal operations.
 
I fixed my post, I just always saw people using SWIM in the threads I've seen in the past, maybe it was mainly on some other forums.

Thanks guys I just wanted some other people's thoughts/experiences on the subject. In the past when I know something was getting out of hand I was able to stop it in the past so I think if it does get out of hand in any way I will be able to control myself.
 
If it makes you feel any better I wouldn't have been able to quit anything in my life were it not for beginning to get out of hand, so I can relate.
 
so I think if it does get out of hand in any way I will be able to control myself.
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Gust so you know there has never been a person who thought they wouldn't be able to control themselves. Yet there a lot of people who were wrong and ended up full on addicted. The whole thing is it's not within your control to control yourself. Don't think of it as I'm stronger than everybody else and won't get addicted. Think of it as I'm going to role the dice and there is a chance that I will get addicted and a chance I won't but it is not going to be up to me. Ask yourself if you want to take that risk.
 
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Gust so you know there has never been a person who thought they wouldn't be able to control themselves. Yet there a lot of people who were wrong and ended up full on addicted. The whole thing is it's not within your control to control yourself. Don't think of it as I'm stronger than everybody else and won't get addicted. Think of it as I'm going to role the dice and there is a chance that I will get addicted and a chance I won't but it is not going to be up to me. Ask yourself if you want to take that risk.
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That's a very good point, I'm going to try my hardest to keep it to a reasonable amount per week, chances are i'll be using this site for a long while 8)
 
If you can manage to control it, it can work but it can quickly and easily get out of hand.
I started With the same mindset, cold water extracting panadeine extra. By the time I realized that I was hooked, I was taking atleast 9 tabs durin the day, CWE another 8/10 in the evening and thinking where there was a chemist I havnt been to recently.
 
Please, I had no intention of coming across that way. I have my share of addictions, and my beliefs dictate my own strength had nothing to do with overcoming past use. I just wanted the poster to remember to stop every so often and reassess to make sure your life isn't going to crap, and to stop altogether if they start to notice anything to happen. I never meant to sound like rationalization or justification, nor as if addiction were harmless in any way.

Truthfully, I would D/C the medicine altogether if I could, and the chronic pain is not the only reason I can't, and with that being the case the best I can do at this time period of my life is to not beat myself up over it and look at the situation at hand rather than the stereotypical view of any and all medications I see all too often.
 
I completely agree with 'Amapola' (Senior Moderator), he sounds like he really knows his stuff, and he's absolutely right, and had a lot of great advice. I believe opiate addiction is just about the worst addiction you can have, under alcoholism, and above benzodiazepine dependency. I'm prescribed oxycodone (120 20mg tabs), along with soma, and Celebrex for chronic pain in my back. And they really do help the pain amazingly, but as a chronic pain sufferer, i don't have much of a choice but to be dependent on the medication. And i've had my fair share of problems, like meds being stolen and what-not, and the withdrawals plus pain is absolutely unbearable. I guess when you actually need the meds for pain they loose any 'fun' that they had once held, and now i'd give up all the opiods in the world just to be pain-free. In the end though it's always up to you to decide what and how you're going to handle your situation. I just hope that you use caution, and thoroughly think it through, weigh the pros and cons, and find a solution that works and helps you with your specific needs.
 
Jager336 said:
Opioids are very hard on the body even taking them as prescribed...
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On the contrary, opioids are the least harmful (short & long term) of all pain relievers. Too much of them can diminish respiratory drive & you die but most of those are accidental or intentional (suicide). It's the acetaminophen in those Vicodins and Percocets, etc. that does the most damage, especially when one's tolerance is high.

For example - a dose of 6 Percs or 8 Vics with 350-500-750mg of acetaminophen in each pill and taken several times a day (you do the math) based on one's dependence, desire, tolerance - that's a ginormous amount of Tylenol and it's worse than alcohol in the shortrun on one's liver. Alcohol usually does its damage over decades, while an O.D. of apap is capable of acute damage and/or hepatic failure.

The hybrids such as Oxycontin, MScontin, Fentanyl, Norco, the XLs, XRs, SRs, etc., don't contain acetaminophen.

NSAIDS beyond ibuprofen seem nice because they don't cause euphoria or a high [gawd forbid] but they're vicious on so many levels. Acetaminophen by itself is worthless. Anti-depressants for pain = placebo, poo-pooing by docs.

Oh, and opioids are the least expensive, as well. They are not the demons that the DEA & the narcs have made them out to be, but now doctors are terrified to prescribe the cheapest and most-effective treatment for pain. How much sense does it make?

I know ya'll know this shit, I just hate to see misinformation go unchecked.
 
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booyaa said:
I 've had a similar habit for several months, no problems at college, minor withdrawal symptoms, just a bit isolated.
about 7 months later I've had my first strong withdrawal symptom so I decided to quit. It was a hell, mainly psychologically. But my friends and family were really supportive and helpful so I managed to stay clean. Just a couple of relapses but nothing big.
On the other hand, since I was off heroin, I started using other stuff more and more frequently.. coke, md, benzos... so I guess the problem was not entirely solved! now I've stopped it all, but drink a whole lotta whiskey every night to get to sleep.. and sometimes i feel so bad.. it's just hard for me to deal with my problems coz for the past 4 years I've always leaned on substances to do so..
I'm definitely not going back to abusing any kind of drug, they all kinda seem indifferent to me.. or I just want to believe so!
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck, mate :)
stay strong
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unfortunately you still are abusing a drug - alcohol. but i hear you and can relate, not on the alcohol but on substituting drugs to fill the gap. you're just self medicating to try to balance yourself out, ie: be able to sleep and lead a productive life. but i'm not telling you anything you don't know. good luck, try to slowly wean off the whiskey at night little by little and see if you can't naturally restore your sleep pattern over time. if you're anything like me, your sleep pattern will never be normal and you'll just learn to cope with it. bla.

to the OP: opiates gave me energy to help my wife through school after a long day at work. i did them only a few times a week but after over a year i began to go through spurts of doing them everyday. long story short, i helped my wife for 2.5 years of school, leaning on opiates (hydrocodone and oxycodone) to give me the motivation to do well for her. she was carrying a workload way too heavy for one person and i had to overextend myself to help her. i have a brutal past with oxycodone and knew what i was getting myself into but i was willing to take that risk to ensure that she reaches her goal. over that 2.5 years i flip-flopped between taking them everyday, taking them only as needed for school, and going into w/d's when there were dry spells and i wasn't able to buy pills. i continued the cycle because it was worth it to me. i never went too far with it, nothing at all like i did with oxycontin many years ago, but i went far enough. after i was done helping her (i did all her online classes for her, now she's only taking classes on campus), i did wean myself off and stop.... for a few weeks. then i started up again. i knew damn well it was a bad idea and i flip-flopped between "you know you shouldn't" and "you just did it for 2.5 years and it wasn't TOO bad, rough at times yeah but not the end of the world. go ahead enjoy yourself" cuz i really missed the euphoria of course. i was very happy and content in life, my emotions were no longer dulled by drugs and i felt very alive and happy. but i wanted more. so here i am, i've been on and off oxycodone for the past half a year for no other reason than it's very hard to say goodbye to this shit. i cycle between wanting some and knowing i don't need any, in which case i begin to taper and go off the stuff.

just know that once you've worked opiates into your schedule it is VERY hard to go without. i don't mean for a few days, i mean for the long-term. once you've established a long-term relationship with opiates, it's hard to quit for long periods of time. i want to quit altogether for at least a few months but i can't make it any longer than a week or a couple weeks. i'm currently dependent on it daily and back to tapering off.... it's not that i can't stay away. it's that after i'm away for awhile, i make the choice that i no longer want to be away from them. they do change your reward system
 
Oxycodone is one of the cleaner more stimulating opiates. It's lets you stay high and enjoy yourself while doing boring or mindless tasks and so longs as you don't nod out it doesn't make you just want to melt into a bed like codeine, hydrocodone, or diamorphine do.
 
amapola said:
Oxycodone is one of the cleaner more stimulating opiates. It's lets you stay high and enjoy yourself while doing boring or mindless tasks and so longs as you don't nod out it doesn't make you just want to melt into a bed like codeine, hydrocodone, or diamorphine do.
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^ this. oxycodone and hydrocodone in particular at low to moderate doses actually let me focus much better than normal and give me energy. it isn't until higher doses that i start to nod and get the opposite effect. at lower to moderate doses they give me loads of energy and motivation. they work better than adderall and traditional stimulants for me, although that statement is probably unusual for most people. i know of only one other person who actually can get wired from opiates, sometimes at same exact doses that make other people nod. they make me super happy, motivated, with a strong desire to work on something and be productive... as strange as that may sound.
 
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^ this. oxycodone and hydrocodone in particular at low to moderate doses actually let me focus much better than normal and give me energy. it isn't until higher doses that i start to nod and get the opposite effect. at lower to moderate doses they give me loads of energy and motivation. they work better than adderall and traditional stimulants for me, although that statement is probably unusual for most people. i know of only one other person who actually can get wired from opiates, sometimes at same exact doses that make other people nod. they make me super happy, motivated, with a strong desire to work on something and be productive... as strange as that may sound.
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That's exactly how I am, I hate when any drugs floor me or slow me down in any which way. When I take any opiates i'm not trying to nod out it just makes boring tasks a lot more enjoyable. That's why I loved tramadol and got really into that, it was the most stimulating opiate type drug I have ever had. That's also why opiates are my drug of choice against benzo's, alcohol, weed any of that stuff that slows down your brain functioning/motor skills.

This helps in a way since I don't take an excessive amount to nod out and do nothing but sit on a couch and wast away haha (Oxymorphone made me nod for about 3 hours and that's all I did 8)).

Thanks for all the insights, I will definitely keep a close watch on my habit and take the time to step back every once in awhile and make sure my life is still how I want it.
 
One thing people don't often mention about opiate addiction is that it becomes really boring and redundant after a while. As in, the high becomes far less enjoyable (nonexistent for some) and it is just about avoiding illness. It becomes an obsession, slowly edging out other vital parts of your life until it's all you can think about, even though it doesn't feel that great after a while.

As for your health, opiates themselves do not cause chronic organ damage like some other drugs, but withdrawals are hell. Unless you have a steady supply mapped out for the rest of your life, I suggest not getting into the habit at all.
 
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