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Opiate addicts - do you consider your addiction the 'true' addiction?

footscrazy, if you want a real addiction, they come no more real than full blown benzo addiction. end of story.

It's just not that protracted, but it is extremely physically and mentally painful, still i'd say heroin is more of a 'true' addiction.

I wont say im addicted to heroin, but i enjoy a bit from time to time a long with other opiates as you know, lately ive actually been doing more amphetamines than anything else, as well as some benzos to a degree.

Heroin is like just the icing on the cake for most situations, its a good relaxer.
 
I agree with Ibis. Not from personal experience, but education I'd say benzo's would be the biggest monkey to kick.

GABA is probably the biggest double edge sword as far as neurotransmitters go.

Opiates I have far more respect for in terms of addiction than stimulants like meth.

Amphetamines are only additctive because of how easy it is to turn them into a lifestyle and keep up appearances as if nothings going on. Even more efficient then before sometimes.

I've a rich history with stimulant use and abuse, yet never struggled to give it up when I have to. Its all about self control and knowing you dont NEED it to get by. If you can tell yourself that then everything is sweet, if you cant... then theres an issue.

Opiates and benzo's, phsyical addictions and all. You know it just aint possible to go to work without the hit, nothing to do with motivation - just physical inability without it.

Stims addictions are real addictions no doubt, but its all a mental game of cat and mouse not something you truely cant live without.

So in that respect I rate opiate (phsyical) addictions as far more "real/serious" then Meth/stims addictions having arguably been on both ends of things myself at one time or another.
 
I don't want to create the misconception I'm actually trying to rate stim addiction worse than any other, or rate addictions at all. I know that for every individual, there are some substances that are worse to be addicted to than others. What I'm trying to get across, is that not everyone experiences every addiction the same way, a misconception that seems to be common in this thread. I will never sit here and say, my meth addiction is worse than your smack addiction. Because how do I know? This is my personal experience only. What I do object to, is people saying, 100%, no questions asked, this addiction is worse than that.

As an example, (and I mean you no disrespect L3inad whatsover, yours is just the closest post for me to copy and reply to)

L3inad said:
Amphetamines are only additctive because of how easy it is to turn them into a lifestyle and keep up appearances as if nothings going on. Even more efficient then before sometimes.

I've a rich history with stimulant use and abuse, yet never struggled to give it up when I have to. Its all about self control and knowing you dont NEED it to get by. If you can tell yourself that then everything is sweet, if you cant... then theres an issue.

Opiates and benzo's, phsyical addictions and all. You know it just aint possible to go to work without the hit, nothing to do with motivation - just physical inability without it.
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This post highlights exactly how someone who hasn't been there, can't understand the addiction. You say you've never struggled to give it up - that in itself sets you apart from addicts. Some may argue that this is due to fortitude of mind or other such things, but I believe it's more due to the quirks of human neurology I described before. Is it so hard to believe that just because you didn't struggle to give it up, this isn't a universal characteristic, and that some people do?

As for the addiction being simply a lack of motivation, I could provide a personal example of being addicted to daily, high quality meth use - when I got up in the morning, I was barely physically able to walk to the cupboard and find some high calorie food then collapse on the couch. How do you differentiate this from being physically unable to work due to dope sickness? The severity may be different, but to equate one as being a real, psysical debilitation and the other just a problem of psychological need is incorrect, ime.
 
footscrazy said:
I don't want to create the misconception I'm actually trying to rate stim addiction worse than any other, or rate addictions at all. I know that for every individual, there are some substances that are worse to be addicted to than others. What I'm trying to get across, is that not everyone experiences every addiction the same way, a misconception that seems to be common in this thread. I will never sit here and say, my meth addiction is worse than your smack addiction. Because how do I know? This is my personal experience only. What I do object to, is people saying, 100%, no questions asked, this addiction is worse than that.
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Well the idea of this thread was to hear opinions was it not? Not everyone is addicted to either stims or opiates, does that make their opinions irrelevant? Its all subjective ;) Everyone is different and feels the pull towards using different substances at varying degrees to others.


As an example, (and I mean you no disrespect L3inad whatsover, yours is just the closest post for me to copy and reply to)
This post highlights exactly how someone who hasn't been there, can't understand the addiction. You say you've never struggled to give it up - that in itself sets you apart from addicts. Some may argue that this is due to fortitude of mind or other such things, but I believe it's more due to the quirks of human neurology I described before. Is it so hard to believe that just because you didn't struggle to give it up, this isn't a universal characteristic, and that some people do?
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All good on the respect front :) But no, its not hard to believe at all. In fact its hard to think of it any other way really.

I've been close enough to know what you've gone through, to some extent anyway. But I'm not gunna start addiction dicksizing for the purpose of adding weight to my argument.

When you say that you believe its due to neurology and not fortitude of mind, have you stopped to think about how one influences the other? Everyone's brain chemistry is different, and this neurological make up is what gives us our personal qualities such as strong will power. (ie, fortitude of mind)

So I'm not at all saying your wrong, I'm saying that it is indeed ALL about fortitude of mind, to say its not is completely wrong. However it is indeed our neurological make up that accounts for our will power and what not. So in a sense were both right. But different people will always have more of a taste to different substances. Some may even have enough will power to resist them all?

Addiction really is an interesting part of human nature.

As for the addiction being simply a lack of motivation, I could provide a personal example of being addicted to daily, high quality meth use - when I got up in the morning, I was barely physically able to walk to the cupboard and find some high calorie food then collapse on the couch. How do you differentiate this from being physically unable to work due to dope sickness? The severity may be different, but to equate one as being a real, psysical debilitation and the other just a problem of psychological need is incorrect, ime.
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Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't really stopped to think that people actually abuse to a level where dopamine/noradrenaline/ect activity is so down regulated that it surpasses mental aptitude and become a physical inhibition.

However with the exception of your level of usage. Yeah I still think its generally more to do with motivation, which is still a result from neurological changes due to stims abuse.

Can look at it from a few different angles though, none are completely wrong or right. I don't think its possible to give a blanket definition for addictions, its all so dependant on the users and substances.
 
I assume a meth addict still enjoys their meth highs, I assume a heroin addict still enjoys theirs, atleast to some degree. I've never been addicted to either though have been to dex-amp (though no longer). Great relief is probably had when meth or H is used during withdrawal.

But for someone with a benzo dependancy/addiction this is not the case, you are only still using them because of the horrific withdrawals they eventually cause if ceased. You are in a permanent state of withdrawal because even while on them withdrawal occurs and you can be guarenteed there will be no escape from it at any stage. This is why many benzo addicts including myself begin using other downers (especially alcohol) in a desperate bid to find some level of relief. It is the most fucked up affliction I have ever experienced and I hold a deep amount of resentment towards the doctors/shrinks who casually prescribe this poison.

After off and on use for close to 5 years which escalated dramatically last year to the point I was convinced I was going to die, I began tapering for the 3rd or 4th time at the start of this year and today I am 9 days free of any benzos. I didn't sleep for a week and I mean 0 hours of sleep, shook violently for 8 days and entered a benzo withdrawal psychosis which has now passed. Some milder symptoms remain the worst being the depersonalisation/derealisation, cognitive fog, anxiety, depression and a fucked up filter for sensory input (I often feel like I'm tripping and no I don't have a psychotic illness - just benzo w/d). And daily fear of how long I will remain like this after reading stories of people 2 years+ off and still suffering.

It's not all gloom though, I'm feeling so so so much better compared to where I was, I can sleep/eat, am beginning to get more physically fit/healthy and no longer use any drugs/meds of any kind.

I'm not saying benzo dependancy is the worse than any other dependancy as I know everyone is different, just giving my experience.
 
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