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Ok soo im getting ready to purchase my first cycles, and ive tweaked my diet for the better.

Im thinking of Getting Dianabol, with Test E injections.
I dunno whether or not to go through underground sources or internet sources, Especially with the Test E being hard to find.

anyways i had a few questions about when i start my cycles and first is

Since Marijuana affects you metabolism, can it in fact fuck up or counteract your cycles???

What about Opiates??? and the effects on the body??? (when combined with anabolics DUH)

also Alcohol + Dianabol on the liver??? i figure its worse combining the 2 at any point but can it cause real bad long term effects (Im not a big drinker anyways just a question)

And for this being my first cycle im just wondering what would be some better routes for my second????

Im only doing an 8 week first just to get used to it, with not soo many side effects, but im wondering what are the best anabolics in terms of low side effects and big - medium gains???

hope i diddnt offend anyone by my lack of knowledge
 
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Before I start answering - what are your stats , how long have you been lifting ?

I would do a first cycle of test only . say 500mg for 10 weeks . Simplest reason is you want to know what is doing what , is that strength the test kicking in .... is that gyno from dbol ... any questions you wanna keep it simple first cycle.

Weed won't counteract a cycle , opiates can cause a stroke easily when combined with AAS. Dianabol is 17aa oral steroid, it's broken down in the liver and you should have a bloodwork done before / after a cycle with a liver toxic steroid. Drinking, not a good call.
 
Age 23
Weight 155 lbs
Height 6'2
Bf% unknown (but if id have to guess it'd be around 5% very low)
Lifting/working out periodically for about 2 years (i fell into a few drug addicted holes throughout that time period)

Ive allways had issues with weight and gaining, ive been told by my Dr. "High Metabolism" but that still doesnt satisfy me.

Im alot healthier now, I eat anywhere from 2 - 5 times a day (brown bread, green Vegetables, Pasta, potatoes, chicken, and beef) is my main diet.

My goal is to gain 30lbs throughout the summer, and get up to 180-190 or soo.

My genetics code keeps me at my weight no'matter how much i tweak my deit or exercise alone.

My cardio isnt as great a sit used to (I am a smoker) even though ive cut down alot, and id say i have a Athletic build from playing soccer for 11 years.

Im ready to do this, i Need the confidence and motivation, and most importantly i need RESULTS.

1 more question though, Does Creatine have any negative effects when being stacked with anabolics??? cuz im also a dailey doser of that aswell
 
Bro, you are not even remotely in the correct place to start using AAS. AAS are not made so you can look like a cover of mens health and fitness, you can do that with diet and exercise , fuck 155lbs bro you shouldn't waste money on juice buy LOTS of food. You are motivated, that's where you start man, now take that motivation - and really apply it - 6-8 meals a day / solid lifting schedule (I can help u with workout charts / diet if you want) - trust me man you are not in a place where steroids are the answer. Creatine is good to go bro.
 
What is your diet, food intake, look like? What is your training and sleep habits look like?


Remember anabolics are minority of the solution!

And, Theartofwar is corret.

Answer the questions and perhaps we can help you get to where you want. :)
 
(brown bread, green Vegetables, Pasta, potatoes, chicken, and beef, milk)
is my main diet, for the last 2 months.
i sleep anywhere from 8 - 12 hours a night
I work in a kitchen mainly nights,
and i just got a membership at a new 24/7 gym
but prior to my gym membership i was working out at a friends house after recovering from a 8 month opiate addiction
bench P always first, shoulder press, arm curls, reverse arm curls, Uhhh (i look at my workouts off a book that lists a few different sets of workouts)
I do push ups every day i wake till i feel sore
then start doing crunches (yeah trivial but it helps me keep motivated)
I Eat breakfast, then i eat again before i go to work usually and then once more after work
My 2 days off a week are the days i get to eat the most. But even at work im still pushing myself (carrying more than i should/whats safe) doing alot of heavy lifting because i feel like it helps.

the reason im interested in taking steroids is because i see some of my friends take them with intense results, and they are even doing drugs and still seem to be staying big.

My one friend who is getting them from me has a hardcore opiate addiction and yet he still juices up and gets big. hes on 90 mls of methadone a day + 160 mgs of oxies, yet when i opiate binge i lose weight faster than chris brown lost rihanna.

Point being, I dont wanna be a body builder, or jacked up meat head (not trying to offend anyone)

I just really want these big summer gains, 30lbs is all im asking and i would be happy with myself. Im even trying to be responsible about this as in, proper eating, no substances, dailey exercise routine. I want to achieve what would probably take around 6 months in about 2-3 months.
Im also very interested in the Motivation and aggression that comes with anabolic's as well, it would be something i would really benefit from.
 
The point everyone is trying to make is that steroids are the next step after training natural. You need a base before you proceed. Using steroids to make you look like you workout is a waste of steroids (depending on how you look at it) because that could easily be obtained without them. Steroids are for people who want to look like jacked up meat heads.
 
(brown bread, green Vegetables, Pasta, potatoes, chicken, and beef, milk)
is my main diet, for the last 2 months.
i sleep anywhere from 8 - 12 hours a night
I work in a kitchen mainly nights,
and i just got a membership at a new 24/7 gym
but prior to my gym membership i was working out at a friends house after recovering from a 8 month opiate addictionbench P always first, shoulder press, arm curls, reverse arm curls, Uhhh (i look at my workouts off a book that lists a few different sets of workouts)
I do push ups every day i wake till i feel sore
then start doing crunches (yeah trivial but it helps me keep motivated)
I Eat breakfast, then i eat again before i go to work usually and then once more after work
My 2 days off a week are the days i get to eat the most. But even at work im still pushing myself (carrying more than i should/whats safe) doing alot of heavy lifting because i feel like it helps.

the reason im interested in taking steroids is because i see some of my friends take them with intense results, and they are even doing drugs and still seem to be staying big.
My one friend who is getting them from me has a hardcore opiate addiction and yet he still juices up and gets big. hes on 90 mls of methadone a day + 160 mgs of oxies, yet when i opiate binge i lose weight faster than chris brown lost rihanna.

Point being, I dont wanna be a body builder, or jacked up meat head (not trying to offend anyone)

I just really want these big summer gains, 30lbs is all im asking and i would be happy with myself. Im even trying to be responsible about this as in, proper eating, no substances, dailey exercise routine. I want to achieve what would probably take around 6 months in about 2-3 months.
Im also very interested in the Motivation and aggression that comes with anabolic's as well, it would be something i would really benefit from.

Man, a lot of that stand out to me. I can relate to many of the points.

Many of the guys that I meet in many different forums are recovering from one substance and eventually turned to anabolics.

I think you can do very well with anabolics. You can make some great gains.

BUT, you gotta work on that base. Give it a little more time and keep with the basics see where the chips fall.

Also there are other factors here, you have an additive side, there is peer pressure, and of course a need for fast results...

Can you realistically stick to the basics for 6 more months?
 
Ok yeah i understand i need that base, Before i get more serious.

My biggest issue i have has always been my weight, My Mom was tall and skinny and soo is my Father.

so naturally, im meant to be this way. I Guess i think Steroids are just a way to kick my genetics in the face, and get to be in the body i want to be in.

Im going to Try a workout routine my uncle learned in Prison.
He said basically put on a weight i can barely only do 4 reps with and then do 2 sets of 4 reps a day then a 1 day break, and i can get huge pretty naturally.

If i can gain atleast 10 lbs then i know i might be on the right track, but if my body still doesnt wanna give, im gunna have to take the anabolic route.

I have Whey Protein but i just cant bring myself to drink the awfully tasting powder, i spoils everything i put in it (even an otherwise awsome tasting fruit smoothie) Is i went to the herbal store and got some gell caps, and put them in caps it would be a better route of ingestion for me.

Anything other than whey, Creatine, eating lots of food, and training that can get my weight rising???

(I have literally not been able to get over 160 lbs since i was 18 )
 
Ok yeah i understand i need that base, Before i get more serious.

My biggest issue i have has always been my weight, My Mom was tall and skinny and soo is my Father.

so naturally, im meant to be this way. I Guess i think Steroids are just a way to kick my genetics in the face, and get to be in the body i want to be in.

Im going to Try a workout routine my uncle learned in Prison.
He said basically put on a weight i can barely only do 4 reps with and then do 2 sets of 4 reps a day then a 1 day break, and i can get huge pretty naturally.

If i can gain atleast 10 lbs then i know i might be on the right track, but if my body still doesnt wanna give, im gunna have to take the anabolic route.
I have Whey Protein but i just cant bring myself to drink the awfully tasting powder, i spoils everything i put in it (even an otherwise awsome tasting fruit smoothie) Is i went to the herbal store and got some gell caps, and put them in caps it would be a better route of ingestion for me.

Anything other than whey, Creatine, eating lots of food, and training that can get my weight rising???

(I have literally not been able to get over 160 lbs since i was 18 )

I think you should go the anabolic routh. But, not right off the bat. AAS are 25% (if that) of the solution.

Eating, sleeping, lifting, always comes first. Anabolics after the basics.

So go back to the diet.

Age 23
Weight 155 lbs
Height 6'2



You need to eat as if you were 200 pounds to get to 200 pounds. Break down the grams of fat, protien, and carbs you think you are taking in right now then i will adjust it, to where it needs to be, breat it down first though...
 
Age 23
Weight 155 lbs
Height 6'2
Bf% unknown (but if id have to guess it'd be around 5% very low)
Lifting/working out periodically for about 2 years (i fell into a few drug addicted holes throughout that time period)

Ive allways had issues with weight and gaining, ive been told by my Dr. "High Metabolism" but that still doesnt satisfy me.

Im alot healthier now, I eat anywhere from 2 - 5 times a day (brown bread, green Vegetables, Pasta, potatoes, chicken, and beef) is my main diet.

My goal is to gain 30lbs throughout the summer, and get up to 180-190 or soo.

My genetics code keeps me at my weight no'matter how much i tweak my deit or exercise alone.

My cardio isnt as great a sit used to (I am a smoker) even though ive cut down alot, and id say i have a Athletic build from playing soccer for 11 years.

Im ready to do this, i Need the confidence and motivation, and most importantly i need RESULTS.

1 more question though, Does Creatine have any negative effects when being stacked with anabolics??? cuz im also a dailey doser of that aswell
Jesus Christ. You don't need fucking steroids.

/thread.

what are the best anabolics in terms of low side effects and big - medium gains???

There are none.
 
Age 23
Weight 155 lbs
Height 6'2
Bf% unknown (but if id have to guess it'd be around 5% very low)
Lifting/working out periodically for about 2 years (i fell into a few drug addicted holes throughout that time period)

Ive allways had issues with weight and gaining, ive been told by my Dr. "High Metabolism" but that still doesnt satisfy me.

Im alot healthier now, I eat anywhere from 2 - 5 times a day (brown bread, green Vegetables, Pasta, potatoes, chicken, and beef) is my main diet.

My goal is to gain 30lbs throughout the summer, and get up to 180-190 or soo.

My genetics code keeps me at my weight no'matter how much i tweak my deit or exercise alone.

My cardio isnt as great a sit used to (I am a smoker) even though ive cut down alot, and id say i have a Athletic build from playing soccer for 11 years.

Im ready to do this, i Need the confidence and motivation, and most importantly i need RESULTS.

1 more question though, Does Creatine have any negative effects when being stacked with anabolics??? cuz im also a dailey doser of that aswell


Great candidate for the "Gallon of Milk a Day" regiment to put on weight.
 
Jesus Christ. You don't need fucking steroids.
Care to elaborate on why not??? Because if gaining weight naturally isnt working... why would the unnatural route be unnecessary???
True or False, Steroids increase appetite???
True or False, Steroids can help pack on about 5 lbs a week minimum???
True or False, Steroids give you extra aggression that can further help better the gym workout experience???
True or False, Steroids can help you obtain the body genetics couldnt??

Please give me a reason why this wouldn't be beneficial to someone as slim as me?
 
Don't bring bullshit like this in, these people are trying to help, even offering a workout plan and a diet plan, and you're being blatantly obnoxious.
You don't need steroid because you're a skinny kid that hasn't done enough weight training to even contemplate taking steroids.
If you want to do it to increase your appetite you're extremely stupid as there are safer ways to do this in a more effective manner.
If you're going to do them for aggression I'd say you're gonna get your head kicked in when you lash out at the wrong person. If you want the aggression solely to help out in the gym, ignoring the fact that aggression stays with you when you leave the gym, take some fucking stimulants or a low dose of a dissociative.
Get the fuck out of here with genetics. Someone can be skinny, fat, weak, and strong, all with the same body/build. It might be a bit harder for you to put on weight, but you're acting as if it's impossible. It's simple. If you take in more energy than you put out, you'll gain weight. If you take in less energy than you put out, you'll lose weight.
You want to do them for the wrong reasons. You can put on weight and gain muscles fine on your own.
 
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Care to elaborate on why not??? Because if gaining weight naturally isnt working... why would the unnatural route be unnecessary???
True or False, Steroids increase appetite??? Not if you eat like a pussy to begin with, which you are doing exactly.
True or False, Steroids can help pack on about 5 lbs a week minimum???You're an idiot if you think even half of that is muscle weight.
True or False, Steroids give you extra aggression that can further help better the gym workout experience???Again, extra "aggression" won't matter if your routine sucks ass.
True or False, Steroids can help you obtain the body genetics couldnt??Your genetic potential is far from maximized.

Please give me a reason why this wouldn't be beneficial to someone as slim as me?

If gaining naturally isn't working you're either eating like a bitch or training like a pussy. I'm going to go with both.

It's blatantly obvious you don't need steroids. You need a diet tweaking a serious routine. Pretty much what Josh and art of war said, steroids aren't for kids who want a ripped summer body and want to impress some girls who are shit-ass ugly anyway. Steroids are for the people who DO want to look like meatheads, mutants, bodybuilders, and all around strong fucking men. You're wasting your time, money, and health by trying to get to a brad pitt physique.

Go ahead, hop on dbol and then end up worse than when you started off, only to proudly announce that your 12 year old flat chested body isn't even natural. It's not a quick fix. You have no idea what you're doing and probably won't for another few years. AAS knowledge is something that's acquired after TONS of research. You can't just ask someone to give you the basic breakdown.

Drink a gallon of milk a day and go heavy on the carbs. Steroids are nothing like you think they are. You're are going to get your ass kicked if you take anything. The genetic argument is a perfect example of justifying laziness.

Your game plan: Eat more, lift heavier, don't do opiates and alcohol like a little pussy to run away from life. I have no respect for any of those people. Once you get north of a lean 220 and know what you're doing, we can talk about gear; and believe me, you can get there naturally. Oh, and another thing, there is no such thing as a mass gaining roid with low sides.

The questions in your 1st post are a perfect example of why putting a roid forum on BL is a bad idea. "Well, what will [ ] do to my cycle?" "Can I take [ ] and still make gains?" "I was addicted to [ ] and want to take roids" "[ ] mitigated the side effects of Test." "I lift everyday and still take [ ]". "I did cardio while tweaked on coke".
It's just fucking stupid. You just don't find this sort of shit on T-Nation and elitefitness. I'm not directing this to you in particular, it really isn't your fault. Making this forum so convenient just encourages people to fuck around and waste cycles. Steroids are not recreational drugs. If you're serious about training, you shouldn't be taking SHIT, especially if you're on cycle.
 
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Don't bring bullshit like this in, these people are trying to help, even offering a workout plan and a diet plan, and you're being blatantly obnoxious.
You don't need steroid because you're a skinny kid that hasn't done enough weight training to even contemplate taking steroids.
If you want to do it to increase your appetite you're extremely stupid as there are safer ways to do this in a more effective manner.
If you're going to do them for aggression I'd say you're gonna get your head kicked in when you lash out at the wrong person. If you want the aggression solely to help out in the gym, ignoring the fact that aggression stays with you when you leave the gym, take some fucking stimulants or a low dose of a dissociative.
Get the fuck out of here with genetics. Someone can be skinny, fat, weak, and strong, all with the same body/build. It might be a bit harder for you to put on weight, but you're acting as if it's impossible. It's simple. If you take in more energy than you put out, you'll gain weight. If you take in less energy than you put out, you'll lose weight.
You want to do them for the wrong reasons. You can put on weight and gain muscles fine on your own.
Ok soo explain to me then how many calories one like me should take in daily to gain significant gains???
I thought steroids are a way to cheat yourself big ( it seems the case from what i see out on the streets)
And seriously stimulants?????? Uhhhh no thanks
Aggression can be taken out in many "forums" (play on words)
Because i can just come to a forum like bluelight and tweak out all my aggression that way, like yourself am i right???
But your also forgetting about financial budgeting, i mean eating 5 times a day can be pretty costly, especially the way i eat (i eat untill im full)
I have all the tools infront of me, and yeah im going to probably hold off on using them for a few months, untill i feel totaly fit to use them.
But telling someone, who is determined to do something, not to do it isnt very productive at all either?? why not go to every other forum on this website and tell every Junkie, Coke Head, E-Tard, and Stoner not to do drugs because they are bad and not beneficial for your health hmmm??
I understand i need to get my calories in order, but seriously, give me rough daily intake to work from instead of telling me to just eat more, lol like fuck you think I dont know what eating more is??? Eating more means i need to put more $ into my diet, and im not a rich white boy who grew up in the suburbs that can raid mommy and daddys fridge, like most of you.
I appreciate the constructive criticizm but cant you please be a lil more uhh well.......Constructive???
 
Ok soo explain to me then how many calories one like me should take in daily to gain significant gains???
I thought steroids are a way to cheat yourself big ( it seems the case from what i see out on the streets)
And seriously stimulants?????? Uhhhh no thanks
Aggression can be taken out in many "forums" (play on words)
Because i can just come to a forum like bluelight and tweak out all my aggression that way, like yourself am i right???
But your also forgetting about financial budgeting, i mean eating 5 times a day can be pretty costly, especially the way i eat (i eat untill im full)
I have all the tools infront of me, and yeah im going to probably hold off on using them for a few months, untill i feel totaly fit to use them.
But telling someone, who is determined to do something, not to do it isnt very productive at all either?? why not go to every other forum on this website and tell every Junkie, Coke Head, E-Tard, and Stoner not to do drugs because they are bad and not beneficial for your health hmmm??
I understand i need to get my calories in order, but seriously, give me rough daily intake to work from instead of telling me to just eat more, lol like fuck you think I dont know what eating more is??? Eating more means i need to put more $ into my diet, and im not a rich white boy who grew up in the suburbs that can raid mommy and daddys fridge, like most of you.
I appreciate the constructive criticizm but cant you please be a lil more uhh well.......Constructive???
First off, put your sentences in paragraphs. You may not be a rich white boy in the suburbs, but I'm sure you understand the English language.

Now that we have that out of the way, shoot for 3 grand per day. If that doesn't work, do 4. Don't worry about nutrients or macros. Just fucking eat.

Steroids are a way to cheat yourself big if you're a faggot. For the rest of us, steroids provide what genetics can't, while keeping diet, training, and rest near 100% flawless.

If you have inadequate funds for eating like a man, start working more and quit spending your money on drugs and cigarettes. Simple. If you can't do that, you don't deserve gains. Feel free to stay an inferior human being while I look down upon you.

Here's where you are wrong. As I've said before, steroids are not recreational drugs. "Harm reduction" doesn't work here. When you take steroids, you need to undergo a complete lifestyle change. I can tell just by your sentence structure that you are far from ready. I'm saying this because your determination is blind. It has no real rhyme or reason. It's a lot different than someone asking how much blow to snort for their first time. This isn't something you can do just once and sleep off later.

You want to take steroids, go ahead. Don't come crying to me when you lose all of your gains, have to be on HRT for life, and can't afford gyno surgery. We're only looking out for you, pal. This isn't the pussy OD forum. We're not going to look out for your well being. If you're gonna be arrogant and over-zealous, you can get fucked. The only person to blame is going to be you. The only reason I'm posting this is so that you don't give responsible steroid users a bad name.

You're dumb if you think I'm trying to stop you. I'm only letting you know that you're going to mess yourself up and waste money if you go this route at your Holocaust victim size. I just don't get what the boost is for. 0 times 0 is still zero. If you're weak without steroids, you're still going to be weak, if not weaker from the whole principle that even people who train natty are stronger and bigger than you. Even if you gain 20lb from this cycle (which I STRONGLY doubt since you have no idea what the fuck you're doing)
you will still be small. You'd still be small if you did another cycle and another and another. Simply put, your tone is one of ignorant determination. You don't understand what kind of drug Dianabol is and what it can do to you. It's a MUCH bigger deal than an oxycontin tablet. These aren't opiates. The pleasure doesn't get handed to you and given whenever you want it. You want satisfaction, you need to put work in yourself.

Think this shit through and stop being a retard. Look, I hate to generalize and possibly offend anyone else, this is bluelight after all, but you being a drug user, you're probably always think you should do whatever you want without any repercussions. That you shouldn't have to pay any price for the damage you're doing, but it doesn't work this way in the steroid world. Make your decision, but when your endocrine system starts shutting down and I see you making another thread next month about it, all I'm gonna do is laugh.
 
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Look, I hate to generalize and possibly offend anyone else, this is bluelight after all, but you being a drug user, you're probably always think you should do whatever you want without any repercussions. That you shouldn't have to pay any price for the damage you're doing, but it doesn't work this way in the steroid world.
Correction, i come here for a last opinion before i decided to Indulge in any substance, to get an last minute understanding. if i did whatever i want without any repercussions as you say, I probably wouldnt of found this website 8 years ago.

Thanks for the rough calorie intakes though, time to go shopping.
 
Correction, i come here for a last opinion before i decided to Indulge in any substance, to get an last minute understanding. if i did whatever i want without any repercussions as you say, I probably wouldnt of found this website 8 years ago.

Thanks for the rough calorie intakes though, time to go shopping.

That's just it though. You don't "indulge" in steroids.

The side effects you get from a cycle made by an uneducated person make opiate WD look like baby shit. Take certain roids, and that's exactly what you'll feel like. Anadrol comes to mind.

Nothing I or anyone else says will help you. You can't harm reduce steroids in a simple manner. If I sat here and typed up everything you need to do to make this work, it would require DAYS. Have you even got your PCT lined up yet? Do you even know what PCT is? How about your doctor, is he willing to run screenings post-cycle? You don't know what you're doing. That's exactly why this shit is a bad idea. Learn to eat and lift. You will make gains.

Go to the store and buy as much as you possibly can of:
-Chicken breast
-Oatmeal
-Brown Rice
-Sauerkraut
-Bananas
-Peanut Butter
-Milk
-Tuna cans
 
Don't go too crazy with the tuna, it can have a lot of mercury.



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And please watch the slurs, voxide.
 
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