speedygonzales
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does any body know much about road side drug testing, how likely is it to be tested. how long after you smoke weed can you drive. is there anyway to fool the test?
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88brenno
Greenlighter
No personal experience, but a workmate said ~1 hour after smoking he got tested and came up negative... Take it with a grain of salt though, I dont know what the quality of the herbs or how much he smoked.
YMMV
Azron
Bluelighter
very subjective. Fool the testers by not being a fool
Divine Moments
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It's US-based, but Erowid has some info:
BL won't give you info on how to "fool the test", sorry...
BL won't give you info on how to "fool the test", sorry...
FunkyMan..
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This is what I found on the RTA website a while back 
"Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) will be able to be detected for several hours after use of cannabis, though the exact time will vary, for example depending on the amount and potency of the cannabis used."
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/drugdrivingfaqs.html
Illegal drugs
Prescription drugs
Roadside drug testing
Drugs and driving FAQs
Frequently asked questions
1. Who will be required to submit to a roadside drug test?
Any driver, motorcycle rider or supervising licence holder on a NSW road or road related area maybe required to undertake one or more oral fluid tests for the presence of the three illicit drugs.
Vehicle passengers other than supervisors of learner licence holders will not be required to undertake an oral fluid test.
Specific NSW Police operations will target heavy vehicle drivers.
Police will also target roads around venues used for ‘rave’ and dance parties, suspected by Police to be linked to drug driving.
2. What drugs will be detected by roadside drug testing and why have these drugs been chosen?
Roadside drug testing will detect the following three illicit drugs:
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis.
Methylamphetamine (‘ice’, ‘speed’, ‘crystal meth’ ‘base’ etc).
Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA or ‘ecstasy’).
These three drugs are known to be among the most prevalent illicit drugs used by drivers.
A recent RTA study of drug driving in NSW revealed that of those who reported driving on drugs, the most common drug was cannabis at 81 per cent followed by ecstasy at 13 per cent and speed at 10 per cent.
Driving after using cannabis results in longer reaction times, alters distance and time perception, lowers concentration, coordination, alertness and ability to react, and narrows or blurs vision.
Driving after using stimulants such as ecstasy and speed/ice increases risk taking and aggressive driving, causes loss of concentration, and causes blurry or limited vision.
3. How long after using cannabis can delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) be detected?
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of cannabis by detecting delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in cannabis.
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) will be able to be detected for several hours after use of cannabis, though the exact time will vary, for example depending on the amount and potency of the cannabis used.
4. How long after consuming ecstasy or methylamphetamine (speed, ice etc) can these drugs be detected?
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of speed, ice and ecstasy. In some cases these drugs may be detected by roadside drug screening technology for up to 48 hours after use, though the exact time will vary depending for example on the amount taken, the potency of the drug (ie ice has a much higher potency than speed) and how the drugs have been taken.
5. Will delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) from passive smoking be detected in oral fluid?
No. There is no evidence to suggest that any THC in the oral fluid as a result of passive smoking will be able to be detected by the oral fluid testing technology.
6. How will roadside drug testing work?
Police will conduct a preliminary oral fluid test through the window of your vehicle.
You will be required to lick the test pad of the device. A result will be known in about five minutes.
7. How long will an oral fluid test take?
A preliminary oral fluid test will take about five minutes.
If you test negative to this test you will be able to drive away.
However, if you test positive to the first test you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide an oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
In the Police truck you will provide a sample of your oral fluid, which will be tested using a different oral fluid screening device. This second test should take about 20 minutes.
If you test positive to this test you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police, and the remaining portion of your oral fluid sample from this test will be sent to the State’s analytical laboratory, the Division of Analytical Laboratories for confirmatory analysis.
8. Will I be required to leave my vehicle to undertake an oral fluid test?
No, not for the preliminary oral fluid test. Police will conduct this first test through the window of your car.
However, if you test positive you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide a second oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
9. What will happen to a driver who tests positive to the roadside drug test?
If you test positive to the preliminary oral fluid test you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide a second oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
In the Police support vehicle you will provide a sample of your oral fluid, which will be tested using a different oral fluid screening device. This second test should take about 20 minutes.
If you test positive to this test you will not be charged at this time, however, you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police. The remaining portion of your second oral fluid test will be sent to a laboratory for confirmatory analysis.
If the presence of one or more of these three drugs is confirmed by the laboratory, you will receive a Court Attendance Notice within a few weeks of your roadside drug test with the charge of driving with the presence of an illicit drug.
10. Will drivers who return positive result to a roadside drug test be allowed to drive before laboratory analysis of the test is complete?
If you test positive to this test you will not be charged at this time, however, you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police.
After this 24 hour period you can resume driving.
11. For drivers who return positive results to roadside drug test, when and how will they receive results from laboratory analyses?
If the presence of one or more of an illicit drug is confirmed by the laboratory, you will receive a Court Attendance Notice within a few weeks of your roadside drug test with the charge of driving with the presence of an illicit drug.
The Court Attendance Notice will include the details of the charge as well as the time, date and location of their court attendance.
You will have to attend court, which will be local to the location of the offence, to face the charge of drive with the presence of an illicit drug.
12. Will medications be detected by roadside drug tests?
The oral fluid test will not detect the presence of prescription drugs including medicines with amphetamine–like substances or common over the counter medications, such as cold and flu tablets.
Oral fluid tests will only detect delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) the active component in cannabis, methylamphetamine (speed, ice, crystal meth, base) and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA) ecstasy - substances that are not legally prescribed in Australia.
13. Why is oral fluid tested rather than blood or urine?
Collecting oral fluid from drivers at the roadside is much easier than collecting a blood or urine sample.
Oral fluid testing devices are a non-invasive, rapid and reliable way to screen for drugs at the roadside.
14. How accurate is the oral fluid drug screening technology?
The oral fluid test is a screening test only. Oral fluid drug screening technology provides a reliable indicative result in a matter of minutes, making it ideal for use as a roadside screening device but not for an evidentiary result to be used at court.
Those who are screened as being drug positive will be required to provide a further additional oral fluid sample for further testing.
Only a positive drug result from the Government’s analytical laboratory can be used to prosecute for a drug driving offence.
15. What are the penalties if the laboratory confirms the presence of one or more of the three illicit drugs in your oral fluid sample?
The penalty for a first offence is a maximum $1,100 fine and three (minimum) to six months (maximum) licence disqualification.
The penalty for a second or subsequent offence is a maximum $2,200 fine and licence disqualification for minimum six months up to an unlimited period.
16. What happens if a driver refuses to be tested?
If a person refuses to be tested at the roadside they can be fined $1,100. They will also have to accompany a Police officer to the Police truck where they will have to provide a sample of their oral fluid.
If they refuse to provide an oral fluid sample a maximum fine of $3,300 applies, plus licence disqualification for a minimum of six months up to an unlimited period.
A driver who refuses to be tested can also be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police.
17. What happens if I am unable to provide an oral fluid sample?
A person who has genuinely attempted but is unable to provide a sample of their oral fluid will be required by Police to provide a sample of blood in lieu of an oral fluid sample.
The person will be taken by Police to a hospital to have the blood sample taken. The state’s analytical laboratory will analyse the sample for the presence of any drug.
If they refuse to provide a blood sample then a maximum $3,300 fine applies.
18. Don’t stimulants such as methylamphetamine (speed, ice, crystal meth, base) make you a more alert driver?
While methylamphetamine, in its various forms, can increase your alertness they can also cause you to:
Take more risks.
Drive aggressively.
Believe you drive better than you really can.
Be overstimulated and lose concentration.
Have blurry or limited vision.
See things on the road that aren’t where you think they are.
Have scattered thoughts or delusions.
Driving when you’re coming down is also very dangerous. When the effects of stimulants are wearing off your driving is still affected. You may fall asleep at the wheel.
19. Will oral fluid samples be destroyed when the evidentiary drug analysis is complete?
No, the remaining proportion will be stored at the laboratory for six months.
This is so a person can apply for a portion of their own sample to be independently analysed by another laboratory at their own expense.
20. What about other illicit drugs?
Drivers found to be impaired by any illicit drug can currently be prosecuted under existing Police powers for the drive under the influence offence.
There is also a new offence of drive with the presence of cocaine or morphine (heroin) in blood or urine; however drivers will not be randomly tested for these drugs using a roadside drug test.
21. Can drivers be charged with both drug and alcohol offences?
Yes. It will be possible for a person to be prosecuted for a prescribed concentration of alcohol offence as well as an offence of presence of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis, methylamphetamine (‘ice’, ‘speed’, ‘crystal meth’ ‘base’ etc) and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA or ‘ecstasy’).
However, if a person is prosecuted for a drive under the influence offence, they cannot also be prosecuted for a prescribed concentration of alcohol offence or presence of drugs offence.
22. If a driver tests positive to drugs will they be searched, or have their vehicles or property searched?
Police already have the power to search persons and vehicles for drugs or other items if they have reasonable grounds to suspect evidence of an offence may be found there.
In most cases, no search will occur. However, there could be evidence of drug or other offences apparent to police administering the test. In these circumstances they have the power to conduct a search.
"Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) will be able to be detected for several hours after use of cannabis, though the exact time will vary, for example depending on the amount and potency of the cannabis used."
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/drugdrivingfaqs.html
Illegal drugs
Prescription drugs
Roadside drug testing
Drugs and driving FAQs
Frequently asked questions
1. Who will be required to submit to a roadside drug test?
Any driver, motorcycle rider or supervising licence holder on a NSW road or road related area maybe required to undertake one or more oral fluid tests for the presence of the three illicit drugs.
Vehicle passengers other than supervisors of learner licence holders will not be required to undertake an oral fluid test.
Specific NSW Police operations will target heavy vehicle drivers.
Police will also target roads around venues used for ‘rave’ and dance parties, suspected by Police to be linked to drug driving.
2. What drugs will be detected by roadside drug testing and why have these drugs been chosen?
Roadside drug testing will detect the following three illicit drugs:
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis.
Methylamphetamine (‘ice’, ‘speed’, ‘crystal meth’ ‘base’ etc).
Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA or ‘ecstasy’).
These three drugs are known to be among the most prevalent illicit drugs used by drivers.
A recent RTA study of drug driving in NSW revealed that of those who reported driving on drugs, the most common drug was cannabis at 81 per cent followed by ecstasy at 13 per cent and speed at 10 per cent.
Driving after using cannabis results in longer reaction times, alters distance and time perception, lowers concentration, coordination, alertness and ability to react, and narrows or blurs vision.
Driving after using stimulants such as ecstasy and speed/ice increases risk taking and aggressive driving, causes loss of concentration, and causes blurry or limited vision.
3. How long after using cannabis can delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) be detected?
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of cannabis by detecting delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in cannabis.
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) will be able to be detected for several hours after use of cannabis, though the exact time will vary, for example depending on the amount and potency of the cannabis used.
4. How long after consuming ecstasy or methylamphetamine (speed, ice etc) can these drugs be detected?
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of speed, ice and ecstasy. In some cases these drugs may be detected by roadside drug screening technology for up to 48 hours after use, though the exact time will vary depending for example on the amount taken, the potency of the drug (ie ice has a much higher potency than speed) and how the drugs have been taken.
5. Will delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) from passive smoking be detected in oral fluid?
No. There is no evidence to suggest that any THC in the oral fluid as a result of passive smoking will be able to be detected by the oral fluid testing technology.
6. How will roadside drug testing work?
Police will conduct a preliminary oral fluid test through the window of your vehicle.
You will be required to lick the test pad of the device. A result will be known in about five minutes.
7. How long will an oral fluid test take?
A preliminary oral fluid test will take about five minutes.
If you test negative to this test you will be able to drive away.
However, if you test positive to the first test you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide an oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
In the Police truck you will provide a sample of your oral fluid, which will be tested using a different oral fluid screening device. This second test should take about 20 minutes.
If you test positive to this test you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police, and the remaining portion of your oral fluid sample from this test will be sent to the State’s analytical laboratory, the Division of Analytical Laboratories for confirmatory analysis.
8. Will I be required to leave my vehicle to undertake an oral fluid test?
No, not for the preliminary oral fluid test. Police will conduct this first test through the window of your car.
However, if you test positive you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide a second oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
9. What will happen to a driver who tests positive to the roadside drug test?
If you test positive to the preliminary oral fluid test you will have to get out of your vehicle and go with a Police officer to provide a second oral fluid sample in the Police support vehicle.
In the Police support vehicle you will provide a sample of your oral fluid, which will be tested using a different oral fluid screening device. This second test should take about 20 minutes.
If you test positive to this test you will not be charged at this time, however, you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police. The remaining portion of your second oral fluid test will be sent to a laboratory for confirmatory analysis.
If the presence of one or more of these three drugs is confirmed by the laboratory, you will receive a Court Attendance Notice within a few weeks of your roadside drug test with the charge of driving with the presence of an illicit drug.
10. Will drivers who return positive result to a roadside drug test be allowed to drive before laboratory analysis of the test is complete?
If you test positive to this test you will not be charged at this time, however, you will be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police.
After this 24 hour period you can resume driving.
11. For drivers who return positive results to roadside drug test, when and how will they receive results from laboratory analyses?
If the presence of one or more of an illicit drug is confirmed by the laboratory, you will receive a Court Attendance Notice within a few weeks of your roadside drug test with the charge of driving with the presence of an illicit drug.
The Court Attendance Notice will include the details of the charge as well as the time, date and location of their court attendance.
You will have to attend court, which will be local to the location of the offence, to face the charge of drive with the presence of an illicit drug.
12. Will medications be detected by roadside drug tests?
The oral fluid test will not detect the presence of prescription drugs including medicines with amphetamine–like substances or common over the counter medications, such as cold and flu tablets.
Oral fluid tests will only detect delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) the active component in cannabis, methylamphetamine (speed, ice, crystal meth, base) and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA) ecstasy - substances that are not legally prescribed in Australia.
13. Why is oral fluid tested rather than blood or urine?
Collecting oral fluid from drivers at the roadside is much easier than collecting a blood or urine sample.
Oral fluid testing devices are a non-invasive, rapid and reliable way to screen for drugs at the roadside.
14. How accurate is the oral fluid drug screening technology?
The oral fluid test is a screening test only. Oral fluid drug screening technology provides a reliable indicative result in a matter of minutes, making it ideal for use as a roadside screening device but not for an evidentiary result to be used at court.
Those who are screened as being drug positive will be required to provide a further additional oral fluid sample for further testing.
Only a positive drug result from the Government’s analytical laboratory can be used to prosecute for a drug driving offence.
15. What are the penalties if the laboratory confirms the presence of one or more of the three illicit drugs in your oral fluid sample?
The penalty for a first offence is a maximum $1,100 fine and three (minimum) to six months (maximum) licence disqualification.
The penalty for a second or subsequent offence is a maximum $2,200 fine and licence disqualification for minimum six months up to an unlimited period.
16. What happens if a driver refuses to be tested?
If a person refuses to be tested at the roadside they can be fined $1,100. They will also have to accompany a Police officer to the Police truck where they will have to provide a sample of their oral fluid.
If they refuse to provide an oral fluid sample a maximum fine of $3,300 applies, plus licence disqualification for a minimum of six months up to an unlimited period.
A driver who refuses to be tested can also be prohibited from driving for 24 hours by Police.
17. What happens if I am unable to provide an oral fluid sample?
A person who has genuinely attempted but is unable to provide a sample of their oral fluid will be required by Police to provide a sample of blood in lieu of an oral fluid sample.
The person will be taken by Police to a hospital to have the blood sample taken. The state’s analytical laboratory will analyse the sample for the presence of any drug.
If they refuse to provide a blood sample then a maximum $3,300 fine applies.
18. Don’t stimulants such as methylamphetamine (speed, ice, crystal meth, base) make you a more alert driver?
While methylamphetamine, in its various forms, can increase your alertness they can also cause you to:
Take more risks.
Drive aggressively.
Believe you drive better than you really can.
Be overstimulated and lose concentration.
Have blurry or limited vision.
See things on the road that aren’t where you think they are.
Have scattered thoughts or delusions.
Driving when you’re coming down is also very dangerous. When the effects of stimulants are wearing off your driving is still affected. You may fall asleep at the wheel.
19. Will oral fluid samples be destroyed when the evidentiary drug analysis is complete?
No, the remaining proportion will be stored at the laboratory for six months.
This is so a person can apply for a portion of their own sample to be independently analysed by another laboratory at their own expense.
20. What about other illicit drugs?
Drivers found to be impaired by any illicit drug can currently be prosecuted under existing Police powers for the drive under the influence offence.
There is also a new offence of drive with the presence of cocaine or morphine (heroin) in blood or urine; however drivers will not be randomly tested for these drugs using a roadside drug test.
21. Can drivers be charged with both drug and alcohol offences?
Yes. It will be possible for a person to be prosecuted for a prescribed concentration of alcohol offence as well as an offence of presence of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis, methylamphetamine (‘ice’, ‘speed’, ‘crystal meth’ ‘base’ etc) and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA or ‘ecstasy’).
However, if a person is prosecuted for a drive under the influence offence, they cannot also be prosecuted for a prescribed concentration of alcohol offence or presence of drugs offence.
22. If a driver tests positive to drugs will they be searched, or have their vehicles or property searched?
Police already have the power to search persons and vehicles for drugs or other items if they have reasonable grounds to suspect evidence of an offence may be found there.
In most cases, no search will occur. However, there could be evidence of drug or other offences apparent to police administering the test. In these circumstances they have the power to conduct a search.
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
speedy, where in Australia do you live? QLD only has a few drug testing buses still I believe, less then other states like NSW and VIC have.
You shouldn't be looking to fool the test. You shouldn't drive stoned.
What I'd like some info on is how long after you've consumed the three substances they test for you can still register a positive. I hear so many different things. While I wouldn't drive affected, I'd like to know if I'm test-safe the next day. But then again... if you're driving the next day and aren't affected, you probably aren't going to arouse enough suspicion to warrant a drug test in the first place.
Has anyone been tested purely at random? Not affected, not acting funny, etc. I believe the tests are about triple the price of a breath test (but do not have any sources to back this up!). Approx $21, up from $7. But this could all be lies!
How common are they when you get pulled over? I've been through a heap of booze bus sites in my driving life, but I've never been pulled over.
What I'd like some info on is how long after you've consumed the three substances they test for you can still register a positive. I hear so many different things. While I wouldn't drive affected, I'd like to know if I'm test-safe the next day. But then again... if you're driving the next day and aren't affected, you probably aren't going to arouse enough suspicion to warrant a drug test in the first place.
Has anyone been tested purely at random? Not affected, not acting funny, etc. I believe the tests are about triple the price of a breath test (but do not have any sources to back this up!). Approx $21, up from $7. But this could all be lies!
How common are they when you get pulled over? I've been through a heap of booze bus sites in my driving life, but I've never been pulled over.
speedygonzales
Bluelighter
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i live in brisbane
Sustanon
Bluelighter
There is no way to fool the tests. I suggest not to drive after u have used sum kind of drug.
They test for :
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis.
Methylamphetamine, also known as speed, ice, crystal meth, or base.
Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), also known as ecstasy.
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of speed, ice and ecstasy. In some cases these drugs may be detected by roadside drug screening technology for up to 48 hours after use, though the exact time will vary depending for example on the amount taken, the potency of the drug (ie ice has a much higher potency than speed) and how the drugs have been taken.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/drugdrivingfaqs.html
They test for :
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis.
Methylamphetamine, also known as speed, ice, crystal meth, or base.
Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), also known as ecstasy.
Roadside drug testing technology will detect recent usage of speed, ice and ecstasy. In some cases these drugs may be detected by roadside drug screening technology for up to 48 hours after use, though the exact time will vary depending for example on the amount taken, the potency of the drug (ie ice has a much higher potency than speed) and how the drugs have been taken.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/drugdrivingfaqs.html
grugz
Bluelighter
the whole reason they are doing this testing is to save lives, yours and other road users lives.
IMO i'd say he should recieve a infraction for asking how to break the law and not adhearing to a harm reduction purpose of this site, This site is not a 'how do i break the law and get away with it' website. I would rate this as the same as sourcing. or anyone who posts how to fool the test.
I have heard of various rumoured ways that apprantly fool testers but i wont post, because i nor Bluelight (remove if im wrong) condones driving or operating any machinery while on any illegal substance, or a legal substance which states to not operate vehicle or machinery after taking.
I understand that there might be the monday morning, after the weekend binge, youre driving to work and are sober and you may have a positive reading, but (no offense) we dont know if you are just saying that or actually wana break the law. and there will be others who see this information and use it to break the law. You might want to end your weekend binge earlier to avoid this.
As for how likely you are to be tested, i havent been tested ever, but i assume if you get pulled over for a random breath test or weird driving, and give signs you are on something (police are trained to identify signs of someone on gear) then they will test you. They most likely wont just pull you over for a drug test as it does take time, and if there is a positive reading, a 2nd test will take up to 20mins
IMO i'd say he should recieve a infraction for asking how to break the law and not adhearing to a harm reduction purpose of this site, This site is not a 'how do i break the law and get away with it' website. I would rate this as the same as sourcing. or anyone who posts how to fool the test.
I have heard of various rumoured ways that apprantly fool testers but i wont post, because i nor Bluelight (remove if im wrong) condones driving or operating any machinery while on any illegal substance, or a legal substance which states to not operate vehicle or machinery after taking.
I understand that there might be the monday morning, after the weekend binge, youre driving to work and are sober and you may have a positive reading, but (no offense) we dont know if you are just saying that or actually wana break the law. and there will be others who see this information and use it to break the law. You might want to end your weekend binge earlier to avoid this.
As for how likely you are to be tested, i havent been tested ever, but i assume if you get pulled over for a random breath test or weird driving, and give signs you are on something (police are trained to identify signs of someone on gear) then they will test you. They most likely wont just pull you over for a drug test as it does take time, and if there is a positive reading, a 2nd test will take up to 20mins
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peterpellet
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in south Australia, if you get done with meth in your system, its just a fine!
or at least thats what my police officer friend told me
or at least thats what my police officer friend told me
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
grugz has a point; asking how to fool the tests is not harm reduction related. So far though it seems there is no way to fool them.
As for when you can drive... who knows. There are people who have tested positive long after using, and those who tested negative a short time after use. They seem to be very unreliable.
The best advice is not to drive when you are intoxicated at all.
As for when you can drive... who knows. There are people who have tested positive long after using, and those who tested negative a short time after use. They seem to be very unreliable.
The best advice is not to drive when you are intoxicated at all.
saboteur
Greenlighter
So the random drug tests don't detect cocaine ay =) didn't know that.
Not that the majority of people purposely drive intoxicated. Being intoxicated and having traces of something in your system should be treated differently. If only they would have a limit of how much you could have in your system. =/
Not that the majority of people purposely drive intoxicated. Being intoxicated and having traces of something in your system should be treated differently. If only they would have a limit of how much you could have in your system. =/
Demanufacturer
Bluelighter
Yeah of course, in the name of harm reduction its best to drive with a clear mind, which includes being well rested and free of prescription drugs but lets be honest here who the fuck wants to catch a taxi home after having a toke or two at a friends place.
They recently just began testing in the ACT the other day as well. I obviously have an agenda because i smoke and drive but i have two major problems with RDT
1) The logic behind the campaign is flawed and is a big waste of money in my opinion, see this presentation (gnarly photo on slide 5)
2) The fact that the time period for a positive result is so huge. Studies have shown any impairment is null after 3 - 4 hours of smoking.
Personally i know im gonna get blasted for saying this but i drive high all the time, I know my limits and if im blitzkrieged off some nice bud i'll wait a few hours before i get behind the wheel. The impairment whilst high is minimal imo and i think it is more psychological than physical, which in my case more than compensates for the fact because i generally drive slower and more cautious than when I'm sober
/endrant
on a side note, I'd be interested to know if edible marijuana would be picked up by the tests as the active ingredient is 11-hydroxy-thc rather than delta-9-thc?
They recently just began testing in the ACT the other day as well. I obviously have an agenda because i smoke and drive but i have two major problems with RDT
1) The logic behind the campaign is flawed and is a big waste of money in my opinion, see this presentation (gnarly photo on slide 5)
2) The fact that the time period for a positive result is so huge. Studies have shown any impairment is null after 3 - 4 hours of smoking.
Personally i know im gonna get blasted for saying this but i drive high all the time, I know my limits and if im blitzkrieged off some nice bud i'll wait a few hours before i get behind the wheel. The impairment whilst high is minimal imo and i think it is more psychological than physical, which in my case more than compensates for the fact because i generally drive slower and more cautious than when I'm sober
/endrant
on a side note, I'd be interested to know if edible marijuana would be picked up by the tests as the active ingredient is 11-hydroxy-thc rather than delta-9-thc?
Sober people also have difficulty fooling the super accurate tests. Don't worry though, the police have everything under control.
grugz
Bluelighter
Seriously? No need to glorify that. hope they catch you before u kill someone
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Bluelighter
How was that an attempt to glorify it?? ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
people are always trying to lump all drugs into the the one category, but the fact is they all have different effects, pros and cons. I can say with confidence weed vastly differs from from alcohol. I stated that (imho) marijuana's apparent impairment while driving is minimal, and (to me) is only noticeable at high doses, in which case i will wait a couple of hours before getting behind the wheel.
As for the other drugs i cant comment on amphetamines, however, i know mdma can physically and mentally impair you especially in terms of judgement and decision making. Personally I would be more concerned about the testing of Opiates and Benzodiazepines.
What I'm trying to get at is this campaign just seems to be another battle with the war on drugs to me. You dont see police doing random fatigue tests on the daily commute to work, yet tiredness has been proven to significantly reduce reaction times; as with texting and driving as well. If we wanted to greatly reduce accidents we could just lower all speed limits by 10-15km/ph, but that would cause time delays, and we all know time is money.
As cruel as it sounds there is always going to be an inherent risk when people are put in control of a big metal shell travelling many times faster than humans were ever meant to travel. I think the government can spend their time and money on better things.
All that being said, I don't condone taking unnecessary risks that could ruin somebody else's life i.e. don't drive fucked up
people are always trying to lump all drugs into the the one category, but the fact is they all have different effects, pros and cons. I can say with confidence weed vastly differs from from alcohol. I stated that (imho) marijuana's apparent impairment while driving is minimal, and (to me) is only noticeable at high doses, in which case i will wait a couple of hours before getting behind the wheel.
As for the other drugs i cant comment on amphetamines, however, i know mdma can physically and mentally impair you especially in terms of judgement and decision making. Personally I would be more concerned about the testing of Opiates and Benzodiazepines.
What I'm trying to get at is this campaign just seems to be another battle with the war on drugs to me. You dont see police doing random fatigue tests on the daily commute to work, yet tiredness has been proven to significantly reduce reaction times; as with texting and driving as well. If we wanted to greatly reduce accidents we could just lower all speed limits by 10-15km/ph, but that would cause time delays, and we all know time is money.
As cruel as it sounds there is always going to be an inherent risk when people are put in control of a big metal shell travelling many times faster than humans were ever meant to travel. I think the government can spend their time and money on better things.
All that being said, I don't condone taking unnecessary risks that could ruin somebody else's life i.e. don't drive fucked up
Whenever your considering roadside drug testing keep in mind that there is no .05 or the like.
There may be some leeway if levels are extremely low (which, correct me if I'm wrong was the case for the guy who was first busted for drug driving in Victoria, paraded in front of the papers and then acquitted) but nevertheless unfortunately because drugs are illegal the idea of being subjectively 'sober' whilst testing positive to a substance at a roadside drug test doesn't really fly in the eyes of the courts.
So far as actual times go, when I used to take pills on a semi-regular basis I recall being told by a TAC info guy at a festival to allow 24 hours before driving to 'guarantee' your clean. That said, whilst driving sober a close friend of mine was drug-tested and told that it can show up any drugs in the last 2 weeks. But I really doubt that.
There was also quite a interesting study carried out at Swinburne University that I remember reading that was studying positive readings after MDMA consumption ( I looked it up but couldn't find after a quick search). From memory around 70% or participants tested clean to Saliva tests at the 12 or 14 hour mark and around 85% at 24 hours, I think that it was in reference to a low dose though (sub 50 mg).
Not to go on a rant but unless community attitudes change in relation to illegal drugs there are still a sizeable majority of people who couldn't give a shit about how narrowly these tests and laws target people 'driving' on drugs and see these things in black and white. Moral of the story is if you really can't afford to have this on the record it's probably a idea to stay away from the wheel as long as you possibly can after having anything too fun. Obviously this isn't practical for daily smokers and the like, who I have nothing but sympathy for, but if you like the occasional upper and are able to allow the time it might be worth waiting a day or 2 (catch up on the sleepless nights in the back seat on the way back from a festival).
On a side not whilst I NEVER drove high, I sometimes felt for my peace of mind that using psychedelics in place of tested drugs on the last day of a festival that I would be driving home from the next day seemed to be a logical option.
There may be some leeway if levels are extremely low (which, correct me if I'm wrong was the case for the guy who was first busted for drug driving in Victoria, paraded in front of the papers and then acquitted) but nevertheless unfortunately because drugs are illegal the idea of being subjectively 'sober' whilst testing positive to a substance at a roadside drug test doesn't really fly in the eyes of the courts.
So far as actual times go, when I used to take pills on a semi-regular basis I recall being told by a TAC info guy at a festival to allow 24 hours before driving to 'guarantee' your clean. That said, whilst driving sober a close friend of mine was drug-tested and told that it can show up any drugs in the last 2 weeks. But I really doubt that.
There was also quite a interesting study carried out at Swinburne University that I remember reading that was studying positive readings after MDMA consumption ( I looked it up but couldn't find after a quick search). From memory around 70% or participants tested clean to Saliva tests at the 12 or 14 hour mark and around 85% at 24 hours, I think that it was in reference to a low dose though (sub 50 mg).
Not to go on a rant but unless community attitudes change in relation to illegal drugs there are still a sizeable majority of people who couldn't give a shit about how narrowly these tests and laws target people 'driving' on drugs and see these things in black and white. Moral of the story is if you really can't afford to have this on the record it's probably a idea to stay away from the wheel as long as you possibly can after having anything too fun. Obviously this isn't practical for daily smokers and the like, who I have nothing but sympathy for, but if you like the occasional upper and are able to allow the time it might be worth waiting a day or 2 (catch up on the sleepless nights in the back seat on the way back from a festival).
On a side not whilst I NEVER drove high, I sometimes felt for my peace of mind that using psychedelics in place of tested drugs on the last day of a festival that I would be driving home from the next day seemed to be a logical option.
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Bluelighter
Someone will take this and go "oh well he does it, why cant I?" Obviously they might not be as cautious as u. Idiots dont realise the diff between opinion and fact.
I agree this drug testing is flawed, and fatgue is major factor in accidents. The gov is only doing that because the general public like the sound of it and it another way to raise revenue.
and there are plently of idiots who got their licences from a cereal box. Im a motorcyclist so I already have enough trouble dodging idiot drivers, dun need more.
Also whyso defensive for, u said you were gona cop flak for it, so take it like a man.
Wait, how is drug testing another way to raise revenue?
In Victoria, the fine for a first time offence is $322. About one driver in 62 is caught. The tests have to cost next to nothing, and so would cop wages at 2am to raise revenue from this. I'm no mathematician, but I'd be willing to bet they're losing a lot of money on it. I think the main reasons for drug testing would have to be safety, and to make the conservatives feel warm and fuzzy knowing the roads are safe.
A speeding fine every 2.4 minutes in Victoria is what I consider revenue raising.
In Victoria, the fine for a first time offence is $322. About one driver in 62 is caught. The tests have to cost next to nothing, and so would cop wages at 2am to raise revenue from this. I'm no mathematician, but I'd be willing to bet they're losing a lot of money on it. I think the main reasons for drug testing would have to be safety, and to make the conservatives feel warm and fuzzy knowing the roads are safe.
A speeding fine every 2.4 minutes in Victoria is what I consider revenue raising.
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