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Hydromorphone to Kick Heroin

chemist63

chemist63

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Just curious if this has been talked about in the past. I did a search and I could not find much. Since hydro has such a short half-life, would it be possible to use it to possible ease your way out of using Heroin? I know hydo withdrawls are bad but not as long or as bad as heroin. Just seems to reason that is should work but I just wanted others opinions.

Thanks
 
Generally people want LONGER-acting drugs to ease them down, not shorter-acting ones. This is why drugs like buprenorphine and methadone are used for detox purposes. Its *possible* to use hydromorphone to detox, but practically speaking doesn't really have any advantages in doing so over heroin.
 
I would think a shorter acting drug would be the way to go because the withdrawl is not as bad. I have come off of hydo before and the withdrawls are insane but they only seem to last for a couple of days or so. You hear of people going weeks and even months coming off from other Opiates.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
Generally people want LONGER-acting drugs to ease them down, not shorter-acting ones. This is why drugs like buprenorphine and methadone are used for detox purposes. Its *possible* to use hydromorphone to detox, but practically speaking doesn't really have any advantages in doing so over heroin.
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^^^100% true fact.

Speaking from personal experience, buprenorphine is a GREAT choice and if you have the option of utilizing something like buprenorphine or methadone, you should absolutely go that route as opposed to going the hydromorphone route.
 
Hydromorphone will not work as a taper drug for heroin addiction. First of all, it's much more potent than heroin and second, it has a shorter half life.

Go get into a methadone or suboxone program, if you really want to kick you heroin habit.
 
^Seconded (and thirded). Methadone and Suboxone (buprenorphine) are much more effective, longer-acting drugs make it much easier to taper down and make the withdrawal syndrome much easier to deal with.

Part of hydromorphone's addictiveness comes from how short-acting it is. Bluelight has lots and lots of resources and great threads about using methadone or Suboxone for opiate withdrawal/detox/maintenance and people's experience with them. I myself am currently using buprenorphine as a maintenance drug and it has eliminated my cravings for other opiates.
 
chemist63 said:
I would think a shorter acting drug would be the way to go because the withdrawl is not as bad. I have come off of hydo before and the withdrawls are insane but they only seem to last for a couple of days or so. You hear of people going weeks and even months coming off from other Opiates.
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On the contrary, shorter acting opiates produce much harsher withdrawals than the long acting ones. The withdrawals from a short acting opiate like hydromorphone may not last as long but they will be much harder to deal with. The withdrawals from Hydromorphone and Heroin are both really bad. Ideally you want something like Methadone or Buprenorphine which have very long half-lives.

Currently I'm on Buprenorphine and it works well for my cravings. Withdrawals from it may last longer than Heroin but I promise you that they aren't nearly as bad.
 
Trying to get off H with hydromorphone is only going to make your habit worse, drain your bank and have you dosing at least twice as much as you do now…Especially if we are talking IV.

The rush from HM is…well….fucking amazing!!! In my opinion H almost does not even have a rush compared to HM. You will find yourself compulsively re-dosing due to the rush, and if you don’t you will start to get sick at the 3-6 hour mark rather than the 8-12 with H.

Its almost like trying to quit cocaine with crack…

Not going to work.

Go with bupe or done…or just CT.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
On the contrary, shorter acting opiates produce much harsher withdrawals than the long acting ones. The withdrawals from a short acting opiate like hydromorphone may not last as long but they will be much harder to deal with. The withdrawals from Hydromorphone and Heroin are both really bad. Ideally you want something like Methadone or Buprenorphine which have very long half-lives.
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That's not necessarily true. Methadone, which is a long-acting opioid, is known to have the worst and most severe opioid withdrawal syndrome. But of course, I do agree that methadone or bupe are better drugs for coming off of opiates.

Morphine/heroin are longer-acting drugs than hydromorphone, but withdrawals from morphine based drugs (heroin is a prodrug, so it's essentially morphine) tend to have more severe withdrawals. This includes morphines closest relatives - desomorphine, nicomorphine (which, like "heroin" is a salt of morphine - just like heroin is really "morphine diacetate", nicomorphine is "morphine dinicotinate", hydromorphinol, dihydromorphine, etc.
 
There is no way to use a stronger, shorter acting, more habitual drug for cessation of heroin.

That is going to make things worse. Most likely you will use hydro-morph until you score another bag.

This is like going from a grip, to a choke hold. You are just putting yourself in a harder situation to get out of.

The key is habit. The shorter the time in between uses, the more habitual it is. Therefore, hydromorphone is nearly 3 to 4 times more habitual than heroin. The opposite applies. Methadone is 3 to 4 times less habitual than heroin.

Why would you try to taper with a more habitual drug? It's severely counter productive.

There is no pacing yourself slowing down, as switching to hydromorphone is speeding up the pace, not slowing it down.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
There is no way to use a stronger, shorter acting, more habitual drug for cessation of heroin.

That is going to make things worse. Most likely you will use hydro-morph until you score another bag.

This is like going from a grip, to a choke hold. You are just putting yourself in a harder situation to get out of.

The key is habit. The shorter the time in between uses, the more habitual it is. Therefore, hydromorphone is nearly 3 to 4 times more habitual than heroin. The opposite applies. Methadone is 3 to 4 times less habitual than heroin.

Why would you try to taper with a more habitual drug? It's severely counter productive.

There is no pacing yourself slowing down, as switching to hydromorphone is speeding up the pace, not slowing it down.
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What exactly do you mean by "habitual"?
 
grrr8Dane said:
^^^100% true fact.

Speaking from personal experience, buprenorphine is a GREAT choice and if you have the option of utilizing something like buprenorphine or methadone, you should absolutely go that route as opposed to going the hydromorphone route.
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word i co sign this

go the bupe route... start with a lower dose...2mg maybe see what works for u
then taper so u dont get a bad habbit on that
 
kokaino said:
What exactly do you mean by "habitual"?
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As in the dosing regimen.

For instance, hydromorphone needs to be re dosed nearly three times more than heroin in a day, meaning it is more habitual. It can be addictive much faster.

The spacing in between the times of usage (The length of effects) is a big factor.

The more you have to use on a clockwork schedule, the harder and more torturous it is to quit.
 
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