Heroin Looking for some advice on avoiding H addiction

[amapola]

^My apologies for not noticing that you weren't asking anything about IVing.

 

[Secobarbital]

yea yae its a good post im sorry for getting so pissed but i do recall you posets something offencive that really made me mad thats why i responded that way. I am a little annoyed my response got removed but its ok. and for the record I woke up fine and im not craving buying more h so i think this is under controle. Also i never asked anything about IV nore do i have the intention to use IV so thanks for all this "feedback" maby some time ill see the beauty in it

Don't sweat it man, I've got thick skin, we can just say the bad words never happened, hows about that.

May you never see the "beauty" in IV drug use, it sucks. Nothing makes you realize just how desperate your situation has gotten than registering a vein.

I understand that you aren't craving heroin today, thats good. Like I said, it isn't something that happens instantly. I know people (myself included) who suffered w/d symptoms for months before we realized it wasn't a cold or the flu, it was the pills. It takes a while to develop a mental addiction, longer to develop a physical one. I worry very much about how hard you are trying to rationalize this already. You should pay close attention to how combative you are, it is a good sign of where you are at on the subject, and being willing to fight for your heroin is no place to be. Now that you are of a more level head, and not so upset...

Be very careful man, you might start out in control. You will feel in control the whole time. I feel like I'm in control of my habit right now, but I'm not. You might think it's ok as long as you don't use the needle. I used to IV all the time, I walked away from it. You can be every bit as addicted as an IV user without ever picking up a rig. I just really want you to understand that you are playing with fire, gasoline, and nitro glycerin all in the same 5x5 room. You deserve to be told how bad what you are doing could possibly be. Once you get addicted, theres no going back and making it like it didn't happen. You will begin to notice that casually as you go through your day, you will start to think more and more about a good dose of heroin. You haven't had cravings so you just don't know how bad they are. It isn't like you want a bowl of ice cream. My car is broken down right now, I was thinking of selling my aluminum rims earlier for dope money. Nevermind I'm planning on fixing my car, thats just how this sickness works. My dad is mad at me right now because he can't get any opana and I have a tiny piece of one. I know it seems absurd for all of us to tell you its a terrible idea as we are going about our usual routine of fighting our addiction, supporting our addiction, and talking bad about our addiction. Thats how messed up it is man, we will all sit here and tell you not to join us, but we will still be here. We very much so envy the fact that you don't have to carry the burden we have, and that is why we have said what we have to say to you. I'd give anything to be on the other side of the fence. I'm not though, I'm here. I can't leave either. If you are going to do heroin, then atleast keep it down to like once a month or less. You can gage its hold on you as well by how often you think about going more than once per month. Once you hit once a week, its gonna be too late though, and sadly it will happen without you realizing it. Heroin has destroyed people bigger and stronger than you, me, and anyone else here. It's like the precious on Lord of the Rings, but worse somehow. Really just can't tell you how bad it is.

 

[StartedHydro]

I know it's not want you want to hear or listen to, but just avoid it at all costs. It ruined my life. Took a great job, house, long term relationship(her kids) from me. She left me for a successful engineer, lost my house, live at home with parents, been unemployed for a few months....

Just 6 years ago I had a mach1 mustang, house, great shape, wonderful woman, 95,000 yr job...

Now, I'm depressed, lonely, miss her greatly, her kids, my own pad, I've ashamed my entire family, it's awful...

Leave the shit alone.

 

[chitown rollin]

I'm a recreational user of heroin and have not ever been addicted to it. I can do it every once in a while and not ever crave it. I am a very strange example of heroin users. Something about my personality and opiates in general do not mix. I would not try it if you want to not become addicted that much. I have many friends who have tried it and said they would only snort it... they are now full blown IV dope addicts. If you love the feeling, which you probably will, I don't think there is any fool proof way to not get addicted. I would also ask why the fuck are you buying 2 grams? 2 grams of dope are going to be in your possession and you are probably going to do it all the time. To me you seem like you really don't care about becoming not addicted aside from making this post. I have never bought more than a bag at a time and usually just get down on a half bag split with a friend. Re-think your choice to try this drug.

 

[Pralus]

hey, swim is looking to cop 2 grams of some killer h Tomorrow. swim has no tolerance and intends to only snort this dope. First off, swim is a recovering addict but H is not his drug of choice because he is a Polysubstance user and doesn't have one. Swim wants to avoid at all costs becoming addicted to that shit any advice? ideas? Ill have to see how it affects swim but he has ADHD and and tends to be more active under the euphoric effects from blowing lines. swim has previously gone to art museums while taking morphine sulfate 40 mg and he had a great time looking at shit
again, if anyone has strategies to avoid addiction while using their DOC in moderation (not just h) and or jus tips


<snip>

mod note: We don't allow discussion on how to beat the authorities.

I've got a brilliant idea, if not slightly irritating. Don't take Heroin. I'm out now but when i started i was just 15yr old without much of a clue. 4 sad years, creating needs that i never had. A lot of the high is the relief. Wearing tight shoes only to take them off as the Late Alan Carr once said. Just don't put the shoes on.

 

[Pralus]

I've got a brilliant idea, if not slightly irritating. Don't take Heroin. I'm out now but when i started i was just 15yr old without much of a clue. 4 sad years, creating needs that i never had. A lot of the high is the relief. Wearing tight shoes only to take them off as the Late Alan Carr once said. Just don't put the shoes on.

Which, it would seem, a lot of other wise peeps are suggesting could be another option. I think the most pernicious aspect of physical addiction is that it makes it sooo much harder to honestly ask yourself if it's making your life any more enjoyable. It's wickedly ironic but asking yourself if your getting the fun that you signed up for always pales into insignificance in light of the emotional fear and panic of withdrawal, should you not keep up with the relentless money/score/fix loop. Nutty but true.

 

[Secobarbital]

I'm a recreational user of heroin and have not ever been addicted to it. I can do it every once in a while and not ever crave it. I am a very strange example of heroin users. Something about my personality and opiates in general do not mix. I would not try it if you want to not become addicted that much. I have many friends who have tried it and said they would only snort it... they are now full blown IV dope addicts. If you love the feeling, which you probably will, I don't think there is any fool proof way to not get addicted. I would also ask why the fuck are you buying 2 grams? 2 grams of dope are going to be in your possession and you are probably going to do it all the time. To me you seem like you really don't care about becoming not addicted aside from making this post. I have never bought more than a bag at a time and usually just get down on a half bag split with a friend. Re-think your choice to try this drug.

How long have you been casually using? It took me years to develop a habit because I would get sick from doing too much from time to time and go a very long time without doing anymore. Eventually an extremely nasty breakup with a girl, combined with losing two of my best friends over stupid bs tied in with said ex girlfriend triggered me into doing lots of OC for a long time and not caring if I got sick. It took a year further for me to realize why I was getting so sick. Because it still took a while for my w/d to get bad enough to be directly correlated with me running out of pills. It basically took a year for me to put 2+2 together and get 4. I think this happens to a lot of people, I'm no dummy, and I fell for it. So did all my friends. I know at least 100 people that got pulled like this. Slowly but surely until it was way way too late. This thread is proof, we've already got a good 5-6 people here saying "My life is in total ruin b/c of the poppy pod. It feels great, but don't do it."

 

[Secobarbital]

Which, it would seem, a lot of other wise peeps are suggesting could be another option. I think the most pernicious aspect of physical addiction is that it makes it sooo much harder to honestly ask yourself if it's making your life any more enjoyable. It's wickedly ironic but asking yourself if your getting the fun that you signed up for always pales into insignificance in light of the emotional fear and panic of withdrawal, should you not keep up with the relentless money/score/fix loop. Nutty but true.

This is why suicide rates are exceptionally high with addicts. I know I've thought about killing myself. I probably would have if my family wouldn't be so destroyed by it. I'm not alive for myself at this point. Not that I'm gonna go off myself, but if I had no family to hurt, no girlfriend to hurt, I'd have killed myself a long time ago. That's how great opiate addiction is.

 

[38slug]

Don't sweat it man, I've got thick skin, we can just say the bad words never happened, hows about that.

May you never see the "beauty" in IV drug use, it sucks. Nothing makes you realize just how desperate your situation has gotten than registering a vein.

I understand that you aren't craving heroin today, thats good. Like I said, it isn't something that happens instantly. I know people (myself included) who suffered w/d symptoms for months before we realized it wasn't a cold or the flu, it was the pills. It takes a while to develop a mental addiction, longer to develop a physical one. I worry very much about how hard you are trying to rationalize this already. You should pay close attention to how combative you are, it is a good sign of where you are at on the subject, and being willing to fight for your heroin is no place to be. Now that you are of a more level head, and not so upset...

Be very careful man, you might start out in control. You will feel in control the whole time. I feel like I'm in control of my habit right now, but I'm not. You might think it's ok as long as you don't use the needle. I used to IV all the time, I walked away from it. You can be every bit as addicted as an IV user without ever picking up a rig. I just really want you to understand that you are playing with fire, gasoline, and nitro glycerin all in the same 5x5 room. You deserve to be told how bad what you are doing could possibly be. Once you get addicted, theres no going back and making it like it didn't happen. You will begin to notice that casually as you go through your day, you will start to think more and more about a good dose of heroin. You haven't had cravings so you just don't know how bad they are. It isn't like you want a bowl of ice cream. My car is broken down right now, I was thinking of selling my aluminum rims earlier for dope money. Nevermind I'm planning on fixing my car, thats just how this sickness works. My dad is mad at me right now because he can't get any opana and I have a tiny piece of one. I know it seems absurd for all of us to tell you its a terrible idea as we are going about our usual routine of fighting our addiction, supporting our addiction, and talking bad about our addiction. Thats how messed up it is man, we will all sit here and tell you not to join us, but we will still be here. We very much so envy the fact that you don't have to carry the burden we have, and that is why we have said what we have to say to you. I'd give anything to be on the other side of the fence. I'm not though, I'm here. I can't leave either. If you are going to do heroin, then atleast keep it down to like once a month or less. You can gage its hold on you as well by how often you think about going more than once per month. Once you hit once a week, its gonna be too late though, and sadly it will happen without you realizing it. Heroin has destroyed people bigger and stronger than you, me, and anyone else here. It's like the precious on Lord of the Rings, but worse somehow. Really just can't tell you how bad it is.

ya i appreciate you weighting this so i know someone at least took the trouble to tell me how bad it is, Thanks youre words here are much more insightful than on that post that pissed me off.
<snip>

 

[Secobarbital]

ya i appreciate you weighting this so i know someone at least took the trouble to tell me how bad it is, Thanks youre words here are much more insightful than on that post that pissed me off.
<snip>

Much respect my friend, it takes a big person to say something like that. I commend you. I know this sounds absolutely absurd, but we try not to cuss too much here. I know, a bunch of junkies that try to watch our tongues, it sounds nuts doesn't it? The cool thing about not cussing though is that when angry parents, politicians, and other "holier than thou" people cross our forums, we don't look and act exactly like they think we do. It also tends to remove unnecessary words when we have an otherwise overflow of information. My personal favorite though, is we just try not to curse at each other, we are all friends here. Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you respectfully disagree, your posts may hang around forever. Again, I commend you my friend.

 

[suessmayr]

they have this incredible way of making you lie to yourself and rationalize everything in the best possible manner.

^ that

 

[38slug]

Much respect my friend, it takes a big person to say something like that. I commend you. I know this sounds absolutely absurd, but we try not to cuss too much here. I know, a bunch of junkies that try to watch our tongues, it sounds nuts doesn't it? The cool thing about not cussing though is that when angry parents, politicians, and other "holier than thou" people cross our forums, we don't look and act exactly like they think we do. It also tends to remove unnecessary words when we have an otherwise overflow of information. My personal favorite though, is we just try not to curse at each other, we are all friends here. Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you respectfully disagree, your posts may hang around forever. Again, I commend you my friend.

ya respect ;, I appreciate the shit you said

 

[What was it?]

This is why suicide rates are exceptionally high with addicts. I know I've thought about killing myself. I probably would have if my family wouldn't be so destroyed by it. I'm not alive for myself at this point. Not that I'm gonna go off myself, but if I had no family to hurt, no girlfriend to hurt, I'd have killed myself a long time ago. That's how great opiate addiction is.

The only time I become suicidal is if I withdraw off benzos - once and never again!!!! Stay away from THAT shit definitely!!!

 

[nastynick12]

to the op: you truly sound like an addict with all the justification and rationalization, and for all the treatment and lessons youve gone through, you havent learned that as an addict you cant use ANY drug normally?
to secobarbital: on point about how the opiate addiction starts and its relation to it being a functional high and if not more productive than sober, definitely what pulled me in

 

[amapola]

to secobarbital: on point about how the opiate addiction starts and its relation to it being a functional high and if not more productive than sober, definitely what pulled me in

I made a thread a long while back well before I was mod about how I enjoyed opiates more than booze and a lot of my friends would get sloppy drunk. It was about how opioids are almost a better DOC than alcohol as you can function on them. This is definitely a downside to that. Probably why stims can be so addicting as well even without the withdrawal compared to opioids.

 

[Secobarbital]

I made a thread a long while back well before I was mod about how I enjoyed opiates more than booze and a lot of my friends would get sloppy drunk. It was about how opioids are almost a better DOC than alcohol as you can function on them. This is definitely a downside to that. Probably why stims can be so addicting as well even without the withdrawal compared to opioids.

How active you can be is the devil. It's grand to rip a giant line and run around doing stuff all day. There is this giant sense of security in thinking you have "control" of when you are sick. It's really easy to say "Oh, well I'll just buy 10 pills, and since I'm dope sick, I'll just do them when I have to work". Before you know it, you are at work the next day, deathly sick, no pills, and 3 days at work left before you even know where anything will be. Working while high fun, working while in wd... the opposite of fun, but considerably worse. There's really now words for what it feels like to wake up at 5am, and go to work deathly dope sick.

 

[38slug]

How active you can be is the devil. It's grand to rip a giant line and run around doing stuff all day. There is this giant sense of security in thinking you have "control" of when you are sick. It's really easy to say "Oh, well I'll just buy 10 pills, and since I'm dope sick, I'll just do them when I have to work". Before you know it, you are at work the next day, deathly sick, no pills, and 3 days at work left before you even know where anything will be. Working while high fun, working while in wd... the opposite of fun, but considerably worse. There's really now words for what it feels like to wake up at 5am, and go to work deathly dope sick.

OH that sounds pretty fucked up
Iv had to cop suboxone previously foR WD wit oc and morphine shit

 

[No_thats_not_nice]

Well, you were rather rude earlier, no need to break out the "F*ck you" stuff, and as a matter of fact, I do know exactly what I'm talking about. I've been there, I've stood right in your shoes right now. My circumstances were a little different, but opiates have basically ruined my life. They are fun. When you start, it really feels like you can control it. It took me about 3 years to develop a habit at all. Then it took another year before I started to have withdrawal symptoms. Slowly but surely I started doing opiates all the time. It's not like you are going to do a gram or two, and sell your house and everything you own right away. Opiate usage, and especially Heroin slowly but surely takes over you. You end up living for one thing and one thing only, to get more opiates. You know its stupid, but it doesn't matter. Once you are addicted, its there forever. It isn't like you can quit doing heroin and its just gone. You think about it all the time, you never ever feel right again. I think about dope every single solitary day. No matter how long you stay clean, you will not see the sun rise then set without craving some. It's not a craving like you wanna smoke pot.... Opiate cravings will rule you. Dope sickness is no joke either, going through w/d's from strong opiates is a rough, rough experience. Everyone here will tell you that w/d's have broken them. I'm not trying to float my own boat or anything, but I'm a tough, mentally strong person. I've spent as much time as anyone else here crying like a little girl because I was so dope sick.

I'm not trying to put you down, no one here is. You have found one of the most accepting communities online. I can tell by your comment about being a functioning addict through high school that you probably aren't all that old. Telling me "try not to say shit when you have no idea" tells me the same. There's no need for all that. You don't like our answer, I know. Honestly, I don't like the idea of not doing opiates myself, but I'm already an addict. I'd do anything to not deal with what I have to deal with on a daily basis. I hate opiates, and wish I had never tried the first pain pill. Today, the only way I ever feel normal is when I'm on opiates, or take a xanax. As a result of my extreme addiction, I have permanent GAD. It never goes away no matter how long I stay clean for. It has taken most of the things in my life I enjoy.

As for your original topic. The only way to avoid addiction is to not ever do it. You can casually use opiates for a while, you won't be addicted in a day. It took me years, it started out just enjoying a few pain pills here and there. Unfortunately, you can be very functional on opiates, and this is what gets everyone. You can do them all day long every day, and at first, you may even be more productive. I would always make way way more money when I bar tended on Oxycontin. Usually about twice as much. There are just so many ways to get pulled in slowly, but surely. They have this incredible way of making you lie to yourself and rationalize everything in the best possible manner. It's easy to rationalize getting a bag, or an oc, or whatever for your shift at work when it means you will make twice as much money isn't it? It just doesn't go that way forever. Eventually, you get dope sick. Then you need opiates to feel normal. At that point, they will own you forever. I never ever thought I'd stick myself with a needle. I have. I never thought I'd steal to support my habit, I have. I'm so ashamed of how I lived my life for so long. I still have a bit of a habit today. I'm not on the needle anymore, I don't ever steal anything anymore, but I still do pills sometimes. I fight it every day. Every day of my life I wake up craving pills. Every single thing I do in my life is connected with opiates, no matter what I do, I always wish I had some dope to do too. It's there everyday, I hate it, but it will probably never go away. I just do better. I only use pills about twice a week. On the surface, you might think I'm in control. Well, I'm not in control. If I could afford it, I'd do pills all day every day. The only thing I am limited by is money, like 99.9999% of addicts.

You are on a forum full of functional addicts. It amazes me you can tell us we don't know whats going on, or whats up. Why do you think we are on this forum? Most of us are functional opiate addicts specifically. Look up my posts and you can read all about what I've been through. Not all heroin addicts are homeless on the streets. Many of us have jobs, and live "normal" lives. We carry a burden though, a sickness. A sickness that breaks us down to tears, that hurts everyone around us. We ourselves hate it, but for lack of a better term its just too damn late for us. We have wised up, and know what to do to help limit our addiction. We still go to work on days that we feel like, and usually wish we were dying. It takes all our money, it's a disgustingly expensive habit, I've had to spend $50 per day to keep from being sick before. There is almost no emotion or color left in our life when we are out of dope. I know plenty of people who have a family, are raising kids, and you would never know it from the outside if you didn't know them, but they carry a terrible burden every day. I wish you understood how bad it is man. In fact, maybe you shouldn't be talking when you have no idea, because you don't. You might think it was easy to be a functional drug addict in high school, but you weren't addicted to anything with the keeping power Heroin has. You ARE NOT stronger than heroin. I'm not trying to put you down, but that's how it is. I know you are strong willed, and obviously you think you have it figured out. You just have no idea what you are walking into. It will destroy you man, it will take everything from you. Please listen to what we are saying. If ONE good thing can come out of the hell I live through every day, it will be that no one else has to go through it.

Im a long time lurker on this website, but signed up just to say thanks for sharing that story. That's some deep stuff. Great post bro, hope things work out for you!
Best wishes

 

[CounTerOrdeR]

I disagree here about how OC or any opiate cant be chipped. Ive been chipping oxy for 6 years using 1-3 times a week every week. In those 6 years there was only 2 times where i used more than that, 5days straight and 6days straight respectively. Actually in the last 1.5 years ive been using less than i used to. Opies are my only friend and ive still managed this. It can be done. Atleast for a time...

Ive also used-Heroin-Morphine-Fentanyl(100ug patch buccally,held in mouth for 12 hours, this after 6days of no opie use)-Hydrocodone-Hydromorphone-Methadone etc.. I know im such an odd exception. Point being im not ignorant to opies.

My tolerance is ridic though, i started on 40mg of oxy when most people say 20mg should knock a noob out. So maybe ive got some wierd shit going on in my head(physically) when it comes to opies.

...Having said that Secobarbital is completely correct in all he has said. I can admit if i didnt have such high natural tolerance and as such could afford to do it all day, fuck at this point in my life i so would, theres that point where you just dont care anymore and say fuck it. Yeah it will take hold of anybody eventually. I feel it, you will feel it much quicker than I most likely.

Still so far from being addicted though. I like being dependent.

 

[Secobarbital]

Im a long time lurker on this website, but signed up just to say thanks for sharing that story. That's some deep stuff. Great post bro, hope things work out for you!
Best wishes

Thank you so much, this is the 4th or 5th specific comment I've gotten about how much that post effected people. It makes me happy to know that maybe a few people will read that post and realize it isn't worth it. Once the cat's out of the bag its a one way street. I've been thinking about going on MMT just because my life is so terrible when I don't do opiates now. I did recently acquire some Valium though which I desperately needed for the GAD. It has helped, and I believe it will help me reduce the amount of times I do opiates. I took the last 3 days off, and had a slip-up with some roxys tonight. I hate how comfortable I feel right now compared to the rest of the time. MMT is admitting defeat for me though, so I'm going to give these Valium a good chance to help me out a bit. At the 6 month mark of sobriety, I hadn't left my house in 2 months, and that's when I started slipping up a bit. I thought being strung out was bad, but I was less happy not leaving my house since I had so much anxiety and so little motivation. I took 2 Valium today and left my house for the first time in 2 weeks, and had a great time though! I wanted to not have to take pills every day, but it looks like I'll need something or another for the rest of my life after my addiction. It feels like karma, I liked pills so much that now I have to take them for the rest of my life...